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@Theglassman12 arguments make more sense, this just sounds like a very strong fate hax. Disagree FRA
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Once again appealing to ignorance...you are not only appealing to ignorance...but now you are also being ignorant...very well then...@Dog3352 which you guys have failed to give any solid evidence that this is actual plot hax and not just more fate hax for order, so saying "once it's accepted" means jack shit here since I can easily say "once this is rejected no one's going to agree with this idea". So actually argue about the now, instead of what might happen.
Did you bother clicking on the link I sent where the kanji for plot also has "plan and scheme" in it? Because that's my proof that there's multiple meanings, which again goes back to my point. Prove that they literally mean the script/narrative being controlled. Prove to me that the order is treated like an actual storyboard the gods can rewrite on a whim, prove that they can control a literal theater that has some control over the entire world. If you cannot give these blatant examples to prove your point and just keep speculating then this isn't going to be accepted, simple as that.
this just sounds like a very strong fate hax. Disagree FRA
Your scans tells us otherwise because it all just sounds like fate hax. Not my fault the series didn't do a good job of making Order not related to fate.
I recommend deleting this...You sure it’s not cus a certain vampy boy won’t win if this goes through?
Edit:Sorry if this is toxic.
No, I said it. I will except the outcome.I recommend deleting this...
Courageous...No, I said it. I will except the outcome.
@EldemadeDityjon not a single thing you've quoted here remotely proves plot hax whatsoever, this is just more fate hax, not plot hax.
Users may be able to determine how things will proceed by writing into the plot what is going to happen (emulating fate, causality and/or probability manipulation).
Instead of saying it's fate manipulation why don't you people show me a single scans where order is referred to as fate.@Theglassman12 arguments make more sense, this just sounds like a very strong fate hax. Disagree FRA
"All according to plan of the world"I share the same sentiment as @Everything12, it sounds more like the characters talking about a plan or something similar, so count me in as disagreeing with the OP.
Yes."All according to plan of the world"
"All according to script of the world"
Man according you plan makes more sense right ?
I dont interpret anything here (in fact you guys who disagree that interpret so far, and i will says is will going out from the context that author want to write). Order literally stated by eques the will of the world it self is being the script, and also stated by God like dilfred the whole world is just a theater that follow the script(Order), if you says it only metaphor, then nousgalia statement counter you, nousgalia clearly mention about the theater things and he in the situation where he didnt even need to make a metaphor.@Fixxed That doesn't answer my question, nothing about your comment answered anything I've asked. You haven't given me solid evidence that these are tangible things that exist in MG, you haven't proven that they literally control these actual scripts and theatres with Order itself. Give me actual evidence of this instead of trying to interpret it one way, because the kanji/translation can interpret it as another.
No offense. But it seems not everyone is well versed in grammar.Yes.
I'm still learning the basics of English, and I know very well that it doesn't make any sense.Yes.
Sure if you don't have any Actual Refute and scans for what I asked feel free to use your assumption and headcanon.@EldemadeDityjon So no attempt to prove that the theatres and script thing are a tangible thing? Good to know this discussion was worth it and not a waste of time.
Just so some one says some character needs to win doesn't mean they are wrong unlike you who haven't provided a single scans of order = plot I have already gave you many explanation. Sure ignore it like you want. Also feel free to show me a screenshot of me saying anywhere I was biased and I am trying to make the fate manipulation as plot manipulation. It is just you are trying to brush off your burden by calling others biasedIf I were to be much harsher and remove the bolded votes by people who flat out confirmed to be biased on this upgrade just because they want a character to win, and not because of the legitimacy of the arguments
It's s not like Wiki lacks any staffs. We will try to contact other staff no need to just close this. If you disagree sure we will keep that as disgree.this drops down to a 6 votes, meaning it's outnumbered 2:1. This plot hax has been rejected, more staff members disagreed to this, move on to the causality stuff, then I'm going to close this thread once the probability stuff gets accepted.
Seem very touchy about me bringing up Dracula, no one deny’s that he was the one who got MG supporters searching for plot manip, But YOU SAYING ORDER IS JUST FATE MANIP WHEN ITS BEEN STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT IT IS NOT THE SAME THING, gets me questioning about motive. Also, I’m on Dracula's side I want anos to lose since it’s not gonna happen in verse, I just don’t think you should gate keep an ability due to bias.@Dog3352 no, you're the ignorant one for not bothering to read the link I've sent you where the kanji has different meanings here. How about clicking on that for once and address the argument instead of pretending it doesn't exist, because saying "we're ignorant" isn't enough.
Everything rotates according to his order is the most flowery language for fate hax I've ever seen. The fact he's talking about dictating others and controlling them makes it very clear he's talking about fate hax and not plot hax since he isn't doing any of the blatant showings for plot hax.
wow, congratulations on bringing up a random line I already tackled which debunks plot hax when they literally say it seems to be the stage instead of it being a literal stage. Totally great argument here.
@WarbleComeBack thanks for the appeal to motive fallacy here, that totally debunks literally everything I've ever said and totally cannot be applied to your end where so many folks only want this so they can stomp someone. If you wanna accuse someone of being biased, how about you check your own side first before attempting to throw shade, because you are doing a very shit job here of making your arguments legit.
@EldemadeDityjon So no attempt to prove that the theatres and script thing are a tangible thing? Good to know this discussion was worth it and not a waste of time.
@Fixxed Yes you are interpreting things here, especially when you don't prove your case with evidence to suggest the plot is being warped in a literal sense here. Never said to be just a theatre, literally everything about the theatre description is so metaphorical with no elaboration on it being literal that plot hax ain't happening here. Also that's not how plot hax works here, for an ability as specific as that you'd need actual showings of plot hax happening as it can be interpreted in many other ways.
Anyways I've counted the total votes here, and I'm being generous and including the one time comment votes.
Agree: 8 (Eldemadydityjon, dread, warblecomeback, Gustitalk12, oberon, accelerator, Yopercy, wwereymy235)
Disagree: 14 (Mad dog of Fujiwara, Theglassman12, deonment, Blackcurrant91, Oblivion of the Endless, Regidian, Everything12, Lugh Tuathe De, Zencha9, KntolRicat, Naitodesu, Vietthai96, Shmooply, Catpija)
Neutral: 5 (Overlord THE END, Dereck03, Shadow Somnius, Caduz213, Actuallyspaceman)
If I were to be much harsher and remove the bolded votes by people who flat out confirmed to be biased on this upgrade just because they want a character to win, and not because of the legitimacy of the arguments this drops down to a 6 votes, meaning it's outnumbered 2:1. This plot hax has been rejected, more staff members disagreed to this, move on to the causality stuff, then I'm going to close this thread once the probability stuff gets accepted.
Where it stated as order = fate . In which of my scan he pointed out order = fate ?Why are you asking for scans when they're using your own scan against you?????
You continue with the same argument, and that's not what Eques is talking about, Eques says that everything that happens in the world happens according to your order, but he's not talking about the future, and he's not talking about controlling others, and much less of limiting people to a predetermined destination. And Eques never used the wheel of fate in the militia world, which is the world he is mentioning in his speech. He says that everything that happens in Militia World is according to his order, not in the future, but literally everything, he is not talking about the ability where he can control the Gods and use their orders, or limit a person to a destiny. predetermined, let alone control people. And as I've said before, I'm not ignoring the fact that the word "plot" has other meanings, and the fourth time I'm going to ask this, could you please show me proof that by mentioning "plot" Eques is mentioning a "plan"? Besides, the Militia World doesn't think.@Dog3352 no, you're the ignorant one for not bothering to read the link I've sent you where the kanji has different meanings here. How about clicking on that for once and address the argument instead of pretending it doesn't exist, because saying "we're ignorant" isn't enough.
Everything rotates according to his order is the most flowery language for fate hax I've ever seen. The fact he's talking about dictating others and controlling them makes it very clear he's talking about fate hax and not plot hax since he isn't doing any of the blatant showings for plot hax.
wow, congratulations on bringing up a random line I already tackled which debunks plot hax when they literally say it seems to be the stage instead of it being a literal stage. Totally great argument here.
Dies of DeathYes.
I am still waiting. Can you show me where he explicitly refuted my argument with my own scans ?Why are you asking for scans when they're using your own scan against you?????
I got you it’s this quote right here:I am still waiting. Can you show me where he explicitly refuted mu argument with my own scans ?
You said he refuted me with my own scans right where ?
All I see you people arguing with your own belief where we are arguing with the narrative. I will be waiting for you to show me an actual refute be made against me with my own scan
I am really curious where he pointed out order = fate
First you repeat the same argument over and over again...secondly...you call me ignorant and say I'm ignoring the fact that the word "plot" has other meanings...even though I clearly mentioned it in my previous comments ...and thirdly you simply try to gain knowledge about a speech without even having read the chapter...totally distorting the real meaning of Eques' speech...fourth you basically ignore the fact that anyone like me...Eldemade ...or Fixxed...any of us easily have a lot more knowledge of Eques and MGK than you do...and try to distort the character's lines without even knowing what the character is talking about....you can't just say that Eques is mentioning something without knowing... if you don't know what's going on there... don't just try to argue as if you know...don't use your own beliefs about what is happening to refute the speech...@Dog3352 no, you're the ignorant one for not bothering to read the link I've sent you where the kanji has different meanings here. How about clicking on that for once and address the argument instead of pretending it doesn't exist, because saying "we're ignorant" isn't enough.
Everything rotates according to his order is the most flowery language for fate hax I've ever seen. The fact he's talking about dictating others and controlling them makes it very clear he's talking about fate hax and not plot hax since he isn't doing any of the blatant showings for plot hax.
wow, congratulations on bringing up a random line I already tackled which debunks plot hax when they literally say it seems to be the stage instead of it being a literal stage. Totally great argument here.
Thank you for your cooperation on this CRTI agree, the context is very clear, I don't understand why @Theglassman12 why does he equate fate and plot, when the two have different capabilities,
Recount +2 agree, arzzz kinda sus tho, 3 msg’s since jun9thAgree: 8 (Eldemadydityjon, dread, warblecomeback, Gustitalk12, oberon, accelerator, Yopercy, wwereymy235)
Disagree: 14 (Mad dog of Fujiwara, Theglassman12, deonment, Blackcurrant91, Oblivion of the Endless, Regidian, Everything12, Lugh Tuathe De, Zencha9, KntolRicat, Naitodesu, Vietthai96, Shmooply, Catpija)
Neutral: 5 (Overlord THE END, Dereck03, Shadow Somnius, Caduz213, Actuallyspaceman)
It’s (including the recent 2) 10 agree, 14 disagree, 5 Neutral.I like how we are only acknowledging people that agree and not the plethora of people that disagree. We should really be keeping tally of votes.
I like how half the comments agreeing aren't even in readable english.I agree for plot manipulation too, as it is clear that it should be considered as plot not a plan it doesn't even prove how it is a plan at all
I agree for plot manipulation too, as it is clear that it should be considered as plot not a plan it doesn't even prove how it is a plan at all
These have to be alts no?I agree, the context is very clear, I don't understand why @Theglassman12 why does he equate fate and plot, when the two have different capabilities,
That is perfectly readable you must be on something. Oh wait aren’t you the guy that hates anos supporters?I like how half the comments agreeing aren't even in readable english.
This is literally Fate Manipulation that works via script. This is extremely clear cut. Yes I am ready for Anos fanboys to jump on this comment.
It's really not considering Anos stans behavior in this thread+every upgrade thread.
I like how people are Ignorant and can't bring up an actual refute.I like how we are only acknowledging people that agree and not the plethora of people that disagree. We should really be keeping tally of votes.
My English is not good,as I am from french so I am sorry if it's badI like how half the comments agreeing aren't even in readable english.
Right, right, after all, the translation is still "plot", so I'm not sure if that's really important, and as Satoshi said, so far they've never sent a single supporting evidence to prove that by mentioning "plot" Eques was actually mentioning "plan".I like how half the comments agreeing aren't even in readable english.
It was fine.My English is not good,as I am from french so I am sorry if it's bad
Can we not act like people who are disagreeing are doing so without any valid reasons? because right now more people disagree then agree so...Right, right, after all, the translation is still "plot", so I'm not sure if that's really important, and as Satoshi said, so far they've never sent a single supporting evidence to prove that by mentioning "plot" Eques was actually mentioning "plan".
And besides, there's no need for that kind of comments.