Eminiteable
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Like Tempest posted before, Sanji's future sight seems to be better than Katakuri's:
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Okay, you need to read and stop trying to make your illiteracy into some kind of head-canon. That's what is "annoying", especially when you're trying to shut others up instead of admitting you are wrong. That's immature and unacceptable in any debate.Stop. Being. Annoying. He is talking about sanji as well.
Where have I said that Sanji is an order of magnitude lower than Katakuri?Katakuri didn't develop anything in his fight with Luffy not even while under pressure from G4 or R2 when both were hitting each other, i also want to know what would Kata even upgrade in his haki to begin with, i am only saying Sanji may increase his FS and learn to use hardening from fighting Kata (similar to Luffy only learning Hao coating after seeing it and being hit by it), and i am only saying Sanji may get Hardening not Edged Haki, i am not even saying he may upgrade DJ as it was hinted vs Judge.
So Luffy was able to keep up with Kata while having inferior Future Sight? That's what you are saying? Because Sanji has FS from the get go and can further increase it during their fight, if Luffy who just awakened FS and never got to Kata's level was able to keep up why Sanji wouldn't?
Okay? I guess we agree here, but stats and FS to keep up would save Sanji from an attack from all angles.
I think when you say "effectiveness" you mean the "power null" buso has against "body type" paramecias, right? Why would it be any less effective here? Iirc we accept all levels of buso to be able to null body types.
You say all that as if Sanji was dozens of times weaker than Round 1 Luffy, who was able to keep up and transform even while having inferior speed, ap, dura and kenbu than Kata or even Sanji for most of those, will it be easy to wear the RS? Hell no, is it impossible? No as well, Luffy transformed in the very middle of an attack from many different angles, Sanji's best strategy to wear the RS will be using his flight and running away if it really comes to it (and it's now that you guys remember Kata's travel speed isn't good and his range isn't infinite).
First, Sanji isn't orders of magnitude slower than Katakuri even if he is indeed slower, i mean it's a rel+ attack, the distance between them means nothing to an attack that fast, second, P1 was having a hard time reacting to Sanji's attacks that used the speed boosters even tho he could keep up with Sanji otherwise, i have no problem with sanji < kata, but RS < Kata makes no sense. Other than that Kata will have to waste a lot of haki to block RS's attacks or take damage because the pseudo-logia trick isn't going to work forever, it didn't against someone with inferior Kenbu (when compared to Kata's) as we see when Luffy started to use his FS with SM, at that point Kata himself choose for his Buso instead of the pseudo-logia. And as i said before the RS is a higher buff for Dura than Kata's haki and it needs no energy or concentretation to use at all.
Sanji has never been stated on in the manga to be capable of future on sight on Katakuri's or Luffy's level.Like Tempest posted before, Sanji's future sight seems to be better than Katakuri's:
The databooks and manga do not support this what-so-ever. And in that same link you posted, I've already debunked the opinionated reasoning for people wanting to suggest Sanji > Kata in FS (And no one actually tried to argue against it... fancy that). There's absolutely nothing there to imply Sanji's FS is comparable to Katakuri's, let alone equal.Like Tempest posted before, Sanji's future sight seems to be better than Katakuri's:
How am I trying to shut others up when this is literally what you said...Okay, you need to read and stop trying to make your illiteracy into some kind of head-canon. That's what is "annoying", especially when you're trying to shut others up instead of admitting you are wrong. That's immature and unacceptable in any debate.
No, sheesh, are you trolling right now? Really? He's referring to Luffy coming out of the cake.
Stop.If that's too much for you, step down, else I recommend we get some moderation in here. This reaction is ridiculous.
Saying sanji got better sensory abilities but weaker future sight is head Canon ... Anyway... Isn't there a statement on sanji winning the observation haki battle and using future sight?We've also already established Kenbun Future-sight is linear and multiple possibilities can not be seen. Sanji's got superior sensory abilities anyways, so he definitely sensed the bloodlust around him (Katakuri knowing the priest would fail because Sanji would dodge, and then Sanji dodging Katakuri's attack as well). Even if Sanji used FS to see the attack coming, he had a lot more lee-way given the distance the bean had to travel.
He is also referring to Sanji...Big Mom asking about Pudding, and Katakuri telling her to forget about that:
- He's telling her to forget about the Pudding stuff because something else is happening. "The situation is unpredictable". He's saying the enemy have done something unthinkable. He then goes on to say "There's no way to stop it", and then we see the cake destroyed from the inside.
Him saying the situation is unpredictable has nothing to do with how much they planned.Katakuri can only see a few seconds into the future. He can not predict the enemy plan that was constructed literal hours before the wedding.
Speed isn't a wincon for anyone unless it's by a huge margin, orders of magnitude was an hyperbole by my part but you have been implying Kata's speed are a huge advantage to his side when no one here does reliably take the edge in this stat.Where have I said that Sanji is an order of magnitude lower than Katakuri?
I've merely pointed out his speed is inferior, as it seems many people are trying to said Sanji outspeeds (and outdamage) Katakuri due to RS amps.
"Luffy's level" as if Luffy was a master of it, he isn't at WCI and probably isn't even right now, the best you can say is that Luffy used it more times but both him and Sanji are at the level of "started to use it".Sanji has never been stated on in the manga to be capable of future on sight on Katakuri's or Luffy's level.
He reacted to a jelly bean being aimed at his head. That's nothing special. It doesn't even 100% require vision of the future since dodging projectiles is a thing Luffy could do before he gained future sight.
I mean, the best would be to ask him before counting it then, but as he said "chopper is doctoring Katakuri" i guess he means Kata will be defeated and need a doctor, you know.I couldn't really tell
@Eminiteable You forgot to include this vote in the OPKata fra
Grace requires at least a 3 vote differenceBtw, Grace started with LGamer's post, and since the numbers seem to be 8/7 currently it will likely end in inconclusive anyway.
Because of the databook thing and makes no sense he is talking about anything else being unpredictableAlso Monkey.
How in the hell was he talking about Sanji?
Only thing unpredictable about Sanji was him not getting dimed in the head by a jelly bean.Because of the databook thing and makes no sense he is talking about anything else being unpredictable
Saying it's only cause of Sanji is just wrong
Because big mom literally asked what happened to pudding situation and he said forget that, this situation is unpredictable... He mostly talked about sanji... But also the cake as well.
wouldn't two 7s start it under the "equally constructive posts for both sides"?Grace requires at least a 3 vote difference
Besides the fact that other than the incredulity, the posts aren't really "constructive" and half the people voted because of "Kata kenbun gg" even though the fact that nothing points towards Katakuri having better anything is hilarious.wouldn't two 7s start it under the "equally constructive posts for both sides"?
He talked about the entire scenario with Pudding having an emotional breakdown, the priest getting hit, etc.Because big mom literally asked what happened to pudding situation and he said forget that, this situation is unpredictable... He mostly talked about sanji... But also the cake as well.
This is Onigashima raid Sanji, not the one before.Wait... Isn't sanji observation haki in wano> wano luffy who is = katakuri
Thank you, I've added their vote.@Eminiteable You forgot to include this vote in the OP
This Sanji is > luffy In observation haki who is = to kataLate Whole Cake island Saga to Early Wano Kuni Saga Sanji is being used
Where is this stated?This Sanji is > luffy In observation haki
Don’t understand the context tho… linkWhere is this stated?
thanks for making the gif better monkey
I'm about to, cause all I'm seeing is "Kata wins because someone else said he wins and idk the reason but it's Kata so gg"
It was.I couldn't really tell