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I know he's the world, but like, there were so many ways to write this, but he mentions the world too specifically to be talking about himself.
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Upgrade for the Gods ability. Maou Gakuin
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And why did the author not use “plan” instead of “plot/script,” if I may ask? The translations that Dereck introduced seem there is no term near to plan and he seems willing to use script/plot. World's plan sounds better than World's script or plot.
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Because plot also means that.
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- I didn't mean it in a wrong way. I was trying to point out him ignoring the statements.
- If this type of words not allowed sure my bad. I will correct it.
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Let me call him and ask, got him on speed dial.
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There's also this, he could just mention the word "plan" or something, and he could just mention himself "I", and there are several other ways of writing that everything is going according to his plan, besides the more, and revealed some Eques planning a few chapters earlier or later? If not, then he would totally miss the point of mentioning plan.
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Eques have been manipulating the Militia World ever since his birth.
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I still don't get it how this is refering to plan. Order is nowhere refered to as plan.
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I agree with this.
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No, it does not explicitly mean that. They can be used as synonyms. It is like saying endless means explicitly infinite. Yes, it can be used as synonyms, but it does not mean an exact “plan” definition. Again, he had mentioned theater once, so it is not far away he meant plot as the script.
Also, if you look at his characteristic, he is sadistic and ignorant. He would not bother saying it. He explicitly says the world's plot.
Your reasoning for him using other synonyms to mean a common English term in the language box is not convincing.
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I mean it's tell he manipulate the world, here you can do that whitout plot manip.
+ If i recall order are already treated as concept/law no? So you guy are telling that order are concept/law + plot now ?
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Why would that be an issue? Order is a verse mechanic that could be used to portray whatever the author wants in his story, it is his choice. I don’t see how this could be a point against PM.
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So Eques manipulated the world for years just for that?...He doesn't have anything better to do does he?
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Its clearly mentioned as gears of order. Also how do you manipulate the world.? He is the world itself. He has already killed many people even with being just will of the world which can't interfere with real world. How do you explain that ? How can he do those things especially for the misfit who exist outside the casuality of the world.
Order is everything in the verse. Laws and concepts, dualities and everything. But order is not fate. Whenever fate is introduced it clearly mentioned as fate manipulation.
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Yes, it can mean both things, I never denied that. I just think that with what we have rn, it points more to non-plothax than plothax. And the theater thing is from Dilfred btw, not Eques
Thats not really relevant and its not something provable anyway
That is the point of this thread rn isnt? We got two interpretations over what Eques actually meant with "plot" and the thread is now split. For you it might not be convincing but a lot of people think otherwise.
Its one thing to have a different interpretation of a statement. Another is to assume bad faith and deliberately accuse people of ignorance.
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Bcz it's like telling that the order of death is a plot? I mean seem quite weird to me. And as god embody order it would mean they embody plot which is clearly not the case here. As they can be affected by it and clearly distinct themself from it.
+ I recall that order are a thing that everyone should follow because their are the concept/law that represent everything in the world not bcz of the plot.
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The only order that would be affected is that of the Main God, the others are just following according to the plot/order.
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Bruh order in general is different from order in specific
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Tbh this is why i'm looking for ImZeroNull since he explained something about Eques and some other ***** about those things.
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Ok everyone, I’m going to bed. Keep it civil.
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"Do you think you have the upper hand? Thy power is swayed and swayed by thy surroundings. It means that you are ruled by order. And it is I who rule that order."
The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.
"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."
The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.
"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."
The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.
"Defeat."
The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.
In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.
"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."
An foreign order envelops me.
The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.
"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."
The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.
"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."
The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.
"Defeat."
The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.
In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.
"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."
An foreign order envelops me.
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The blog is online. You can check it
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Bcz it's need to be seperate. Not tell by the same person, not in the same context not for the same thing.
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Both are described by different characters what are you talking about now ? Really have even tried to read the OP correctly?
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Bruh it write by same author. Author dont need it saying by same person or anything to describe what he mean. In fact there are many verse upgrade use the piece by piece proof that they found, and it doesnt have to says by the same person or like that
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In the op, the one mentionned is the one tell by dilfred as an analogy, to explain to sasha why god unfairly treat human.
It has nothing to do with eques or with order being plot. It's just explaining something in a easier way for sasha to understand how god treat human
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Except it's was tell for a litteraly different thing.
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I still don't see how wrote & plot not considered as script. But qualifies for plan.
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outline; plot
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write
I still don't see how wrote & plot not considered as script. But qualifies for plan.
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outline; plot
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write
EldemadeDityjon
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- Dilpred makes the claim
- Anos later says the same thing in 7 chapters later.
- So much for analogy.
- Eques literally claims it as a script/, plot
Kanji uses refers to as write . Not planned.
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Bcz even in japanese it can be used like that.
演劇や小説などにおける物語の流れを指す場合の他に、事を思惑通りに進めるための想定・手段・進め方などを指す場合もある
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Don't see where in the novels it stated as assumption.
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Yeah it why you keep miss what i says. Because you keep seperating every scan
The context what they (the character) and me and another suppoters mean is order. They corresponding because they mean the order
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Dilfred don't make a claim, he explain something in a easier way for sasha to understand, he litteraly tell her he will change his word for her to understand.
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And nousgalia in this make a claim
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Yeah So we don't trust Anos words? Nice Shuu is just scribbling in his novels here and there for fun just to gets ignored then.
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