Vinsmoke Sanji VS Charlotte Katakuri (15-6-0)

[XDragnoir]

(KATAKURI HAS NO ARGUMENT)

Can someone sum up Katakuri's arguments?

I wouldn't go as far as to say Kata's side has no arguments here, but most of the arguments here do seem to forget that Kata had the advantage in ap, dura and fs and was fighting "equally" with Snakeman (who is >1Gt iirc) so Kata fighting "equally" with someone with worse FS is a canon thing and here he doesn't even have the AP advantage, or that the speed of his awakening (i.e the thing he is supposed to use to get the canister from Sanji) was useless against base Luffy after taking a beating pre and post lunch time, and before someone says "he wasn't using FS", since when FS was a speed amp? It surely makes it harder but then Sanji has his own FS and Flight to help wear it (and no, Base Luffy isn't faster than Sanji).

Sure, without the RS it's a 50/50 as Sanji would need to evolve mid battle to win, but with all the advantages the RS gives to him (removing the speed gap if any, enough dura to tank PDs unharmed and invisibility) and the fact getting the canister from Sanji is very unlikely, the battle is a 70/30 for Sanji without a doubt.

 

[Nierre]

Changing my vote to Sanji fra

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Kata's side has no arguments here, but most of the arguments here do seem to forget that Kata had the advantage in ap, dura and fs and was fighting "equally" with Snakeman (who is >1Gt iirc) so Kata fighting "equally" with someone with worse FS is a canon thing and here he doesn't even have the AP advantage, or that the speed of his awakening (i.e the thing he is supposed to use to get the canister from Sanji) was useless against base Luffy after taking a beating pre and post lunch time, and before someone says "he wasn't using FS", since when FS was a speed amp? It surely makes it harder but then Sanji has his own FS and Flight to help wear it (and no, Base Luffy isn't faster than Sanji).

Sure, without the RS it's a 50/50 as Sanji would need to evolve mid battle to win, but with all the advantages the RS gives to him (removing the speed gap if any, enough dura to tank PDs unharmed and invisibility) and the fact getting the canister from Sanji is very unlikely, the battle is a 70/30 for Sanji without a doubt.

This is convincing, I voting sanji.

 

[Nierre]

Agreed.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Kata's side has no arguments here, but most of the arguments here do seem to forget that Kata had the advantage in ap, dura and fs and was fighting "equally" with Snakeman (who is >1Gt iirc) so Kata fighting "equally" with someone with worse FS is a canon thing and here he doesn't even have the AP advantage, or that the speed of his awakening (i.e the thing he is supposed to use to get the canister from Sanji) was useless against base Luffy after taking a beating pre and post lunch time, and before someone says "he wasn't using FS", since when FS was a speed amp? It surely makes it harder but then Sanji has his own FS and Flight to help wear it (and no, Base Luffy isn't faster than Sanji).

Sure, without the RS it's a 50/50 as Sanji would need to evolve mid battle to win, but with all the advantages the RS gives to him (removing the speed gap if any, enough dura to tank PDs unharmed and invisibility) and the fact getting the canister from Sanji is very unlikely, the battle is a 70/30 for Sanji without a doubt.

Very convincing. I am a kata fan but this is a good argument, all the other arguments for sanji above were pretty trash, but this is good. Sanji FRA.

 

[KingTempest]

Well said XDragnoir

 

[KobsterHope07]

Someone should redo the votes. I believe Grace has already passed

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Wtf... So the you humans vote off of a good argument? This some bs... Just use your brain

 

[KingTempest]

Someone should redo the votes. I believe Grace has already passed

Hasn't passed yet, the votes have been too close for it to have even started

 

[Eminiteable]

Someone should redo the votes. I believe Grace has already passed

I've updated them.

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah now Grace has started

 

[XDragnoir]

With the fact that Luffy didn't really get to finish Katakuri during their battle in mind, i think this and this do summarize what just happened in this thread perfectly.

It seems that "Sanji's cookin' (with Puddin'), Chopper's doctoring Katakuri" was right after all.

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeesh, Katakuri really got powercrept fast.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Yeesh, Katakuri really got powercrept fast.

Fast? This was the sanji in the same damn arc bruuuuh.

 

[KingTempest]

Next time tell Oda to not make a statement like "most durable out of all the Charlotte siblings" for someone who scales directly to Sanji

 

[XDragnoir]

Next time tell Oda to not make a statement like "most durable out of all the Charlotte siblings" for someone who scales directly to Sanji

With my FS (which is slightly worse than Kata's as well) i am seeing a "Paypay/Queen is the most durable of the Beast Pirates excluding Kaido himself" statement incoming (but seriously, Queen has a real chance of getting that being a calamity, cyborg and robust dino all at the same time)

 

[KingTempest]

With my FS (which is slightly worse than Kata's as well) i am seeing a "Paypay/Queen is the most durable of the Beast Pirates excluding Kaido himself" statement incoming (but seriously, Queen has a real chance of getting that being a calamity, cyborg and robust dino all at the same time)

Wouldn't be too farfetched tbh

 

[DiedrichYagami]

Next time tell Oda to not make a statement like "most durable out of all the Charlotte siblings" for someone who scales directly to Sanji

It refers to Oven, right? Then he should be at 6-C because he is above Cracker whom is at 6-C .

But this would put Oven above his brother which is a Sweet Commander while he isn't, he is kinda contradictory.

Also, changing my vote to Sanji FRA.

 

[KingTempest]

It refers to Oven, right? Then he should be at 6-C because he is above Cracker whom is at 6-C .

But this would put Oven above his brother which is a Sweet Commander while he isn't, he is kinda contradictory.

Also, changing my vote to Sanji FRA.

Cracker's Dura isn't 6-C, only his AP is

 

[DiedrichYagami]

Cracker's Dura isn't 6-C, only his AP is

oops, my mistake, sorry.

 

[Eminiteable]

Seems grace has finished, I'll add this match to the profiles.