Was Unohana Right? Let's Find Out. (GRACE)

[ReaperAndBlues]

This one is gonna be fun for sure. Post-Unohana Training Kenpachi takes on Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo.

Both start in base

This is FB Ichigo at his peak, the version that has experience fighting Yhwach, however he is fresh and does not have Blut.

Both are extremely competitive and want to win and will go all out to do so, but are not aiming to kill.

Battle takes place in Muken 10 meters away from each other.

Chibaku Tensei's Worst Nightmare:

Aizen's Science Fair Project: 7

Both call a truce and beat up Sasuke:

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Going with Ichigo lol. FRB

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Based on the profiles, Ichigo has higher AP and speed. I would vote for Ichigo, but both of them beating up Sasuke seems more fun. I vote Ichigo.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Just a reminder the two have the same AP in their 5-C keys once Kenny takes his eyepatch off

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Can't believe I forgot to ask this. Can Kenny use Bankai?

Just a reminder the two have the same AP in their 5-C keys once Kenny takes his eyepatch off

Do you mean the 133 exatons one? Ichigo can get higher with Black Getsuga and rage amp. But then again, the same is true for Kenpachi with his bankai.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Can't believe I forgot to ask this. Can Kenny use Bankai?

Yes.

Do you mean the 133 exatons one? Ichigo can get higher with Black Getsuga and rage amp. But then again, the same is true for Kenpachi with his bankai.

That one

 

[Woomica]

Very interesting but first:
Can kenpachi dura neg him with nozarashi,Whats the ap difference between the two at full power and is kenpachi like fully bloodlusted with bankai or is he just very ANGRY?

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Yes.

That one

Hmm. It's a much closer fight, then. They aren't bloodlusted right? So it's a high possibility that Kenpachi will not go all out against Ichigo immediately until Ichigo's Reactive Power Level kicks in and he gets stronger. Kenpachi can win if he goes Bankai as soon as possible, but otherwise I still think Ichigo wins. It'd be an awesome fight though. Wish they would do an OVA like episode where it happens.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Very interesting but first:
Can kenpachi dura neg him with nozarashi,Whats the ap difference between the two at full power and is kenpachi like fully bloodlusted with bankai or is he just very ANGRY?

Both are really competitive, so they want to win and are willing to use everything they have. However, they still are maintaining a level of sportsmanship, so they will not try to kill each other.

As for AP, in base they have equal AP, in terms of Fullbring Bankai vs Nozarashi with eyepatch on, Ichigo has a slight advantage at 133 vs Kenpachi's 113, but without eyepatch but no Nozarashi the two are the same, but both have further amps, Kenpachi with Nozarashi and no eyepatch + Bankai, and Ichigo with Getsuga Tenshou and rage amps.

 

[Woomica]

Both are really competitive, so they want to win and are willing to use everything they have. However, they still are maintaining a level of sportsmanship, so they will not try to kill each other.

As for AP, in base they have equal AP, in terms of Fullbring Bankai vs Nozarashi with eyepatch on, Ichigo has a slight advantage at 133 vs Kenpachi's 113, but without eyepatch but no Nozarashi the two are the same, but both have further amps, Kenpachi with Nozarashi and no eyepatch + Bankai, and Ichigo with Getsuga Tenshou and rage amps.

I see,however this sportmanship thing will likely dissapear once kenpachi uses bankai,anyway i still believe ichigo can win with bankai,range with getsuga and slightly better skills? Idk skill page for kenpachi since he only swings sword strong,and if he uses bankai he is gonna turn into mindless beast so ichigo can clutch up with skill and range
Ill vote ichigo

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I see,however this sportmanship thing will likely dissapear once kenpachi uses bankai,anyway i still believe ichigo can win with bankai,range with getsuga and slightly better skills? Idk skill page for kenpachi since he only swings sword strong,and if he uses bankai he is gonna turn into mindless beast so ichigo can clutch up with skill and range
Ill vote ichigo

Well, I did give Ichigo the experiece of fighting Yhwach, but tbh Kenpachi's page is in dire need of unfucking. He's actually one of the most skilled Gotei 13 members and scales above every captain except Yamaji, but Ichigo probably edges him out considering he dueled Yhwach who gave Yamamoto his toughest direct battle.

Also counted

 

[GOATMAN1232000]

Idk skill page for kenpachi since he only swings sword strong,and if he uses bankai he is gonna turn into mindless beast so ichigo can clutch up with skill and range

Kenpachi is plenty skilled. As a kid he handily won against Unohana and he eventually regained that during his fight against Unohana. imo, Ichigo and Kenpachi have similar enough skill level for it to not matter.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Skill here is a pretty important factor considering the two are basically BEEG SLASH merchants compared to the rest of the verse. Ichigo might have an edge here due to analytical prediction and how he mastered multiple weapons that operate vastly different instantaneously (his OG Bankai which is a traditional katana and his FB Bankai which is a nodachi.) But in terms of chains, Unohana's statement of fighting Ichigo equally does play a significant role consideeing she stated this after Ichigo got his ass beat by Yhwach, also the flashback implied that Kenpachi can contend with base Yhwach too.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ichigo wouldn't drag the fight longer unlike Kenpachi. Especially when he knows how Kenny fights. So I would rather bet on him ending the fight sooner or atleast landing critical blows.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Bump. Should I bloodlust?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'd guess Ichigo can take it via skill. He's about as good with swords but he's actually got more experience against valid enemies, and he has martial arts skill as well.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I'd guess Ichigo can take it via skill. He's about as good with swords but he's actually got more experience against valid enemies, and he has martial arts skill as well.

Well, Kenpachi had taken Uno in a 1v1 and without mental nerfs dueled her in Bankai and was superior, so skill isn't a massive wincon here, but considering Ichigo also has accelerated development and RPL, he'd grow to eventually fight him above his paygrade.

I'll count it because of it still being relevant. We need someone arguing for Kenpachi here, I'm kinda neutral.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Well, Kenpachi had taken Uno in a 1v1 and without mental nerfs dueled her in Bankai and was superior, so skill isn't a massive wincon here, but considering Ichigo also has accelerated development and RPL, he'd grow to eventually fight him above his paygrade.

Kenpachi was stronger than Unohana, whereas he and Ichigo are comparable. Skill is not irrelevant.

I'll count it because of it still being relevant. We need someone arguing for Kenpachi here, I'm kinda neutral.

Well, Kenpachi is even better at taking hits than Ichigo is. He has a shot at outlasting Ichigo.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Kenpachi was stronger than Unohana, whereas he and Ichigo are comparable. Skill is not irrelevant.

I only said it wasn't a huge wincon, not that it wasn't a wincon. Neither have the capacity to skillstomp each other. Ichigo's would be noticable, but not outright to the point where he would f*ckin Mihawk him. Plus Unohana's statement of fighting Ichigo still holds value to his skills. Personally I believe Ichigo has an advantage, enough to be a slight issue for Kenny, but not enough to wall him.

Well, Kenpachi is even better at taking hits than Ichigo is. He has a shot at outlasting Ichigo.

Idk, both are pretty comparable in endurance. In terms of pure fighting time, Ichigo is better by a long shot because of his 3 month feat, but Kenpachi's pain tolerance might edge out Ichigo a little bit with his feat of still being able to fight the Bambis after Gremmy. Combined with Kenpachi's superior IR, this could be a problem for Ichigo.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Also, don't they both have accelerated development?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Also, don't they both have accelerated development?

For some f**king reason Kenpachi doesn't

 

[Random-Helper323]

For some f**king reason Kenpachi doesn't

Kenpachi and Toshiro should both have it, along with literally everyone who jumps power ranks in under a year with regular training. That includes Ichigo, Chad, Uryu, Orihime, Kenpachi, Toshiro, Ginjo, and more. Kenpachi's boost between the Blood War and novel seems like plenty of evidence of accelerated development, even if we pretend his acquisition of Bankai right after attaining Shikai wasn't evidence of that.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Kenpachi and Toshiro should both have it, along with literally everyone who jumps power ranks in under a year with regular training. That includes Ichigo, Chad, Uryu, Orihime, Kenpachi, Toshiro, Ginjo, and more. Kenpachi's boost between the Blood War and novel seems like plenty of evidence of accelerated development, even if we pretend his acquisition of Bankai right after attaining Shikai wasn't evidence of that.

For f**ks sake, he soloed hundreds of criminals and fought Unohana to the death and lived to tell the tale, as a kid. In ONE session of training with Yamamoto to learn Kendo, Central 46 had to shut that shit down in fear of his potential power in learning formal swordsmanship.

 

[Random-Helper323]

For f**ks sake, he soloed hundreds of criminals and fought Unohana to the death and lived to tell the tale, as a kid. In ONE session of training with Yamamoto to learn Kendo, Central 46 had to shut that shit down in fear of his potential power in learning formal swordsmanship.

Not to mention he learned enough in that one lesson to use the stance to amplify his strike immensely. Even if he makes it sound childishly simple, he actually mastered both the strike and the improved channelling of his energy through it, in mere hours if not less.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Don't think kenpachi would want to kill ichigo anyway since he actually likes ichigo

Regardless, Kenpachi enjoys a good match as wholesome daughter Yachiru thanks Ichigo for another good match for Kenny FRA (Ichigo FRA)

 

[Random-Helper323]

Don't think kenpachi would want to kill ichigo anyway since he actually likes ichigo

I actually think Kenpachi's entire reputation as a ruthless killer is questionable given he tends to let his enemies live, and many of the people he killed in the past attacked him first.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Bump

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Bump

Ow.......

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Bump

 

[Black-san112]

insanely wild that kenny doesnt have accelerated development, but yeah i feel like ichigo got the slight edge here so ichigo FRA

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Welp, I'll finish up with an Ichigo FRA and enter grace