UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Ti58]

Spamton NEO does attack using soundwaves.

But these aren't soundwaves though. They're projectiles not literal soundwaves. Again the battle box uses the same scale as things outside it, confirmed canon many times. Alternatively during these attacks everything is slowed down which also isn't the case since the BIG SHOT consistently moves at the exact same speed during all Spamton NEO attacks.

altho this attack might give Spamton NEO shapeshifting (partial transformation) due to him changing his hands into phones there

 

[StrymULTRA]

But Shyren kinda also does, so ehh

Tbh they're notes that don't exactly behave like actually sound, so there's benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Ti58]

Tbh they're notes that don't exactly behave like actually sound, so there's benefit of the doubt here.

Neither do the Spamton NEO projectiles. Honestly they behave more like Shyren's notes than they do like real sound.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Neither do the Spamton NEO projectiles. Honestly they behave more like Shyren's notes than they do like real sound.

Wym they don't?

They're literally from a phone. More clear than this...

But you also said that Asriel is Relativistic at best once iirc so I'm not gonna take you that seriously lol.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean, the City Block Flowey got accepted in the middle of 10 Wall to Small Building calculations
So we can still do it

A lil' update:

The gap between the highest 9-A feat and the 8-B calc is x219.26

Instead the gap here is x80,237.36

Kinda a bit higher isn't it?

 

[Ti58]

Wym they don't?

They're literally from a phone. More clear than this...

They're from a phone but they aren't real soundwaves, they're darkner projectiles meant to resemble soundwaves. Darkner projectiles work like that. Alternatively Spamton can manipulate soundwaves and make them move at normal speeds and look like they do and other stuff which also works.

But you also said that Asriel is Relativistic at best once iirc so I'm not gonna take you that seriously lol.

No I never said that

 

[StrymULTRA]

They're from a phone but they aren't real soundwaves, they're darkner projectiles meant to resemble soundwaves. Darkner projectiles work like that. Alternatively Spamton can manipulate soundwaves and make them move at normal speeds and look like they do and other stuff which also works.

Are you perhaps saying that the whole of DR is at like human speeds? That's a claim indeed.

No I never said that

You kinda did tho.

 

[Ti58]

Are you perhaps saying that the whole of DR is at like human speeds? That's a claim indeed.

I find that much more reasonable than saying many DR characters can just travel at near light speeds tbh

You kinda did tho.

That's Frisk not Asriel.

 

[Ti58]

Hey btw has anyone tried calculating Queen's speed in her chair? She seems to move pretty fast sometimes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I find that much more reasonable than saying many DR characters can just travel at near light speeds tbh

Rn you're going against them being even Supersonic.

That's Frisk not Asriel.

And Asriel got his speed via scaling by who?

 

[Ti58]

Rn you're going against them being even Supersonic.

Yeah

And Asriel got his speed via scaling by who?

those are exploding stars, and exploding stars are supernovae, and supernova ejectra travels at around 0.1c

 

[Theuser789]

Ye. People around Starlo's level are 9-A+ and those who upscale from Axis are 8-C. Everyone gets a "possibly High 8-C" for the Dunebud trailer feat tho

Oh damn. Didn't expect to see stats so close to canon.

 

[Ti58]

Yeah

Wait nevermind there's a few exceptions

Jevil, GIGA Queen and the X-Slash attack i think (not necessarily hypersonic but really fast)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah

Please I wanna see you try to downgrade them here, just so you'll learn your lesson, because come on.

those are exploding stars, and exploding stars are supernovae, and supernova ejectra travels at around 0.1c

Actually both Frisk and Asriel are Immeasurable (plus calling star-shaped bullets that are barely bigger than Frisk's SOUL actual stars is just stupid):

Immeasurable with Peak Determination (Dodged attacks from Asriel Dreemurr, and was able to outrun and dodge Asriel's Hyper Goner, an attack that can purge and consume an entire timeline[2][note 2])

Immeasurable (His "Hyper Goner" attack can erase an entire timeline, and Asriel can keep up against Frisk who was able to outrun said attack[note 2])

 

[Ti58]

Also from what I calculated by comparing GIGA Queen head to the others and then comparing her head to the rest of her body she's actually around 20 m instead and not over 60. This is also consistent with this calculation here

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also from what I calculated by comparing GIGA Queen head to the others and then comparing her head to the rest of her body she's actually around 20 m instead and not over 60. This is also consistent with this calculation here

I'd prefer a direct scaling using her whole body rather than just putting together pieces from unrelated scenes, given the game's graphics, no offense.

 

[Ti58]

Actually both Frisk and Asriel are Immeasurable (plus calling star-shaped bullets that are barely bigger than Frisk's SOUL actual stars is just stupid):

Immeasurable with Peak Determination (Dodged attacks from Asriel Dreemurr, and was able to outrun and dodge Asriel's Hyper Goner, an attack that can purge and consume an entire timeline[2][note 2])

Immeasurable (His "Hyper Goner" attack can erase an entire timeline, and Asriel can keep up against Frisk who was able to outrun said attack[note 2])

yeah i know and i agree with this now

i never thought these bullets are actual stars (they don't even look like actual stars) but to be fair things like Knight Knight attacks do count as actual metheors

altho not every Asriel attack is necessarily immeasurable speed, Hyper Goner def is

 

[StrymULTRA]

altho not every Asriel attack is necessarily immeasurable speed, Hyper Goner def is

They are tho. given that they're all displayed as comparable, as otherwise Frisk would perceive every attack that's not the HG as literally immobile.

 

[Ti58]

I'd prefer a direct scaling using her whole body rather than just putting together pieces from unrelated scenes, given the game's graphics, no offense.

Using this image

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/deltarune/images/7/7b/GIGA_Queen_battle_missile.png/revision/latest?cb=20220213052338

and comparing it to the view when she first appears (with only her head) gives roughly the same result

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is the 8-B calc wrong?

After learning two things about elevators, I can say that the 8-B is super inflated and is not reflecting how Elevators are irl at all.

I got it at 8-C so MHS+ is still ok.

 

[Monsters_fight]

After learning two things about elevators, I can say that the 8-B is super inflated and is not reflecting how Elevators are irl at all.

I got it at 8-C so MHS+ is still ok.

 

[Monsters_fight]

After learning two things about elevators, I can say that the 8-B is super inflated and is not reflecting how Elevators are irl at all.

I got it at 8-C so MHS+ is still ok.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'll explain better when the calc is done (take it as also a engineering lesson).

 

[Monsters_fight]

I'll explain better when the calc is done (take it as also a engineering lesson).

Dont forget if Flowey´s feat becomes 8-C, you´ll have to recalculate the power of all monsters again for Photoshop Flowey

 

[StrymULTRA]

Dont forget if Flowey´s feat becomes 8-C, you´ll have to recalculate the power of all monsters again for Photoshop Flowey

You talk as if that's hard lmfao.

Plus you talk about Immense DT Frisk, P. Flowey is Low 2-C.

 

[Monsters_fight]

P. Flowey is Low 2-C.

I forgot about that.

 

[Abscoolguy]

following after finally finishing ut today lol.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'll be announce here that by this moment I'll be off this Wikia for an indeterminate amount of time.

The reason behind this decision is due to it genuinely having taken too much of my time generally and it became one of the keys behind my procrastination, which is genuinely unacceptable for my life. Talking about the same stuff over and over is tiring, as well as debating here. The recent stuff behind the new 1-A standards are the main reason on why I am leaving, can't bother with a place that fundamentally disagrees with me, ain't it?

Maybe I'll return, maybe not, who knows. But if it's the former, it'll be surely not soon. Last thing I'll think to do is to finish the Sans CRT and that's it.

EDIT: I know it sounds sudden, but it's something I have been considering to do since early September after that I was done with Bill Cipher's hax. Maaaaybe I'll give my shot in the final GF cosmology revisions, but that'll be it, really.

 

[Monsters_fight]

I'll be announce here that by this moment I'll be off this Wikia for an indeterminate amount of time.

The reason behind this decision is due to it genuinely having taken too much of my time generally and it became one of the keys behind my procrastination, which is genuinely unacceptable for my life. Talking about the same stuff over and over is tiring, as well as debating here. The recent stuff behind the new 1-A standards are the main reason on why I am leaving, can't bother with a place that fundamentally disagrees with me, ain't it?

Maybe I'll return, maybe not, who knows. But if it's the former, it'll be surely not soon. Last thing I'll think to do is to finish the Sans CRT and that's it.

Hope you get better soon

 

[Imaginym]

I'll be announce here that by this moment I'll be off this Wikia for an indeterminate amount of time.

The reason behind this decision is due to it genuinely having taken too much of my time generally and it became one of the keys behind my procrastination, which is genuinely unacceptable for my life. Talking about the same stuff over and over is tiring, as well as debating here. The recent stuff behind the new 1-A standards are the main reason on why I am leaving, can't bother with a place that fundamentally disagrees with me, ain't it?

Maybe I'll return, maybe not, who knows. But if it's the former, it'll be surely not soon. Last thing I'll think to do is to finish the Sans CRT and that's it.

EDIT: I know it sounds sudden, but it's something I have been considering to do since early September after that I was done with Bill Cipher's hax. Maaaaybe I'll give my shot in the final GF cosmology revisions, but that'll be it, really.

Farewell.

Ultimately, what happens/matters is having your health & happiness. This is just a hobby, & taking a break is totally reasonable.
Heck, sometimes, people ultimately abandon their hobbies, as sad as that can be sometimes. Rest assured, though, I'm not rooting for you to abandon VS Debating. I'm glad for your enthusiasm & presence.

But I'd like to think we're friends, or on friendly terms, at least. So if you want or need to stop, for whoever or whatever or however long that is, I understand.

Best wishes!

Not that you need to come back, but I wonder if a Halloween Newsletter will bring you back.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Farewell.

Ultimately, what happens is having your health & happiness. This is just a hobby, & taking a break is totally reasonable.
Heck, sometimes, people ultimately abandon their hobbies, as sad as that can be sometimes. Rest assured, though, I'm not rooting for you to abandon VS Debating. I'm glad for your enthusiasm & presence.

But I'd like to think we're friends, or on friendly terms, at least. So if you want or need to stop, for whoever that is, I understand.

Best wishes!

Can’t add anything to it, couldn’t say better myself. I share the same thoughts.

 

[Imaginym]

UNDERTALE / DELTARUNE (@undertale.com)

The official Bluesky Account for UNDERTALE http://undertale.com And DELTARUNE http://deltarune.com

bsky.app

I've read claims that you can only set a handle to a website if you own that website, implying this is official.
Some people have been going to BlueSky over Twitter due to controversy regarding Twitter.

So may be worth watching this page.

Though, this one is also argued to be real.

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

Poasting roast chicken every day until everyone knows it's me

bsky.app

Because only Toby Fox would regularly post roast chicken.

Edit: There's also this:

UNDERTALE / DELTARUNE (@undertale.jp)

UNDERTALEとDELTARUNEの公式アカウントです。サポートにつきましては、こちらまでお問合せください。[email protected]

bsky.app

 

[Imaginym]

For those unwilling or unable to check that link:


tobyfox
@tobyfox
·
Oct 11

Ch3 JP loc QA is almost complete.

A professional team will begin testing the PC version of Chapter 3 next Tuesday.

We are waiting on the next Gamemaker LTS hotfix update to do public testing of Chapter 1+2. (Heard it's soon...?) When it comes out I'll stop using this thread.


Since that post was made October 11th, it seems to be our most recent news.

There are professionals testing Deltarune, who, as of today, will be finishing their 1st week of testing Deltarune chapter 3 on PC.

"Public testing" for Chapter 1+2 of GameMaker's LTS hotfix update....
Does that mean a new version of 1+2 is coming out?
How will it differ?

Toby saying he'll stop using this thread is intrigueing, too.

 

[Theuser789]

Yes. Toby will release a new version of Chapter 1+2 to test GameMaker's new feature of executing multiple .exe files. It was supposed to come out in July, and it's STILL not out.

 

[Imaginym]

Yes. Toby will release a new version of Chapter 1+2 to test GameMaker's new feature of executing multiple .exe files. It was supposed to come out in July, and it's STILL not out.

I asked about.

Apparently, Game_Change is out. Has been for a year & a half... but not yet for GameMaker's LTS (Long Term Service) version, which the DR team seem interested in using.

Game_Change is in the Normal Monthly Releases, but not the LTS version.

Plus, they wanted to do simeultaneous release of English & Japanese for both PC & consoles, & they've still got Chapter 4 to do.

My understanding it's a function called game_change that allows you to switch between games, so they will create chapters as if they were separate games, for organization purposes.
& apparently the 1+2 Public Testing is for this feature.

This freaking Game Change feature.... I get why we need it, but it's taking an eternity, & feels like it's dragging everything down with the weight of its wait.

 

[Ti58]

okay, so wait.

Deltarune and Undertale are both their own worlds containing their own sets of timelines.

God of Hyperdeath Asriel (strongest UTDR character) is only able to affect Undertale timelines, afaik.

These two verses (as well as the DEPTHS) are however connected. Most obvious piece of evidence is Clam Girl, who directly references Susie Deltarune. Gaster mentions that we have been looking for him on twitter before deltarune release. Sans and Papyrus are implied to be immigrants from Deltarune in Undertale.

The player canonically transcends that cosmology, they are real, they are outside. They also remember things that happened in Undertale in Deltarune (jukebox dialogue, sans dialogue etc.).

Doesn't that place the player above 2-B or am I stupid?

 

[Ti58]

Okay, so here's something I made on the cosmology and the player. Thoughts?

 

[Imaginym]

Okay, so here's something I made on the cosmology and the player. Thoughts?

Seems reasonable, at least at the time I'm reading this.
IDK if it'll change later in the future, but for now, I see no issue with what I've seen.
No offense meant.

 

[Ti58]

Deltarune and Undertale cosmology + the player

Okay, so I recently made a thing Here are the conclusions I reached: Undertale and Deltarune are a part of one verse (although they are different multiverses) Due to Reality-Fiction transcedence, the Undertale/Deltarune player scales above the UTDR verse via being real. Said verse contains some...

vsbattles.com

Made it into a thread

 

[Imaginym]

Probably 1 of the shortest theories I've seen so far. Basically pure speculation, but thoughts all?