Vivec should be at least 2-B

[Phantasys]

Was reading through profiles and realized that Vivec's on a lower tier than Azura (whom he roflstomped).

During his trial he manipulated the judges to summon her, then he used CHIM to forcibly drag all of her essence to Mundus and rammed his spear down her throat.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec

You could also move him to over 2-A as he's 4th on Michael Kirkbride's top ten most powerful beings list while Auri-El (Akatosh) is only 7th.

On that note you should probably move Talos up to definitely 2-A then.

 

[Phantasys]

Hello? Vivec T 2-B+? ...Anyone?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Except didn't you say CHIM is hax? If that is the case, it would not make Vivec more powerful in a direct sense.

Auri-El is 1-C though, and I'm pretty doubtful Vivec is higher dimensional.

 

[Phantasys]

Except didn't you say CHIM is hax? If that is the case, it would not make Vivec more powerful in a direct sense.
Auri-El is 1-C though, and I'm pretty doubtful Vivec is higher dimensional.

Sheoth said it's not hax per say. It's essentially reality warping to an infinite level. Also are you sure you're not confusing Auri-El with Anui-El? Auri-El's just another name for Akatosh...or rather the other way around as Akatosh came later.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Still doesn't sound like outright destructive power, just that his abilities can take down much tougher enemies.

Most likely, the names are so similar I couldn't really tell a difference at that moment.

 

[Phantasys]

Still doesn't sound like outright destructive power, just that his abilities can take down much tougher enemies.
Most likely, the names are so similar I couldn't really tell a difference at that moment.

In that case why don't you just downgrade him all the way to T 6-5 then? The 2-C Vivec is only due to CHIM in the first place.

 

[The_Everlasting]

If he's only that level due to reality warping, perhaps he should.

 

[Phantasys]

If he's only that level due to reality warping, perhaps he should.

Soo...can we do it then? Sheoth wanted me to as for permission from one of these threads before doing it.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Perhaps, but a few more opinions would be nice.

 

[Phantasys]

So what...do I wait for people to come comment on this?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Yes.

 

[Sheoth]

If he did murderstomp Azura who is 2-B (and is one of the stronger princes), then he should definitely be upgraded.

If someone achieves CHIM, then they free themselves from the limitations the cosmos places on them and gain unreal power. It also means that all CHIM users are equal.

For example if a random Nord achieves CHIM, he would be just as powerful as Vivec or Tiber Septim who achieved it, since their prior power and abilities are basically overwritten by the power CHIM grants since it is astronomically greater than any previous power one could have (like Vivec ROFLstomping Azura).

It wouldn't be right to call it hax because it isn't simply some random ability that someone can use to gain an unfair advantage; it basically gives you limitless (Elder Scrolls wise) power to do with as you see fit, and that power changes your entire being not limited to a single use of any kind.

So no, CHIM isn't hax and I think Vivec should be upgraded. But of course, I don't unilaterally decide major tier-jumps like this so we will await more input.

(sorry if my explanation sounds somewhat gibberish, I am very tired)

EDIT: When I say he should be upgraded, I mean to 2-B. 2-A would be nice and all and is certainly possible regarding the schematics of CHIM, but the only rationale for this upgrade is because Vivec ranks high on Kirkbrides personal list, which shouldn't be viewed with complete acceptance.

 

[Darkness552]

im fine with Sheoth's suggestion

 

[Sheoth]

Bump

Anyone disagree?

 

[Kavpeny]

Sorry, I know barely anything about the franchise. Based on what I'm seeing though, CHIM is indeed a hax, as it is quite obviously capable of power duplication, and subsequent power transference.

I agree with upgrading to 2-B, but I would prefer that a proper explanation (aka, only via power duplication, and subsequent power transference) be added in the Attack Potency section.

Any other opinions?

 

[Phantasys]

Okay so can an admin go change the Vivec page then? Sorry about the semi-necro. I was blocked for two weeks for "inserting false information" and was given no warnings or an example of my supposed wrongdoing.

 

[Kavpeny]

@Sheoth: Since I don't know enough about the franchise, and you apparently do, I think it would be far more suitable for you to make the necessary stat edits, along with the necessary explanation.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Lord Kavpeny

He's currently busy with school work, so we'll have to wait until tomorrow. Just letting you know Kav.

 

[Kavpeny]

@The Everlasting: Ah yes, of course. His notice on Antvasima's wall. Sorry, it slipped my mind. Well, I do believe we can wait for another day for Sheoth to make the edit.

 

[Phantasys]

Okay...is anyone going to make Vivec 2-B?

 

[Sheoth]

Okay...is anyone going to make Vivec 2-B?

Sorry, I will get on it.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Agree

 

[Dragonite007]

Wow! a 9 years Necro

 

[KLOL506]

@KingTempest close this 9-year-old necro

 

[KingTempest]

Buns done