UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Ti58]

Spamton NEO does attack using soundwaves.

But these aren't soundwaves though. They're projectiles not literal soundwaves. Again the battle box uses the same scale as things outside it, confirmed canon many times. Alternatively during these attacks everything is slowed down which also isn't the case since the BIG SHOT consistently moves at the exact same speed during all Spamton NEO attacks.

altho this attack might give Spamton NEO shapeshifting (partial transformation) due to him changing his hands into phones there

 

[StrymULTRA]

But Shyren kinda also does, so ehh

Tbh they're notes that don't exactly behave like actually sound, so there's benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Ti58]

Tbh they're notes that don't exactly behave like actually sound, so there's benefit of the doubt here.

Neither do the Spamton NEO projectiles. Honestly they behave more like Shyren's notes than they do like real sound.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Neither do the Spamton NEO projectiles. Honestly they behave more like Shyren's notes than they do like real sound.

Wym they don't?

They're literally from a phone. More clear than this...

But you also said that Asriel is Relativistic at best once iirc so I'm not gonna take you that seriously lol.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean, the City Block Flowey got accepted in the middle of 10 Wall to Small Building calculations
So we can still do it

A lil' update:

The gap between the highest 9-A feat and the 8-B calc is x219.26

Instead the gap here is x80,237.36

Kinda a bit higher isn't it?

 

[Ti58]

Wym they don't?

They're literally from a phone. More clear than this...

They're from a phone but they aren't real soundwaves, they're darkner projectiles meant to resemble soundwaves. Darkner projectiles work like that. Alternatively Spamton can manipulate soundwaves and make them move at normal speeds and look like they do and other stuff which also works.

But you also said that Asriel is Relativistic at best once iirc so I'm not gonna take you that seriously lol.

No I never said that

 

[StrymULTRA]

They're from a phone but they aren't real soundwaves, they're darkner projectiles meant to resemble soundwaves. Darkner projectiles work like that. Alternatively Spamton can manipulate soundwaves and make them move at normal speeds and look like they do and other stuff which also works.

Are you perhaps saying that the whole of DR is at like human speeds? That's a claim indeed.

No I never said that

You kinda did tho.

 

[Ti58]

Are you perhaps saying that the whole of DR is at like human speeds? That's a claim indeed.

I find that much more reasonable than saying many DR characters can just travel at near light speeds tbh

You kinda did tho.

That's Frisk not Asriel.

 

[Ti58]

Hey btw has anyone tried calculating Queen's speed in her chair? She seems to move pretty fast sometimes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I find that much more reasonable than saying many DR characters can just travel at near light speeds tbh

Rn you're going against them being even Supersonic.

That's Frisk not Asriel.

And Asriel got his speed via scaling by who?

 

[Ti58]

Rn you're going against them being even Supersonic.

Yeah

And Asriel got his speed via scaling by who?

those are exploding stars, and exploding stars are supernovae, and supernova ejectra travels at around 0.1c

 

[Theuser789]

Ye. People around Starlo's level are 9-A+ and those who upscale from Axis are 8-C. Everyone gets a "possibly High 8-C" for the Dunebud trailer feat tho

Oh damn. Didn't expect to see stats so close to canon.

 

[Ti58]

Yeah

Wait nevermind there's a few exceptions

Jevil, GIGA Queen and the X-Slash attack i think (not necessarily hypersonic but really fast)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah

Please I wanna see you try to downgrade them here, just so you'll learn your lesson, because come on.

those are exploding stars, and exploding stars are supernovae, and supernova ejectra travels at around 0.1c

Actually both Frisk and Asriel are Immeasurable (plus calling star-shaped bullets that are barely bigger than Frisk's SOUL actual stars is just stupid):

Immeasurable with Peak Determination (Dodged attacks from Asriel Dreemurr, and was able to outrun and dodge Asriel's Hyper Goner, an attack that can purge and consume an entire timeline[2][note 2])

Immeasurable (His "Hyper Goner" attack can erase an entire timeline, and Asriel can keep up against Frisk who was able to outrun said attack[note 2])

 

[Ti58]

Also from what I calculated by comparing GIGA Queen head to the others and then comparing her head to the rest of her body she's actually around 20 m instead and not over 60. This is also consistent with this calculation here

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also from what I calculated by comparing GIGA Queen head to the others and then comparing her head to the rest of her body she's actually around 20 m instead and not over 60. This is also consistent with this calculation here

I'd prefer a direct scaling using her whole body rather than just putting together pieces from unrelated scenes, given the game's graphics, no offense.

 

[Ti58]

Actually both Frisk and Asriel are Immeasurable (plus calling star-shaped bullets that are barely bigger than Frisk's SOUL actual stars is just stupid):

Immeasurable with Peak Determination (Dodged attacks from Asriel Dreemurr, and was able to outrun and dodge Asriel's Hyper Goner, an attack that can purge and consume an entire timeline[2][note 2])

Immeasurable (His "Hyper Goner" attack can erase an entire timeline, and Asriel can keep up against Frisk who was able to outrun said attack[note 2])

yeah i know and i agree with this now

i never thought these bullets are actual stars (they don't even look like actual stars) but to be fair things like Knight Knight attacks do count as actual metheors

altho not every Asriel attack is necessarily immeasurable speed, Hyper Goner def is

 

[StrymULTRA]

altho not every Asriel attack is necessarily immeasurable speed, Hyper Goner def is

They are tho. given that they're all displayed as comparable, as otherwise Frisk would perceive every attack that's not the HG as literally immobile.

 

[Ti58]

I'd prefer a direct scaling using her whole body rather than just putting together pieces from unrelated scenes, given the game's graphics, no offense.

Using this image

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/deltarune/images/7/7b/GIGA_Queen_battle_missile.png/revision/latest?cb=20220213052338

and comparing it to the view when she first appears (with only her head) gives roughly the same result