Ti58
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I think the Angel is the player.
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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD
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I think the Angel is the player.
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I agree, but that video concerns more with "Who do the people in-universe think the angel is"?
What is the origin story the characters know? That the festival covers?
I think it gave some interesting answers.
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I forget, what are the pretenses of that theory?
In theory, there's at least 1 timeline, or 3 variations of it (SAVE files.) at the least.
There may also be some concerns about Reality-Fiction Transcendence.
Reality-Fiction Transcendence
It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...
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"Reality Equalization as a concept equalizes the 'baseline reality' to be the reality that is most prominent within the story, being treated as a normal 3-D reality. For verses that mostly take place in an in-universe video game or story, this would logically allow the characters who exist beyond that world to be Tier 2 or above, even if they are mostly normal humans otherwise.
However, this is not the case for every setting. In certain situations, we would not grant a R>F Transcendence to those who exist in the 'real world' compared to the game. Whether we do or not, it has to do with the perspective of the story.
For the R>F transcendence to be indexed, the portrayal of the transcendence must be taken into account. If the transcendence is treated as sufficiently portrayed and is important to the story (i.e. being the literal author of the world with complete control over it), then it's valid. If it is not sufficiently portrayed as transcendence compared to the fictional world, then we would not index it as such and would simply tier it as if no R>F transcendence was involved."
Ti58
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the relevant part is that Deltarune is a metafiction story with multiple layers.
The first layer is obviously reality, then there's the DEVICE/PROGRAM layer that connects what's real to what's fake, the light world layer, the dark world and the hypothetical darker than dark layer.
Ti58
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and (I think) if R>F transcendence applies, then Gaster should scale to 1-A, the Angel is then also 1-A due to being of similar power and the player is high 1-A
I don't really agree that Gaster is on a higher plane of existence than the others or whatever but it is true in DEVICE theory
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We have news! Sort of....
"We got the new version of LTS but for some reason it's not recognizing saved files in specific scenarios when using game_change. Waiting on a response now.
Working on Ch5 everyday.
Was planning on having the next newsletter in late December."
So LTS is working with most stuff, but not for game_change.
I'm presuming this could mean problems like stuff from one chapter not carrying over to another when using game_change.
The fact that Toby is posting on Twitter while waiting for a response suggests he has a lot of time, as though GM support is slow &/or very busy.
Of course, that post is from October 26th, & his last post in that thread is from October 11th, it could be he's refraining from saying much very often.
Also, IIRC, in the September Newsletter, he said he didn't have much to do, but now he's said he's working on Chapter 5 everyday. So I guess he just took a break. (I think I recall something about Toby having carpal tunnel or something?) (Though, that would make the BlueSky posts supposedly from him weird. Would he really be making & posting ASCII dog/roast chicken art & animations with musical remixes when he's working on a major project every day?)
& perhaps the biggest tragedy is the next newsletter being in "late December". Nothing until Christmas/New Years?!
No Halloween nor Thanksgiving?!
Though, my optimist side says the wording -"Was planning on having" is past tense- suggests plans have changed, & maybe he'll be making the next newsletter at a different date, like an earlier one.
What do you all think?
"We got the new version of LTS but for some reason it's not recognizing saved files in specific scenarios when using game_change. Waiting on a response now.
Working on Ch5 everyday.
Was planning on having the next newsletter in late December."
So LTS is working with most stuff, but not for game_change.
I'm presuming this could mean problems like stuff from one chapter not carrying over to another when using game_change.
The fact that Toby is posting on Twitter while waiting for a response suggests he has a lot of time, as though GM support is slow &/or very busy.
Of course, that post is from October 26th, & his last post in that thread is from October 11th, it could be he's refraining from saying much very often.
Also, IIRC, in the September Newsletter, he said he didn't have much to do, but now he's said he's working on Chapter 5 everyday. So I guess he just took a break. (I think I recall something about Toby having carpal tunnel or something?) (Though, that would make the BlueSky posts supposedly from him weird. Would he really be making & posting ASCII dog/roast chicken art & animations with musical remixes when he's working on a major project every day?)
& perhaps the biggest tragedy is the next newsletter being in "late December". Nothing until Christmas/New Years?!
No Halloween nor Thanksgiving?!
Though, my optimist side says the wording -"Was planning on having" is past tense- suggests plans have changed, & maybe he'll be making the next newsletter at a different date, like an earlier one.
What do you all think?
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I think 2024 believers lost. Game is only coming out in 2025.
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Assuming "was planning" -Past tense- doesn't mean Toby's changed the planned date for the newsletter to be earlier this year.
In theory, he still has all of November & December, 2 whole months & then some to get LTS game_change fully working, & while they wait for Yoyogame's responses, they have testing & localization ongoing.
Plus, he said "but for some reason it's not recognizing saved files in specific scenarios".
That it's malfunctioning in specific scenarios suggests it IS working in others, non-specific scenarios especially.
Which may mean there's only a few specific bugs to fix & it's fine otherwise.
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Another [[Ice-Cream Maker]] attempts to defeat [[THE POWER OF NEO]] (2-0-0)
As mentioned in the last Deltarune VS thread involving Ice King I made, I was originally going to make a Spamton vs Ice King match but decided to wait and see if I wanted to make this match depending on how that thread went. And after seeing how it went and some consideration, I think it’s time...
Had this thread going for a while but anyone interested?
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Welp Toby just said on Twitter that 3-4 are 100% coming in 2025.
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Posting for context:
Also, ARGH....
For those who can't read it:
tobyfox, October 31st, 12:01 AM:
"I'm very eager to show you what we've made since 6 years ago.
Chapter 3&4 will 100% come out in 2025.
The specific time is still relying on localization and console porting.
Please hear me clawing at the door trying to escape the shallow coffin I have been buried in."
It also sounds like he feels localization & console porting are what are causing it to take so long... as opposed to the seemingly still-ongoing months long wait for game_change to be functional with the help of YYG/GameMaker?
Toby also posted some Halloween art (at 12:00 exactly.) made by Temmie:
Man, Toby really loves this season, to be posting Halloween stuff on Twitter exactly as soon as Halloween starts, eh, huh?
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I was watching this very, very interesting theory and....
It brought up this.
I have to live with this cursed knowledge, & now, so do you.
Pictured below, my honest-to-goodness reaction:
VVV
I swear to goodness, this image took longer to get than actually watching the theory did.
It brought up this.
I have to live with this cursed knowledge, & now, so do you.
Pictured below, my honest-to-goodness reaction:
VVV
I swear to goodness, this image took longer to get than actually watching the theory did.
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Do you mean to say that no such Gaster Knight fans see that?
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Another [[Ice-Cream Maker]] attempts to defeat [[THE POWER OF NEO]] (2-0-0)
As mentioned in the last Deltarune VS thread involving Ice King I made, I was originally going to make a Spamton vs Ice King match but decided to wait and see if I wanted to make this match depending on how that thread went. And after seeing how it went and some consideration, I think it’s time...vsbattles.com
Had this thread going for a while but anyone interested?
Revenge is Best Served Cold, on a Winter Holiday: Mr. Freeze (DCAU) vs Noelle Holiday (Deltarune) (0-0-0)
Oh god I hope this isn’t a big stomp, because both could use more matches, especially Freeze Mr. Freeze (DCAU) vs Noelle Holiday (Deltarune) Two tragic characters who happen to ice to their advantage duke it out Rules: -Both are 9-A -Neither will be allowed to use anything above 9-A...
Deltarune battles to cope with the game not coming out until 2025 or longer
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Best deltarune theory I have ever seen.
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Undertale Monsters Downgrade + Additional abilities for many characters
UT Additional abilities for characters The profiles are outdated so we need to update them. Flowey should have Aura and Social Influencing for the same reason Frisk has, due to MERCY emanating an aura of peaceful Determination, which will cause any opponent that is unsure of their desire to...
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BTW, after the spite CRT Shion made on Spamton, I decided to make overhauled P&A on Spamton and Jevil, as rn they're just scanless trash:
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StrymULTRA/Spammy
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StrymULTRA/Jebiru
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This changes pretty much every calc for the verse, btw. Up to y'all.
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When the Self-Sustenance linked back to Tasque Manager, I honestly expected more than just like, "robot so no human needs"
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I did not make that profile ngl.
I'd be fine with removing it if other robots don't have it on Wiki
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I don't disbelieve you, but just to be sure, when are these times?
Ti58
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true, but i think the old calcs should still accurate for the most part, some values would need to be changed slighty but still
Ralsei tells Kris that he's "short too" in Chapter 2 (and he's actually taller than Kris too)
Also a NPC in Town Hall calls them short.
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The tiniest change can cause magnitudes of difference for the result, remember this.
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We don't make Diego and Dio in the same profile, we don't make Archie and Game Sonic the same profile, etc.
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Y'all consider this an exception in my hiatus
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Deltarune - General revisions
Gonna make this quick given I got that extra hour, as other CRTs for this verse are dead, so might tackle all of them in one: Spamton and Jevil revisions These 2 profiles are scanless to the point is scary and bad, especially given that they're easily the most iconic characters of DR. Spamton...
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Well, it is technically Undertale/Deltarune-related, & posted by Toby Fox & made by Fangamer....
Merch ain't my thing, whether I'm saddened by lack of Lightner merch or not, but maybe it's something y'all will be keen on?
tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)
It's Black Friday at Fangamer! https://www.fangamer.com/collections/new-and-featured?utm_campaign=bf24-launch-utdr&utm_source=bsky That means new UTDR merch, old merch on sale, and gift codes if you buy a certain amount! (I'm sure you're surprised... but yes, finally... you can buy a robe...
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By the way, shout outs to Blue Sky, where Toby Fox also posts, & you don't (currently) need an account to view a post's replies, unlike at least ONE CERTAIN WEBSITE I know of!
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Well, it is technically Undertale/Deltarune-related, & posted by Toby Fox & made by Fangamer....
Merch ain't my thing, whether I'm saddened by lack of Lightner merch or not, but maybe it's something y'all will be keen on?
tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)
It's Black Friday at Fangamer! https://www.fangamer.com/collections/new-and-featured?utm_campaign=bf24-launch-utdr&utm_source=bsky That means new UTDR merch, old merch on sale, and gift codes if you buy a certain amount! (I'm sure you're surprised... but yes, finally... you can buy a robe...
By the way, shout outs to Blue Sky, where Toby Fox also posts, & you don't (currently) need an account to view a post's replies, unlike at least ONE CERTAIN WEBSITE I know of!
Kris=Chara truthers got yet another W with that t-shirt and its description.
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How was just now the time that I recalled/realized that the merch has official descriptions on Fangamer?!
Do we consider merch descriptions as relevant for canon?
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They aren't canon, but they're good to know how Toby thinks of things.
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AAA
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....Okay, probably not actually relevant for VsDebating purposes, because this version is just meant to test if GameChange works; Any differences this build has would be unintentional.
But still!
tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)
Good evening. We are preparing a new build for DELTARUNE Chapter 1+2 using the latest version of GameMaker LTS. Next Monday, you can help us test if you are interested. (11/25 USA time) Ideally, there are no changes from the current version. (We are testing to make sure that is the case...)
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....Okay, probably not actually relevant for VsDebating purposes, because this version is just meant to test if GameChange works; Any differences this build has would be unintentional.
But still!
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Undertale Speed Downgrade
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chara Massively Hypersonic+ while using Frisk's body (Killed Sans without giving him a chance to react) Except Chara... didn't. Like in the scan given Sans blatantly reacts if you look at his facial expression, he just sucks dick at dodging consecutive...
