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Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) VS Gaara (New Era) (14-11-0) (GRACE)

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I still don't believe he'd be faster than Gaara though. Gaara could block attacks from guys that could scale to more than double the 2.11c
Well he’d be 16.2C
We don't know by how much, we accept 10x power increase, not speed here


Not if gaara conjures like, a kilometer of sand to engulf him, remember, they are in a desert

It’s a 10x multiplier in general I’m the one who wrote the note from the accepted crt it’s under Kaioken for a reason
And larger ki means higher statistics
 
Why is the oozaru not considered as an speed amp again?

If its because vegeta was not blitzing goku, you guys have to remember that the guy got hit with a times four kamehameha and then created the artifical moon that took a huge chunk of his ki

Vegeta was nowhere at his peak speed at that point
 
Why is the oozaru not considered as an speed amp again?

If its because vegeta was not blitzing goku, you guys have to remember that the guy got hit with a times four kamehameha and then created the artifical moon that took a huge chunk of his ki

Vegeta was nowhere at his peak speed at that point
Neither is Goku, that same x4 Kamehameha thrashed his body.
 
Neither is Goku, that same x4 Kamehameha thrashed his body.
But vegeta got the worst of it all

this + the absolute beatdown he received against x3 goku + the moon thing slowed vegeta down

And considering that vegeta still had the speed advantage against a kaioken goku, i think its pretty consistent
 
Maybe equalize speed next time
 
Vegeta only says power tho
Pretty sure the guides state it’s just a 10x multiplier but can’t find it atm
Why is the oozaru not considered as an speed amp again?

If its because vegeta was not blitzing goku, you guys have to remember that the guy got hit with a times four kamehameha and then created the artifical moon that took a huge chunk of his ki

Vegeta was nowhere at his peak speed at that point
i worded it wrong when creating the note
 
But he can coat the artificial moon with sand to block the light.

If Gaara managed to shut down the power ball, Vegeta will be much weaker since creating the power ball weakens him.
That seems very unlikely, Vegeta just need to trow the thing in the Air, expanded It, and look at It to start transforming. Gaara reacting very fast to a thing that he don't know what does would be kinda bizarre.

Even If the Power moon is destroyed, Vegeta can still keep the transformation.
 
That seems very unlikely, Vegeta just need to trow the thing in the Air, expanded It, and look at It to start transforming. Gaara reacting very fast to a thing that he don't know what does would be kinda bizarre.

Even If the Power moon is destroyed, Vegeta can still keep the transformation.
The transformation takes time, if he destroys it vegeta would stop transforming, also if there is no moon then he detransforms

Vegeta can fly up to dodge that.
And gaara can fly him and his sand along with him to hit him anyway
 
The transformation takes time, if he destroys it vegeta would stop transforming, also if there is no moon then he detransforms
The transformation takes like, 10 seconds to occur. And again, destroying the moon don't stop the transformation or make Vegeta detransforms, he would still keep his oozaru form even If the artificial moon dissapears.


And gaara can fly him and his sand along with him to hit him anyway
Vegeta desvia disso também, já que ele tem melhor mobilidade no ar. Ele também pode fazer um contrataque com o Super Galick Blast, que tem um grande AoE.
 
The transformation takes like, 10 seconds to occur. And again, destroying the moon don't stop the transformation or make Vegeta detransforms, he would still keep his oozaru form even If the artificial moon dissapears.
That is not how the oozaru transformation works, if the moon disapears they detransform
And 10 seconds is a really big time for someone faster than him, also gaara cab just grab the ball with the sand before he makes it into a moon

Vegeta desvia disso também, já que ele tem melhor mobilidade no ar. Ele também pode fazer um contrataque com o Super Galick Blast, que tem um grande AoE.
Cara vc tem que falar em ingles aqui, nao em protugues

And while yes he has more mobility that doesn't matter much if gaara makes a gigantic sand veil and drops it on vegeta, the galick ho takes time to charge, gaara has plenty of time to counter attack, and even so it is just one direction while gaara can grab him from below easily while he stops to charge, or from any other direction for that matter
 
That is not how the oozaru transformation works, if the moon disapears they detransform
Only If the moon dissapears, If they transform with the artificial moon they can keep the transformation for 90 minutes.
And 10 seconds is a really big time for someone faster than him,
Yeah, but chances of Gaara stoping the transformation before Vegeta becames a Ape is low, since Vegeta durability is gonna increase too. If he tries to attack during his transformation, Vegeta gonna tank the hits, and uses super explosion wave to blow the Sand away from him.

I not denying that It can happen, but Vegeta is gonna transformstion looks like a scenario that can happen most than not. Gaara also not gonna know what's going to react fast enough, he see the guy trowing a Ball of energy on the sky, and he start transforming in a Monkey he probally would be like "What?" Instead of immediality attacking.
also gaara cab just grab the ball with the sand before he makes it into a moon
Gaara don't even know what the Ball does, why he would do that?
And Vegeta needs to close his hand to explode, and get a glimpse on the Moon to happen, i think that can happen way more faster than Gaara trying to destroy the Ball.
Cara vc tem que falar em ingles aqui, nao em protugues
Sorry, i was just typing wrong in english in my last sentece, and got angry and type on portuguese.
Sorry
And while yes he has more mobility that doesn't matter much if gaara makes a gigantic sand veil and drops it on vegeta,
While they both flying? And Vegeta can explode that.
the galick ho takes time to charge,
Not Galick Ho, the Super Galick Blaster is a Mouth Energy Wave version of Galick Gun that he uses against Goku, when he was trying to charge the Genki Dama, that take no time to charge. That also have a big AoE. Is in the chapter 234.
 
Sorry, i was just typing wrong in english in my last sentece, and got angry and type on portuguese.
Sorry
it is fine outro br aqui na wiki, que surpresa ta lotado de nois aqui lol

While they both flying? And Vegeta can explode that.
constantly coming from every direction, also sand can't be exploded per say, it would just reform itself and stop vegeta again

Not Galick Ho, the Super Galick Blaster is a Mouth Energy Wave version of Galick Gun that he uses against Goku, when he was trying to charge the Genki Dama, that take no time to charge. That also have a big AoE. Is in the chapter 234.
Vegeta seems to use hth combat more in oozaru form, gaara would be fast enough to dodge it, it doesn't have big enough aoe that he wouldn't be able to
 
constantly coming from every direction, also sand can't be exploded per say, it would just reform itself and stop vegeta again
But It can be blow up away right? Like, he can disperse the sand with Super Explosive Wave.
Vegeta seems to use hth combat more in oozaru form, gaara would be fast enough to dodge it, it doesn't have big enough aoe that he wouldn't be able to
When Goku was charging the Genki Dama, and he was far away vegeta decides to blast him instead of using close combat.
And It does have a big AoE, i send It when i Go to the computer.
 
But It can be blow up away right? Like, he can disperse the sand with Super Explosive Wave.
gaara can just keep launching more and more sand, per SBA they are in a dessert, as such gaara has practically unlimited ammo

When Goku was charging the Genki Dama, and he was far away vegeta decides to blast him instead of using close combat.
well yeah, but like, he would try blasting the sand and not gaara, since that is what is the threat for him, which would not help much since there would be far more sand bellow him, and the sand he blasted could just reform easily to do it again, he would just waste his energy tbh

And It does have a big AoE, i send It when i Go to the computer.
ok
 
err Gaara FRA

The Scouter should be able to sense the chakra not only on Gaara himself but also the Sand around him/in his gourd.

Also @Padaruyos make sure to tally all the votes
 
Took me a while to realize that u responded, sorry
Ok, definitely would protect in speed equal, or not if he is "reverse causality" whatever that means
The attack SPAWNS ON HIM dude, the punch quite literally spawns on his face

How the hell is the sand is gonna react to something that literally SPAWNS on gaara? the same thing goes to dirty fireworks too btw, its not an explosion that is guided by whatever vegeta is pointing.Its just an attack that makes the enemy implode

And ye genjutsu was a bad example
Aka not assume anything and test him first to see if he is worth it
he would test and see if gaara is worth his time, which he would see that he is and not use that
Why would he have this attitude before testing him?
He never tested someone in the series, like at all.There is a reason he sent the saibamens and nappa ro fight the z fighers you know, because he could bother doing it himself

Dude refused to do anything until goku arrived

Why would he even do that here?
 
gaara can just keep launching more and more sand, per SBA they are in a dessert, as such gaara has practically unlimited ammo
Ins't you argument that he can cover Vegeta in a cube of sand, or i understand wrong? Because Vegeta gonna keep flying upwards so he can't caught by the sand that's bellow him, while also attacking with Ki blast so Gaara can't keep attacking constantly with sand.
well yeah, but like, he would try blasting the sand and not gaara, since that is what is the threat for him
What? Gaara is the guy who is the threat to him because he is the one controling the sand, attacking the sand only would happen if he is stupid. If you argument is that since Gaara is trowing the sand on him, he would defend himself by attacking the sand, yeah obvious but he also would attack the guy who is controling the sand;
, which would not help much since there would be far more sand bellow him, and the sand he blasted could just reform easily to do it again, he would just waste his energy tbh
Btw, Gaara have unlimeted chakra to keep using that much sand?
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As you see, is pretty big.

And i think he can do this too, if we scale him to nappa.
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It is based on him pointing at the foe.
If that was the case the foe wouldnt explode from the inside, instead it would just cause a normal explosion on the op because he is pointing at the "outside" of the foe, not at his insides

I dont see how gaaras sand would protext him from something like this
 
If that was the case the foe wouldnt explode from the inside, instead it would just cause a normal explosion on the op because he is pointing at the "outside" of the foe, not at his insides

I dont see how gaaras sand would protext him from something like this
If it wasn't based on pointing, he could do it with his mind.
 
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