Versus Thread Removal Requests 12

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Also, the concept manip wasn't the only reason why Melt won that match, so it wouldn't be removed even if concept manip was

 

[Schnee_One]

Take this somewhere else guys

 

[Elizhaa]

Also, the concept manip wasn't the only reason why Melt won that match, so it wouldn't be removed even if concept manip was

Technically, it was hence why I originally didn't debate against it. Without, she no feat sto proof she can negate mid-godly Regenerationn for one.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

It has to do with the removal of a match, where would we take it?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I do remember Monarch saying it wasn't conceptual multiple times.

 

[Elizhaa]

I do remember Monarch saying it wasn't conceptual multiple times.

Yeah, Monarch said it wasn't.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Technically, it was hence why I originally didn't debate against it. Without, she no feat sto proof she can negate mid-godly Regenerationn for one.

Her way around it was absorption, as it always was.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I do remember Monarch saying it wasn't conceptual multiple times.

Well he is first off wrong, and it wasn't supposed to have been removed until it had been discussed more

 

[Schnee_One]

Take this somewhere else guys

Now

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Take it where else? This is literally us discussing WHY it should be removed.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

It has to do with the removal of a match, where would we take it?

^

 

[Schnee_One]

You discuss it on a message wall.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

????

What?? So are you gonna ignore the COUNTLESS other times that people have done the same thing on these type of threads, EVEN BEING DONE ON THIS THREAD, even the THREAD RULE ITSELF SAYING "*Argument involving a versus thread to be removed that you don't agree with is allowed. Just be sensible about it."

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Why would we discuss the removal of a VS match anywhere else than the specific place meant to discuss the removal of VS matches? In addition, why would we discuss official wiki proceedings on a simple message wall?

 

[Elizhaa]

The way is I see it, this is allowed:

"*Argument involving a versus thread to be removed that you don't agree with is allowed. Just be sensible about it."

If people have problems with the CRT topic then they are welcome to take the discussion in the CRT or thier message walls. The currrent topic of removal looks valid to me for Meltlilith vs Yuuki Kagurazaka match.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Elizhaa

Why did you remove the match before we finished discussing it?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I agree that was a bit of a bad move.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Why not just open up another Vs battle thread and debate it again???

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

That's just more hassle.

 

[Elizhaa]

I said I would removed it and the current reasoning for removal is valid. Another Vs battle thread for debate is still welcome.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

The current reasons aren't invalid. It was never based on conceptual manip, as you can see from the end of the thread.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It was a hassle the last time, it will be a hassle this time. I'm fine with Meltlilith as No.1 as long as we don't have to suffer the original thread.

 

[Elizhaa]

The current reasons aren't invalid. It was never based on conceptual manip, as you can see from the end of the thread.

It was. Conceptual Manipulation was even as a point for Melt Virus and you used this argument near the end of thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3154160#274. Your also even made an argument that she could control the concept of time if she was BFR by Yuuki to place where the conceppt of time doesn't exist: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3154160#272

In any case, you guys are welcome to remake the match.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I agree that's a bad move Eli, you now make youlooks like a guy who don't want his fave suffer

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Are you referring to me?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Nah, i refering to Elizha

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Regardless, it's still disrespectful. The thread was annoying for both sides.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, at worst it should be readded

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Eilzhaa

You completely ignored the other comment where I say that whether it is conceptual or not doesn't matter, since the absorpsion being conceptual or not doesn't change that it deals with Yuuki's regen which is what is important. The concept manip that was removed was her usage of it with Swarati Meltdown, not the law manip that is used to apply time to timeless places. That doesn't change.

 

[Elizhaa]

I agree that's a bad move Eli, you now make youlooks like a guy who don't want his fave suffer

A character lost an ability that was critical in match outcome from a CRT. Numerous arguments and votes were made on the removed ability. Hence, the match is invalid and now removed. I am just doing what is protocal as a lot of versus thread request are like this case.

Again, a rematch is welcome.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Heck, in BB and Gil hax upgrade thread Melt conceptua manip are proofed even further

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don't remember her absorption being able to deal with Mid-Godly.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I don't know elizhaa's reasoning seems sound, the argument seems to be over weather or not the result is still valid. Since it seems to have relied at the very least in part due to conceptual manipulation it should probably be removed and redone...

Absorbtion is not enough to bypass mid godly unless it has been shown to do so...

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Furthermore Yuuki has an upcoming resistance to conceptual manipulation and absorption.

 

[Elizhaa]

I don't remember her absorption being able to deal with Mid-Godly.

Yeah, it wasn't not. Her Melt Virus from Saraswati Meltout: Benzaiten's Five-String Biwa was argued as conceptual was reason for the Mid-Godly Regenerationn negation.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

The primary reason for him bypassing the Regenerationn was not negation of it, but absorption

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Absorbtion isn't enough to bypass mid godly without feats/conceptual manip. As it lacks both I don't see how it bypasses now, even if it does it would still have to be redisscussed...

 

[Elizhaa]

The primary reason for him bypassing the Regenerationn was not negation of it, but Absorption

No, absorption wasn't. It something even weak monsters like slimes in Tensei to a high degree and literally all top tiers resists in the Tensei verse at stonger level. Even then, she has no feat she could negated a character with Mid-Godly Regenerationn. Only her Conceptual Manipulation could theoretically do it.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I fail to see how Mid-Godly regen would let you come back from you becoming a part of Melt. Care to explain?

 

[Elizhaa]

I fail to see how Mid-Godly regen would let you come back from you becoming a part of Melt. Care to explain?

She had no feat. I am somewhat familiar with the Fate verse. Again, arguing that she can do somthing like this without feat is No Limits Fallacy (NLF).

Honeslty, I re-ead matches and review profiles before removing matches; I did for this case, too. Her only valid win condition was via Conceptual Manipulation which was removed.

The match is removed. Futher discussion should be on a message wall or another thread.