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Well he’d be 16.2C
It’s a 10x multiplier in general I’m the one who wrote the note from the accepted crt it’s under Kaioken for a reason
And larger ki means higher statistics
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Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) VS Gaara (New Era) (14-11-0) (GRACE)
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It’s a 10x multiplier in general I’m the one who wrote the note from the accepted crt it’s under Kaioken for a reason
And larger ki means higher statistics
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No he would not. At that point, he would have just instantly blitzed Goku every time. Vegeta also literally says "my power is 10x higher."
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Power ball makes lowers your ki and strength and there’s been guides that state it’s 10x multiplier
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Why is the oozaru not considered as an speed amp again?
If its because vegeta was not blitzing goku, you guys have to remember that the guy got hit with a times four kamehameha and then created the artifical moon that took a huge chunk of his ki
Vegeta was nowhere at his peak speed at that point
If its because vegeta was not blitzing goku, you guys have to remember that the guy got hit with a times four kamehameha and then created the artifical moon that took a huge chunk of his ki
Vegeta was nowhere at his peak speed at that point
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Vegeta only says power tho
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Neither is Goku, that same x4 Kamehameha thrashed his body.
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It’s not an invisible Ki blast. It just implodes the target. Similar to how Frieza killed Krillin.
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I know, I'm referring to some other invisible moves like Kiai or something.
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But vegeta got the worst of it all
this + the absolute beatdown he received against x3 goku + the moon thing slowed vegeta down
And considering that vegeta still had the speed advantage against a kaioken goku, i think its pretty consistent
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It is, just not 10x
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Maybe equalize speed next time
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Neutral. I'll see what happens from here
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Vegeta FRA
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Pretty sure the guides state it’s just a 10x multiplier but can’t find it atm
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That seems very unlikely, Vegeta just need to trow the thing in the Air, expanded It, and look at It to start transforming. Gaara reacting very fast to a thing that he don't know what does would be kinda bizarre.
Even If the Power moon is destroyed, Vegeta can still keep the transformation.
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Vegeta can fly up to dodge that.
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The transformation takes time, if he destroys it vegeta would stop transforming, also if there is no moon then he detransforms
And gaara can fly him and his sand along with him to hit him anyway
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The transformation takes like, 10 seconds to occur. And again, destroying the moon don't stop the transformation or make Vegeta detransforms, he would still keep his oozaru form even If the artificial moon dissapears.
Vegeta desvia disso também, já que ele tem melhor mobilidade no ar. Ele também pode fazer um contrataque com o Super Galick Blast, que tem um grande AoE.
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That is not how the oozaru transformation works, if the moon disapears they detransform
And 10 seconds is a really big time for someone faster than him, also gaara cab just grab the ball with the sand before he makes it into a moon
Cara vc tem que falar em ingles aqui, nao em protugues
And while yes he has more mobility that doesn't matter much if gaara makes a gigantic sand veil and drops it on vegeta, the galick ho takes time to charge, gaara has plenty of time to counter attack, and even so it is just one direction while gaara can grab him from below easily while he stops to charge, or from any other direction for that matter
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Only If the moon dissapears, If they transform with the artificial moon they can keep the transformation for 90 minutes.
Yeah, but chances of Gaara stoping the transformation before Vegeta becames a Ape is low, since Vegeta durability is gonna increase too. If he tries to attack during his transformation, Vegeta gonna tank the hits, and uses super explosion wave to blow the Sand away from him.
I not denying that It can happen, but Vegeta is gonna transformstion looks like a scenario that can happen most than not. Gaara also not gonna know what's going to react fast enough, he see the guy trowing a Ball of energy on the sky, and he start transforming in a Monkey he probally would be like "What?" Instead of immediality attacking.
Gaara don't even know what the Ball does, why he would do that?
And Vegeta needs to close his hand to explode, and get a glimpse on the Moon to happen, i think that can happen way more faster than Gaara trying to destroy the Ball.
Sorry, i was just typing wrong in english in my last sentece, and got angry and type on portuguese.
Sorry
While they both flying? And Vegeta can explode that.
Not Galick Ho, the Super Galick Blaster is a Mouth Energy Wave version of Galick Gun that he uses against Goku, when he was trying to charge the Genki Dama, that take no time to charge. That also have a big AoE. Is in the chapter 234.
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FOR THE LAST TIME
VEGETA DOES NOT NEED TO MAKE A MOON THANKS TO SBA
VEGETA DOES NOT NEED TO MAKE A MOON THANKS TO SBA
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Ok, so Vegeta Fra then.
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it is fine
constantly coming from every direction, also sand can't be exploded per say, it would just reform itself and stop vegeta again
Vegeta seems to use hth combat more in oozaru form, gaara would be fast enough to dodge it, it doesn't have big enough aoe that he wouldn't be able to
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Scouter > sees Gaara’s physicals being weak af > Dirty Fireworks gg
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Scouter > Sees Gaara's Sand > He's stronger than Recoome
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Does scouter even detect energy in inanimate objects?
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But It can be blow up away right? Like, he can disperse the sand with Super Explosive Wave.
When Goku was charging the Genki Dama, and he was far away vegeta decides to blast him instead of using close combat.
And It does have a big AoE, i send It when i Go to the computer.
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gaara can just keep launching more and more sand, per SBA they are in a dessert, as such gaara has practically unlimited ammo
well yeah, but like, he would try blasting the sand and not gaara, since that is what is the threat for him, which would not help much since there would be far more sand bellow him, and the sand he blasted could just reform easily to do it again, he would just waste his energy tbh
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It's full of chakra
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err Gaara FRA
The Scouter should be able to sense the chakra not only on Gaara himself but also the Sand around him/in his gourd.
Also @Padaruyos make sure to tally all the votes
The Scouter should be able to sense the chakra not only on Gaara himself but also the Sand around him/in his gourd.
Also @Padaruyos make sure to tally all the votes
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Everything in Dragon Ball have Ki, but i don't remember the scouter detecting that.
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where are you getting this from?
either way, it is Gaara's chackra infused in the sand, so it would detect no matter what
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Took me a while to realize that u responded, sorry
How the hell is the sand is gonna react to something that literally SPAWNS on gaara? the same thing goes to dirty fireworks too btw, its not an explosion that is guided by whatever vegeta is pointing.Its just an attack that makes the enemy implode
And ye genjutsu was a bad example
Dude refused to do anything until goku arrived
Why would he even do that here?
The attack SPAWNS ON HIM dude, the punch quite literally spawns on his face
How the hell is the sand is gonna react to something that literally SPAWNS on gaara? the same thing goes to dirty fireworks too btw, its not an explosion that is guided by whatever vegeta is pointing.Its just an attack that makes the enemy implode
And ye genjutsu was a bad example
He never tested someone in the series, like at all.There is a reason he sent the saibamens and nappa ro fight the z fighers you know, because he could bother doing it himself
Dude refused to do anything until goku arrived
Why would he even do that here?
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It is based on him pointing at the foe.
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Ins't you argument that he can cover Vegeta in a cube of sand, or i understand wrong? Because Vegeta gonna keep flying upwards so he can't caught by the sand that's bellow him, while also attacking with Ki blast so Gaara can't keep attacking constantly with sand.
What? Gaara is the guy who is the threat to him because he is the one controling the sand, attacking the sand only would happen if he is stupid. If you argument is that since Gaara is trowing the sand on him, he would defend himself by attacking the sand, yeah obvious but he also would attack the guy who is controling the sand;
Btw, Gaara have unlimeted chakra to keep using that much sand?
As you see, is pretty big.
And i think he can do this too, if we scale him to nappa.
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The genki dama , a attack that draw life energy, can be formed with the the plants, three and the sun.
You have to prove that the scouter can do that.
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If that was the case the foe wouldnt explode from the inside, instead it would just cause a normal explosion on the op because he is pointing at the "outside" of the foe, not at his insides
I dont see how gaaras sand would protext him from something like this
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If it wasn't based on pointing, he could do it with his mind.
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That is true actually, the scouter was never shown to detect the pl of these things
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