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Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) VS Gaara (New Era) (14-11-0) (GRACE)

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Gaara wincons:
Gaara restrains, crushes, or seals Vegeta away with sand.
Gaara has a 2.5x advantage in AP and Dura here. Also a massive LS advantages (his sand can stop meteors, Vegeta has 0 LS feats, though imo he should just upscale from Kid Goku's feats.)
Gaara can also make high speed sand projectiles.

Vegeta wincons:
Oozaru (10x AP amp, crushes Gaara through his sand. Although this is not guaranteed given Gaara has several ways to dodge it.)
Dirty Fireworks or some kind of invisible ki blast. Gaara's physical dura is so weak that any attack that manages to bypass his sand defenses would be an instant kill. Gaara's sand has instinctive reaction at all times though.

Incon:
Planet bust. Kills both of them since Vegeta can't breathe in space.
Yeah he should upscalefrom Kidku why isn’t he in this fight? But I dont Think Gaara would be able to just trap vegeta easily with his sand

I’ll probably listen to both side arguments but I would think Vegeta should win if Gaara didn’t have the instinctive sand which is making me think a bit more
 
It is an attempt attack by vegeta, so the sand would react as such since it is instinctive
Again, assuming the sand would react to an attack that does not even travel is a nlf,that is like saying the sand would protect gaara from things like saitama's zero punch or itachi's genjutsu because both are attempts of attack

Show examples of this in a fight? He didn't seemed to do it against various oponents far weaker than him

Because vegeta were either flexing his power or his opps could somehow help him achieve his goals

Gaara is a human, so he will not have any type of interest on him, and on top of that Vegeta has only one objective here, to defeat gaara

Nothing else
Also, gaara is stronger than him, his sand is full of chackra giving it power, why would the scouter not measure that?

Would he really bother using it tho?nappa was the one that used it on the z fighers and vegeta only used it when goku, a sayain, arrived

And like, if it wasnt for the fact that everyone was hyping goku up when they felt his ki, vegeta would probally not even checked his pl
 
Yeah he should upscalefrom Kidku why isn’t he in this fight? But I dont Think Gaara would be able to just trap vegeta easily with his sand

I’ll probably listen to both side arguments but I would think Vegeta should win if Gaara didn’t have the instinctive sand which is making me think a bit more
His profile's LS is listed as Unknown for some reason. Same goes for Z Goku and late OGDB Goku.
 
Again, assuming the sand would react to an attack that does not even travel is a nlf,that is like saying the sand would protect gaara from things like saitama's zero punch or itachi's genjutsu because both are attempts of attack
The sand would just move as Vegeta was preparing, like it does for other attacks.
Because vegeta were either flexing his power or his opps could somehow help him achieve his goals

Gaara is a human, so he will not have any type of interest on him, and on top of that Vegeta has only one objective here, to defeat gaara
And to conquer Earth. Remember, he's in character, and there's no evidence he starts fights with this in character.
Would he really bother using it tho?nappa was the one that used it on the z fighers and vegeta only used it when goku, a sayain, arrived

And like, if it wasnt for the fact that everyone was hyping goku uo when they felt his ki, vegeta would probally not even checked his pl
The original post assumes Vegeta checked his scouter.
 
Again, assuming the sand would react to an attack that does not even travel is a nlf
vegeta is preparing an attack, and as such it counts as an attack, so the sand would react to protect his body

that is like saying the sand would protect gaara from things like saitama's zero punch
tf is that?

or itachi's genjutsu because both are attempts of attack
mind attack and not body attack, so not really comparable

Because vegeta were either flexing his power or his opps could somehow help him achieve his goals
any proof that this is what he does against weaklings he is fighting? No example of such has been shown so far

sand has chakcra and as such would have a big enough power level for vegeta to not treat gaara as a low tier anyway

Gaara is a human, so he will not have any type of interest on him
scouter says hi

and on top of that Vegeta has only one objective here, to defeat gaara
Yeah, so he would check the scouter to see power level, so he would see how worth gaara is

Would he really bother using it tho?nappa was the one that did it against the z fighers and he only used it when goku, a sayain, arrived
he didn't do then because he knew that they could hide their power level, no reason for him to assume this here

This is a guy with floating sand arround him, he would be somewhat interested at least
 
His profile's LS is listed as Unknown for some reason. Same goes for Z Goku and late OGDB Goku.
I mean we could atleast use the lowest possible LS that is accepted for a lowball but idk

Also can Dirty Fireworks get past Gaara’s sand? The only thing I can think of is Vegeta trying to attack Gaara and Gaara just blocking with his sand and then eventually using Oozaru to overcome this
 
I mean we could atleast use the lowest possible LS that is accepted for a lowball but idk

Also can Dirty Fireworks get past Gaara’s sand?
I don't think so, the sand being there would keep Gaara out of target range(line of sight)
 
I mean we could atleast use the lowest possible LS that is accepted for a lowball but idk
Gaara is class G while dbs is class M, so dbz must be very outmatched is lifting

Also can Dirty Fireworks get past Gaara’s sand?
Not really, instinctive makes it block and explode the sand instead

The only thing I can think of is Vegeta trying to attack Gaara and Gaara just blocking with his sand and then eventually using Oozaru to overcome this
I mean, gaara can stop that from happening with his sand
 
With Gaara being fodder, what does he do to this? Telekinesis (He can use this to cause opponents to suddenly burst apart from the inside with an explosion)
 
I see

I see

makes sense

How is Gaara gonna stop him from turning Oozaru with sand?
Gaara has no knowledge of Saiyan physiology, so he wouldn't know about the tail being essential for Oozaru. But he can coat the artificial moon with sand to block the light.

If Gaara managed to shut down the power ball, Vegeta will be much weaker since creating the power ball weakens him.
 
Gaara has no knowledge of Saiyan physiology, so he wouldn't know about the tail being essential for Oozaru. But he can coat the artificial moon with sand to block the light.

If Gaara can managed to shut down the power ball, Vegeta will be much weaker since creating the power ball weakens him.
Wouldn’t there be a full moon out already due to SBA?

Time: The time and date are chosen in such a fashion that all characters are at their strongest. Paradoxes like it being night for one character, while being day for another are acceptable here. If extreme advantages are generated via this regulation to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.
 
Yeah Gaara's not blocking him from oozaru here. Same with being in a desert area to aid Gaara more.
 
Wouldn’t there be a full moon out already due to SBA?

Time: The time and date are chosen in such a fashion that all characters are at their strongest. Paradoxes like it being night for one character, while being day for another are acceptable here. If extreme advantages are generated via this regulation to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.
I don't know if that works with Naruto's moon. It's just a giant Chibaku Tensei, idk if it emits Blutz Waves.
 
Wouldn’t there be a full moon out already due to SBA? Time: The time and date are chosen in such a fashion that all characters are at their strongest. Paradoxes like it being night for one character, while being day for another are acceptable here. If extreme advantages are generated via this regulation to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.
Oh, Vegeta instantly starts as Oozaru?

Yeah this will be harder for Gaara. On the other hand he wouldn't use Dirty Fireworks as an Oozaru.

Gaara sand AP is 150 ZT while Oozaru Vegeta is 600 ZT. A 4x advantage.
I don't know if that works with Naruto's moon. It's just a giant Chibaku Tensei, idk if it emits Blutz Waves.
In GT Goku became a Super Saiyan 4 from Blutz waves coming from the earth. So any planetary body seems to suffice.
 
If SBA makes Vegeta immediately start with Oozaru I might make a Vegeta vs New Era SPSM Kurama Avatar Naruto later.

Nine-tailed fox vs giant monkey let's goooo
 
tf is that?
Saitama goes back in time and does this
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mind attack and not body attack, so not really comparable
Its an attack regardless, as you said yourself if its counts as an attack the sand will protect gaara from it

scouter says hi

Yeah, so he would check the scouter to see power level, so he would see how worth gaara is


he didn't do then because he knew that they could hide their power level, no reason for him to assume this here

This is a guy with floating sand arround him, he would be somewhat interested at least
If this vegeta knows that humans can hide their power levels,why would he not do this here?If anything he will have the same attitude towards gaara
any proof that this is what he does against weaklings he is fighting? No example of such has been shown so far
Sayain saga vegeta used it against the saibamen as soon it deemed it as something not worth his time, why would he not do the same here?

If he doesnt want to bother himself with gaara, why would he not just finish the fight asap?
 
Saitama goes back in time and does this
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Its an attack regardless, as you said yourself if its counts as an attack the sand will protect gaara from it
The sand will try to protect him from all attacks that can be detected, such as Vegeta moving his energy around and moving his hand to a highly specific position.
If this vegeta knows that humans can hide their power levels,why would he not do this here?If anything he will have the same attitude towards gaara
Read the OP, he literally used the scouter.
Sayain saga vegeta used it against the saibamen as soon it deemed it as something not worth his time, why would he not do the same here?
Because Gaara is an opponent, and Vegeta likes to play around. He killed the Saibaman because it was on his side and doing poorly.
If he doesnt want to bother himself with gaara, why would he not just finish the fight asap?
Why wouldn't he want to fight? That's his favorite thing.
 
He is big as an oozaru, but gaara can make an even bigger sand tsunami and suffocate him, or struggle, or seal him
In Oozaru Vegeta would be faster and iirc Oozarus can still fly and shoot energy blasts so he could just penetrate the sand and probably land a blast on Gaara that would kill him
 
The sand will try to protect him from all attacks that can be detected, such as Vegeta moving his energy around and moving his hand to a highly specific position.
Except none of this actually happens?He just points and boom, the only ernegy that can be detected here is the explosion, but until then its too late

But ye, op makes so vegeta knows his pl, which kinda shoots this argument down
 
Saitama goes back in time and does this
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Ok, definitely would protect in speed equal, or not if he is "reverse causality" whatever that means


Its an attack regardless, as you said yourself if its counts as an attack the sand will protect gaara from it
Yeah, the body, not the mind, the sand specifically protects gaara's body, not his mind

If this vegeta knows that humans can hide their power levels,why would he not do this here?If anything he will have the same attitude towards gaara
Aka not assume anything and test him first to see if he is worth it

Sayain saga vegeta used it against the saibamen as soon it deemed it as something not worth his time, why would he not do the same here?
he would test and see if gaara is worth his time, which he would see that he is and not use that

If he doesnt want to bother himself with gaara, why would he not just finish the fight asap?
Why would he have this attitude before testing him?
 
In Oozaru Vegeta would be faster and iirc Oozarus can still fly and shoot energy blasts so he could just penetrate the sand and probably land a blast on Gaara that would kill him
I still don't believe he'd be faster than Gaara though. Gaara could block attacks from guys that could scale to more than double the 2.11c
 
Also, Vegeta having a scouter suggests that this is before he fought on Earth
Yeah this Vegeta is before the earth invasion. Considering that post-Saiyan Saga Vegeta would be injured and immediately after that it will be Namek Vegeta which is a different key altogether.
 
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