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Sleep Manip lasts for a few seconds and apparently Dante has resurrection anyway. Besides, I'm pretty sure we had a thread for characters only having one possible ability to win not counting as a wincon.
 
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Hank vs Ping Pong Paddle

And

Phoenix vs Ping Ping Paddle

Ping Pong has Mid regen. They ain't bypassing that ever. Nuff said.


Hank vs TTT. This isn't a stomp or anything. But it entirely glossed over anything hank could actually do. Saying TTT could handle anything hank could throw at him, which simply wasn't true. It was a barely 2 times power gap, and hank had a piercing weapon, plus preparation. His knowledge on hunting as well wasn't really considered. Saying he typically fights humans, when he also does enjoy hunting animals. I think a Rematch is necessary and the old one removed.

Hank vs Freddy, I was told for this one to be brought here since Hank has like a 5 times gap, massive strength edge, Skills, and his arsenal all over Freddy.
 
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Shrek vs Grug needs to be removed as it's a stomp for Shrek

Shrek is, what, a megajoule? Grug is calcless, thus rendering him baseline, and he lacks any sort of ability to do jack to Shrek, so he gets slapped, plain and simple. Ad nothing is stopping Shrek from using fearhax or farting, both of which are very in-character for him
 

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This should be removed from both profiles, or re-done. Yujiro is now vastly above 15 kilotons in base and vastly above 65 kilotons in DB.
 

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His match against Kaneki should be removed as well

On top of this, Sea King is also outdated.
 

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I removed it.

The Deep Sea King matches and a Kaneki match were already removed; I removed the others.
 
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Overlord775 said:
Marisa's lost to Goku should be removed
Goku's AP advantage here is massive, as he's superior to his self who fought a Jiren showing a hint of hos power, which is masivelly above his supresssed self, who is superior to Infinite Zamsu, which is already above baseline Low 2-C thanks to his feat

Marisa can at best only scratch him with her attacks since she's only baseline

also, if Goku come close to being defeated, he might just turn UI and instantly wreck Marisa since that forms scales to the GoD's immesurably in to Low 2-C feat.

So, Goku eventually just knocks her out.

same applies to Pops's loss to Goku

Sama applies here, but worse since Pops has no survivability.

Pops is baseline, Goku one shots Jenna's loss against Goku should be removed too dout to being outdated, as it was made in 2017, when Goku didn't even have different keys for the different his power levels trought DBS

also, she's not even baseline, but powered by a Low 2-C source

Utsuho's match against Goku should be also removed as swell.

Goku's win condition in this match was litterally befriending her, which isn't a win condiction he could achive since he lacks any kind of social influancing abiity

also, the people in this match forgot that she could go "lolgetatomized" at any point, which she would have the chance to do since she has Low-Godly regen, and that the radiation from being right next to a star is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being in space, so Goku's resistance is not good enought to not get radiation sickness.
 
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Buttersamuri said:
Hank vs Ping Pong Paddle

And

Phoenix Wright vs Ping Ping Paddle

Ping Pong has Mid Regenerationn. They ain't bypassing that ever. Nuff said.


Hank vs TTT. This isn't a stomp or anything. But it entirely glossed over anything hank could actually do. Saying TTT could handle anything hank could throw at him, which simply wasn't true. It was a barely 2 times power gap, and hank had a piercing weapon, plus preparation. His knowledge on hunting as well wasn't really considered. Saying he typically fights humans, when he also does enjoy hunting animals. The reason that we're put simply weren't valid. Being barely weaker and a piercing weapon Plus prep, he could definitely do damage. I think a Rematch is necessary and the old one removed.

Hank vs Freddy, I was told for this one to be brought here since Hank has like a 5 times gap, massive strength edge, Skills, and his arsenal all over Freddy. And Freddy had like. Nothing.
 

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I left the second match alone because your issue are solvable by a rematch. I rempved they other matches.

I removed the match.
 
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a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind.

the page says that it is even better than deconstruction.....how exactly can someone resist a advanced version of hax but fail to weaker version of same hax? thanos snap only destroys the physical body into dust while hakai destroys it leaving nothing behind even the soul.....and somehow goku can resist hakai but not thanos snap????where is the logic.....the common sense?
 

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Deconstruction of matter is Matter basef, EE is hax based

Then again, a heavily weakened Hakai that was caught and weaker by Frieza would have killed Goku if Beerus didn't save him, so his EE is resistance is useless
 
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Gumball does. We made note a long while back about removing it when he got the mid regen buff. It just never got removed. And kinda forgot about it
 
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Schnee One said:
Deconstruction of matter is Matter basef, EE is hax based
they are both one shot hax who destroy the body directly.....why would a version who does something more be treated differently

and goku resist it for a while but it was a better hax nothing proves goku would die
 

Schnee_One

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Incorrect

EE is a spiritual based ability that affects your body in soul.

Matter based directly affects the atoms physically and splits them apart

<Nothing proves Goku would die

Are we even watching the same episode? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dlpDWZUSMfU

Goku is struggling trying to hold it back and has to go into his stronger forms in order to stop a severely weakened Hakai from killing him

Matter based and EE based are separate and even if it wasn't Goku's resistance isn't good enough anyway.
 
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2747577

Chelshia vs. Joseph Joestar. With Joseph's tommy gun and clackers he outranges by far and Chelshia can't compete with that, apparently Hamon is just so deadly that even being close to it is enough to get you to be pretty dead meaning that Chelshia literally cannot get close without being haxed, Joseph oneshots with hamon, is far smarter and had quite a bit more stamina and I can't find a way Chelshia could actually win this
 
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Bill vs Yukari needs to be removed. This match was heavily flawed.

Bill's in character move is Transmutation via a snap of his fingers, yet in the thread some people argued that Yukari resists Transmutation and even Sleep Inducement even though she doesn't. She only resists Illusions and Mind Manipulation. Nowhere does it say she resists Transmutation and Sleep Inducement.

Edit: How does Low-Godly counter being turned into tapestry?

Sleep Manipulation is not a subpower of Mind Manipulation. Its a status effect which is something she does not resist.
 
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Trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly Regen

Sleep Manipulation is a considered subpower of mind manipulation unless the power is shown to work thorught a different way
 
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Overlord775 said:
Trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly Regen
Sleep Manipulation is a considered subpower of mind manipulation unless the power is shown to work thorught a different way
Sleep Manipulation = / = Mind Hax. At least most fictions doesn't portray it this way
 
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Overlord775 said:
@Gilad
The most common form if Sleep Manipulation is hypnosis-based tho
It doesn't mean it's actually hypnosis. Also, even if it was, Bill's sleep hax is not hypnosis based so it's not dependant on mind hax either way
 
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it's mind hax because it manipulates the mind, which since it's not done though sleep powder or status effect inducement or any other uncoventional metod, it's blocked by mind resistance

Also, Yuraki is way more likely to just go LOLBoundary before he uses it anyway
 

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Overlord775 said:
Trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly Regen

Sleep Manipulation is a considered subpower of mind manipulation unless the power is shown to work thorught a different way
Isn't Sleep Manip more of a stamina drain?
 
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Overlord775 said:
it's mind hax because it manipulates the mind, which since it's not done though sleep powder or status effect inducement or any other uncoventional metod, it's blocked by mind resistance
Also, Yuraki is way more likely to just go LOLBoundary before he uses it anyway
Bill literally starts with a snap that either transmutates or sleep haxes, so he will use it as first move unless she uses her instant LOLBoundary immediately too
 
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@Schee

Varies

@Gilas

Or petrifies or uses the deconstruction laser, which are also in-character moves for him to start with.

Yukari's first move is to boundary hax an opponent as far as i remember, which is also thought based

also, trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly regen as i already stated
 
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Overlord775 said:
@Gilas

also, trasmutation is counted by Low-Godly regen as i already stated
If Bill manages to transmutate, the target becomes unconscious, so reverting back from it won't happen unless she have sleep hax resistance
 
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That's not sleep hax, that's just what being turned to stone does to a body

Yukari can just make a new body with her incorporeal mind or just boundary hax him
 
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Overlord775 said:
That's not sleep hax, that's just what being turned to stone does to a body
Yukari can just make a new body with her incorporeal mind or just boundary hax him
Again, how can she do it if she's not conscious? The mind would remain, but if she's not conscious she just won't be able to do it. You need resistance to be knocked unconscious magically (example, Discord, who actually battled Bill) But that's derailing so I'll stop now. If you want to debate about it, then move it to the thread
 

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Bill doesn't have a default power to use.

He is not once put in a positions where he fights someone he doesn't know personally, and above that most of his ability uses are specifically done due to this knowledge.

He talks and is mock shocked against Time Baby, after which he just blasts it to death. When about to be erased he shot a laser that wasn't even wide enough to hit Dipper and Sixer.

He transforms the people that should make the ritual to kill him to have them as trophies... or flags, in this case. He makes a golden statue out of sixer because he needs him alive.

He just blasts back Dipper with a forcefield and burns his books for no real reason. He incapacitated and put Mabel in a bubble where anything she wants comes true for no real non-metal reason.

He tried to physically charge both Mabel and Dipper and the Shacketron for no peculiar reason.

And so on and on. He certainly isn't prone to taking others seriously tough. He almost always either listens to what others tell him, or either says or acts out something (he pretty much talked oret people try to do something every time he got in a fight).
 

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Regardless, a rematch would be best. It's quiet an old thread and many of the reasonings there still didn't work.
 
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Ricsi-viragosi said:
Bill doesn't have a default power to use.
He is not once put in a positions where he fights someone he doesn't know personally, and above that most of his ability uses are specifically done due to this knowledge.
Because Bill doesn't have a default move, the general consensus is that he starts with what he uses the most, otherwise matches with Bill would be impossible due to that reason. Bill uses transmutation multiple time and is actually very likely to use it on any foe who isn't useful to Bill (he kept the Pines only because he needed them, and he was arrogant mostly against the Pines as well since he knew they're so much weaker than him and couldn't POSSIBLY defeat him (and we know how that turned out))
 
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@Gilas

if It can affect her incorporeal mind it's mind hax, so it's resisted

if isn't mind hax it can't affect her incorporeal mind
 

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Gilad Hyperstar said:
Because Bill doesn't have a default move, the general consensus is that he starts with what he uses the most, otherwise matches with Bill would be impossible due to that reason. Bill uses transmutation multiple time and is actually very likely to use it on any foe who isn't useful to Bill (he kept the Pines only because he needed them, and he was arrogant mostly against the Pines as well since he knew they're so much weaker than him and couldn't POSSIBLY defeat him (and we know how that turned out))
That is not justification for giving him a personality he doesn't have.

He never gets in a fight and just snaps, ever, so you can't say he'll do that if not bloodlusted.

Looking at how he reacted to normal humans, completely disregarding them and letting them say what they want, is much more reasonable of an indexing for how he'd react.
 
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Overlord775 said:
@Gilas
if It can affect her incorporeal mind it's mind hax, so it's resisted

if isn't mind hax it can't affect her incorporeal mind
No, that's just Non-Physical Interaction, meaning his haxes can affect her mind
 
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Ricsi-viragosi said:
So what you suggest as his starting move? You and anyone else who complains about Bill's starting move say that but doesn't say what his starting move should be

Also, Bill would probably act a lot closer to how he acted toward Time Baby against people he doesn't know rather than to Dipper and Mabel
 

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First of all, I don't need to say what is right to say it's wrong. Secondly, I did give a more reasonable way to see how he actually starts.

And why would he act like with time baby? Assuming he acts to normal people as he acted against an enforcer of law over all of time and space who he needs to murder to gain control over time is just not good.

You assume he acts against people as he acts against normal people. He bellitles them, he boasts to them, he let's them talk to him, and only then does he even begin to use any of his abilities.
 
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Ricsi-viragosi said:
You assume he acts against people as he acts against normal people. He bellitles them, he boasts to them, he let's them talk to him, and only then does he even begin to use any of his abilities.
You forgot that in a majority of those cases, Bill either did it because he knew they were weak (such as against Dipper in weirdmaggedon), or he need something from them (such as that they would make a deal with him). When People he don't have anything to gain from try to attack him (like in a VS match), Bill is very likely to snap them (Snapping Mabel to sleep and BFRing her as soon as she gives him the rift, turning Dipper and Mabel's friends to tapstries as soon as they intended to fight him, turning Ford into gold the moment he didn't need him anymore, twice.)

Most other people also doesn't kill each other immediately either, or doesn't even start by using their abilities immediately normally whenever they meet other people. Does that mean that in a fight a non-fighter character would just talk or will be in a fight mode? Because if Bill is in a fight mode he'll act differently than when just talking
 

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No. That isn't true for neither the citizen of gravity falls, nor against pacifista's parents.

When the shack attacked him he just threw minions at it and was surprised that it failed. Then he tried to punch it with the force of a nuke and was again surprised that it failed.

He never reacted ato any attempted attacks by snapping. He blasts or punches in pretty much all cases he is attacked. Saying he would likely snap with by default has no proof when he never began an actual fight with that.
 
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Yeah considering the 3 "fights" he's been in (Mindscape fight, Shacktron, chasing Dipper and Mabel) his strategy was to grow huge and punch/shoot lasers.
 
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Schnee One said:
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EE is a spiritual based ability that affects your body in soul.

Matter based directly affects the atoms physically and splits them apart
what? ee is spiritual because it also destroys the soul but that is not even relevant idk why you constantly bringing up that part like i am dumb or something......ee is also matter based because it destroys the body just like thanos snap

an admin also agrees https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3949631#2
 

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Buddy, I have no idea how you got from "resistance to EE" to "resistance to all forms of matter destruction".

1. EE and Deconstruction are completely unrelated powers. Resistance to one means nothing against the other.

2. What he meant by that was EE that only erases the body.
 

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Because you're comparing something that physically breaks Matter down to spiritual Erasure, you can't. I'm showing you the difference because you keep saying one is better then the other when they are fundamentally different.

Of course this is once again moot, because Goku's resistance amounted to not getting him killed instantly, so his resistance isn't good enough to begin with regardless

An Admin agreeing doesn't make your point better, that is an Authority Fallacy

Come to my wall if you have more disagreements as you're derailing here.
 

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EE doesn't actually have to be spiritual. If you're erasing matter from existence entirely that's still beyond what you'll be able to do with matter manip since you aren't supposed to be able to destroy matter or energy.
 
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Wokistan said:
EE doesn't actually have to be spiritual. If you're erasing matter from existence entirely that's still beyond what you'll be able to do with matter manip since you aren't supposed to be able to destroy matter or energy.
wait one last thing you are saying ee is beyond and superior to matter destruction because thanos only turns people into ash and ee destroys them completely.....so why will someone who survives the better version of destruction fall to a lesser version??
 
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because it's not the same ability

having your atoms destroyed is a completly different process from being erased. it simply isn't the same thing
 
Naruto's AP is rendered null due to Luffy's rubber body and the gap between them really isn't that big and Luffy has durability. I see nothing wrong with letting that match stay on the profile. Also Naruto doesn't have the durability advantage either, Luffy has High 7-A durability.
 
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Thats false, Naruto will be getting an upgrade to High 7-A which means he would have a 3x Advantage against Luffy and not only that he can make 4 clones that all share his AP and Durability. He is only resistant to Blunt Force so Naruto can still hurt him.
 
If he's getting bumped to High 7-A then you should have opened up with that instead of "With the recent OP downgrades." the way you originally worded it makes it seem like you were referring to the gap between 7-A and 7-A+.
 
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Evem then Naruto still has a massive AP advantage since he scales above 810mt, while luffy scales above 337mt. Anyway the fight between them should be removed.
 
Homer's fight with Giorno should probably also be removed. Reason is Giorno also can't bypass Mid regen and his sense messing thing doesn't last long enough to incap him. Plus they also gave Homer prior knowledge on Giorno's ability. Completely one-sided

These profiles aren't even protected but whatever
 
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