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Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) VS Gaara (New Era) (14-11-0) (GRACE)

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This isn’t proof Amaterasu Travels.

In the scans you showed there’s literally no movement lines and no panel even suggesting movement lines for the jutsu.

So Amaterasu doesn’t travel.



So are u really just gonna ignore how the raikage moved out of way after the amaterasu was used?...and how it hitted the person right behind the raikage right after?


If it spawned on him, the raikage would not be able to dodge it, and if it didnt travel a certain distance the samurai would not have been hit with it
 
He tries his best to misinterpret the scan. Saying Sasuke spawned Amaterasu on an afterimage
 
You are really something.
I'M LITERALLY AGREEING WITH YOU, ARE YOU ALL NEVER SATISFIED??? Seriously, though, the manga bit with the Raikage works, unless that's the Raikage somehow just vanishing from Sasuke's perception before he even activated the ability, showing a level of speed he had not shown at the time, which is heavily unlikely. This shows that, while much faster than normal attacks, Amaterasu is not instant, rather just being your standard speed-amped attack.
 



So are u really just gonna ignore how the raikage moved out of way after the amaterasu was used?...and how it hitted the person right behind the raikage right after?

I'm not sure how that means anything with regards to amaterasu. The Raikage was legit just dodging Sasuke's line of sight and instead saske was looking at the person who was behind him because he was too fast.

It doesn't mean he's actively dodging the jutsu.
If it spawned on him, the raikage would not be able to dodge it, and if it didnt travel a certain distance the samurai would not have been hit with it
It didn't spawn on him, it spawned where he was because that's where sasuke was looking, then. Sasuke's sharingan couldn't keep up with his movement and could only see after images of him. It's as simple as that.
 
I'm not sure how that means anything with regards to amaterasu. The Raikage was legit just dodging Sasuke's line of sight and instead saske was looking at the person who was behind him because he was too fast.

It doesn't mean he's actively dodging the jutsu.

It didn't spawn on him, it spawned where he was because that's where sasuke was looking, then. Sasuke's sharingan couldn't keep up with his movement and could only see after images of him. It's as simple as that.
This also sounds like it might be possible, I just wasn't willing to bring it up.
 
I'm not sure how that means anything with regards to amaterasu. The Raikage was legit just dodging Sasuke's line of sight and instead saske was looking at the person who was behind him because he was too fast.

It doesn't mean he's actively dodging the jutsu.

Wrong.

Amaterasu formed already and he dodged it. It’s as simple as that
 
I'm not sure how that means anything with regards to amaterasu. The Raikage was legit just dodging Sasuke's line of sight
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As you can clearly see, the amaterasu has already been formed, and the raikage has yet to move a single muscle to avoid it.There is no afterimages in this panel or really anything implying that the raikage moved a single muscle in this moment




Its only in the second panel, that the raikage moves to avoid the amaterasu.

AGAIN, the raikage only moved in the second panel,AFTER the attack was formed,in the first panel the guy did not move a single muscle

Meaning he moved to avoid the attack AFTER it was used
instead saske was looking at the person who was behind him because he was too fast.


Moments before disaster

If your theory was right, the guy would have been set on fire immediately after sasuke used his attack

But as we can see in this panel, that is not what happened, the amaterasu clearly took some time to hit the samurai, as it only burned him in the next square




So, i repeat.The raikage only moved AFTER sasuke used the amaterasu and the attack also traveled all the way to the samurai

It didn't spawn on him, it spawned where he was because that's where sasuke was looking, then. Sasuke's sharingan couldn't keep up with his movement and could only see after images of him. It's as simple as that.
No dude, the first panel clearly shows that the amaterasu has already been formed and that the raikage had yet to move a single muscle.And only in the second panel was when the raikage dodged, he was not blitzing sasuke or whatever, he just moved out of the way of the attack
 
This is hilarious ong

They really don’t want to admit that Garaa’s IR will not save him from Dirty Fireworks.
Tbh, I haven't seen an argument that he would use it. Gaara is essentially the same, from his perspective, as the random Namekian villagers, and that's not what he did on them.
 
Stop replying with essays, it's a waste of time.
Coming from someone who thinks everyone is wrong because you say "no" without any explanation
It isn't ordinary sand.
It is, its just controlled by Gaara. The only sand not really ordinary is the one carried by Gaara, but all other sand sources he use are normal sand, its the reason why he spends more chakra controlling external sources of sand.
Where is it stated to be Kiai?
Does it really ******* matter? Characters in dragon ball release bursts of energy all the time even just by powering up that can crack the ground around them and send things flying.
Yes, your stamina decreases when injured, big whoop. That happens IRL too.
Except that when you lose Ki, you become weaker. Vegeta took my attacks out of his caliber and was still able to keep fighting and use Ki attacks. If it weren't for his stamina, he would probably have lost after taking the x4 kamehameha
How is this good for Vegeta?
Because someone who can fight for long periods of time while also being able to take hits is gonna be better in the long run that someone who can run out of chakra and it one ki blast away from being past tense
He was using Chakra constantly to move around and maintain armor.
It's never been stated that he was using his armour all the time during his battles, because not only does it lower his speed, but it also the technique that consumes the most amount of chakra, so its not viable to be using all the time.
 
Coming from someone who thinks everyone is wrong because you say "no" without any explanation
I only say that about statements that are factually not enough to do shit.
It is, its just controlled by Gaara. The only sand not really ordinary is the one carried by Gaara, but all other sand sources he use are normal sand, its the reason why he spends more chakra controlling external sources of sand.
Being controlled by him means it isn't normal sand, it's infused with Chakra.
Does it really ******* matter? Characters in dragon ball release bursts of energy all the time even just by powering up that can crack the ground around them and send things flying.
Cool, when does Vegeta do this without moving?
Except that when you lose Ki, you become weaker. Vegeta took my attacks out of his caliber and was still able to keep fighting and use Ki attacks. If it weren't for his stamina, he would probably have lost after taking the x4 kamehameha
Yeah, when you get hit, you get weaker. What's the issue?
Because someone who can fight for long periods of time while also being able to take hits is gonna be better in the long run that someone who can run out of chakra and it one ki blast away from being past tense
Cmon, "one ki blast" isn't doing anything to his perfect, passive shield.
It's never been stated that he was using his armour all the time during his battles, because not only does it lower his speed, but it also the technique that consumes the most amount of chakra, so its not viable to be using all the time.
He's typically shown to be wearing it everything he gets hit(except when Momoshiki hit him, but he was still doing alright afterward, so idk).
 
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As you can clearly see, the amaterasu has already been formed, and the raikage has yet to move a single muscle to avoid it.There is no afterimages in this panel or really anything implying that the raikage moved a single muscle in this moment

You know that the whole point of afterimages is that it looks like a person is there when they're really not, don't you?
If your theory was right, the guy would have been set on fire immediately after sasuke used his attack

But as we can see in this panel, that is not what happened, the amaterasu clearly took some time to hit the samurai, as it only burned him in the next square
As I said, Sasuke was looking at where he was, then was looking at the Samurai.

Hell, the statement on that same page literally thwarts your whole argument that Amaterasu travels.

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Why would it say "Amaterasu ignites whatever he's looking at" and not "Amaterasu is a fire attack that comes from his eyes"?
More proof he's dodging Sasuke's gaze and not dodging Amaterasu while it's traveling to him.

Then, if it wasn't clear enough that Amaterasu didn't works simply because of the Raikage being too fast for Sasuke to track, KARIN LITERALLY STATES MY CASE.
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^"Sasuke is protected even if he can't follow Raikage's movements!"
 
You know that the whole point of afterimages is that it looks like a person is there when they're really not, don't you?

As I said, Sasuke was looking at where he was, then was looking at the Samurai.

Hell, the statement on that same page literally thwarts your whole argument that Amaterasu travels.

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Why would it say "Amaterasu ignites whatever he's looking at" and not "Amaterasu is a fire attack that comes from his eyes"?
More proof he's dodging Sasuke's gaze and not dodging Amaterasu while it's traveling to him.
I was wondering what C was saying.
 
I read the entre Thread, and Vegeta looks to have way more chances on winning this, voting vegeta here for reasons above.
 
You know that the whole point of afterimages is that it looks like a person is there when they're really not, don't you?
Yes, but that is not how afterimages are represented in manga in general.There is always one detail or two that points out that the character is using afterimages

There is quite literally nothing poiting that out on that panel there.So saying that he is using after images in that moment is headcanon

As I said, Sasuke was looking at where he was, then was looking at the Samurai.

Hell, the statement on that same page literally thwarts your whole argument that Amaterasu travels.
The samurai would have been burned instantly if it didnt travel, but that was not what happened

if the amaterasu sends flames to burn whatever sasuke is looking at then this statement would still apply

So EVEN IF WE CONSIDER THE AMATERASU AS A PROJECTILE, the statement would still be applicable
Then, if it wasn't clear enough that Amaterasu didn't works simply because of the Raikage being too fast for Sasuke to track, KARIN LITERALLY STATES MY CASE.

^"Sasuke is protected even if he can't follow Raikage's movements!"
And how does this proves anything either?if the raikage is too fast for sasuke to even track he wouldnt be able to hit any projectile either, it goes both ways
 
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The scan says that it doesn't travel but just initiates were rhe user is seeing


Anyways, gaara fra
Read this please
Yes, but that is not how afterimages are represented in manga in general.There is always one detail or two that points out that the character is using afterimages

There is quite literally nothing poiting that out on that panel there.So saying that he is using after images in that moment is headcanon


The samurai would have been burned instantly if it didnt travel, but that was not what happened

if the amaterasu sends flames to burn whatever sasuke is looking at then this statement would still apply

So EVEN IF WE CONSIDER THE AMATERASU AS A PROJECTILE, the statement would still be applicable

And how does this proves anything either?if the raikage is too fast for sasuke to even track he wouldnt be able to hit any projectile either, it goes both ways
Read this too please
?????????????



As you can clearly see, the amaterasu has already been formed, and the raikage has yet to move a single muscle to avoid it.There is no afterimages in this panel or really anything implying that the raikage moved a single muscle in this moment




Its only in the second panel, that the raikage moves to avoid the amaterasu.

AGAIN, the raikage only moved in the second panel,AFTER the attack was formed,in the first panel the guy did not move a single muscle

Meaning he moved to avoid the attack AFTER it was used



Moments before disaster

If your theory was right, the guy would have been set on fire immediately after sasuke used his attack

But as we can see in this panel, that is not what happened, the amaterasu clearly took some time to hit the samurai, as it only burned him in the next square




So, i repeat.The raikage only moved AFTER sasuke used the amaterasu and the attack also traveled all the way to the samurai


No dude, the first panel clearly shows that the amaterasu has already been formed and that the raikage had yet to move a single muscle.And only in the second panel was when the raikage dodged, he was not blitzing sasuke or whatever, he just moved out of the way of the attack
 
Read this please

Read this too please
Nothing changes on my second point
Sand substitution or just his sand shield would still protect him from the fireworks, it is an attack, and it would react by being in the way of it making it explode instead of gaara

Also, vegeta almost never uses that against weaker people he is fighting, no idea why everyone is assuming that he is
 
Also, vegeta almost never uses that against weaker people he is fighting, no idea why everyone is assuming that he is
Everyone's doing the "He does it on people he thinks are weak" bit, but he literally doesn't. He didn't do it once on the Namekian villagers, or literally anyone who wasn't a Saibaman or his old enemy.
 
Nothing changes on my second point
Sand substitution or just his sand shield would still protect him from the fireworks, it is an attack, and it would react by being in the way of it making it explode instead of gaara

Also, vegeta almost never uses that against weaker people he is fighting, no idea why everyone is assuming that he is
Assuming that it would protect him from something that does not even travel would be a nlf if we see the amaterasu as a projectile, so i do think its important here

The point is, if he thinks that gaara is a waste of time he will just get rid of him asap, that is how sayain saga vegeta functions
 
Gaara wincons:
Gaara restrains, crushes, or seals Vegeta away with sand.
Gaara has a 2.5x advantage in AP and Dura here. Also a massive LS advantages (his sand can stop meteors, Vegeta has 0 LS feats, though imo he should just upscale from Kid Goku's feats.)
Gaara can also make high speed sand projectiles.

Vegeta wincons:
Oozaru (10x AP amp, crushes Gaara through his sand. Although this is not guaranteed given Gaara has several ways to dodge it.)
Dirty Fireworks or some kind of invisible ki blast. Gaara's physical dura is so weak that any attack that manages to bypass his sand defenses would be an instant kill. Gaara's sand has instinctive reaction at all times though.

Incon:
Planet bust. Kills both of them since Vegeta can't breathe in space.
 
Also I should point out that Gaara's sand here has an equivalent AP to Kaioken x8 Goku. Vegeta's already getting smacked around by KKx3.
 
Assuming that it would protect him from something that does not even travel would be a nlf if we see the amaterasu as a projectile, so i do think its important here
It is an attempt attack by vegeta, so the sand would react as such since it is instinctive

The point is, if he thinks that gaara is a waste of time he will just get rid of him asap, that is how sayain saga vegeta functions
Show examples of this in a fight? He didn't seemed to do it against various oponents far weaker than him

Also, gaara is stronger than him, his sand is full of chackra giving it power, why would the scouter not measure that?
 
Gaara wincons:
Gaara restrains, crushes, or seals Vegeta away with sand.
Gaara has a 2.5x advantage in AP and Dura here. Also a massive LS advantages (his sand can stop meteors, Vegeta has 0 LS feats, though imo he should just upscale from Kid Goku's feats.)
Gaara can also make high speed sand projectiles.

Vegeta wincons:
Oozaru (10x AP amp, crushes Gaara through his sand. Although this is not guaranteed given Gaara has several ways to dodge it.)
Dirty Fireworks or some kind of invisible ki blast. Gaara's physical dura is so weak that any attack that manages to bypass his sand defenses would be an instant kill. Gaara's sand has instinctive reaction at all times though.

Incon:
Planet bust. Kills both of them since Vegeta can't breathe in space.
Ah, so i vote incon then because is more funny.
 
I'm leaning towards Vegeta for the time being.

How does Gaara's instinctive reaction work? Is that like, for example, his sand blocking Rock Lee's attacks when he used the Gates?
 
His mom's ghost forms shields and constructs around him.
That's a weird situation, the alien monkey Guy tries to blow up the orphan, but his mom loves protects him with dirt.

Btw, How many times the Sand have protect him from being blow up, or other similar attacks besides the Amaterasu one?
 
That's a weird situation, the alien monkey Guy tries to blow up the orphan, but his mom loves protects him with dirt.

Btw, How many times the Sand have protect him from being blow up, or other similar attacks besides the Amaterasu one?
Mutliple times acctually, one of the first times it happened was just that
 
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