UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Imaginym]

So, this thread is inactive because you're all frantically playing the new version looking for content, right?

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

We are testing a new command to switch Chapters in Deltarune Chapter 1&2. If you would like to test, please see the attached images and report any issues (mainly if it doesn't work...) with this Google form...

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NERS (@nersxd.bsky.social)

🧵 DELTARUNE Chapter 1&2 version 1.16/1.17 full changelog! 🧵 These are based on the last beta (1.15). All changes from 1.12+ apply too. Back up your save files! The saves made in the LTS branch are NOT forwards compatible with earlier builds. If I missed something let me know.

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Most of the stuff seems inconsequential. (A Swatch's eyes/sunglasses got changed.)
Entering Gaster's name (As well as other forced Restarts like Dogcheck.) now sends you back to the current Chapter's Intro rather than Chapter Select. Disappointing.

A typo in Gerson Boom's Memorial Bench was fixed.

Playtime shown in Save Prompts now updates in real time. Kris's facing direction after the 1st Lancer fight was changed so Kris now faces down when closing Ralsei's last textbox instead of when regaining control.

 

[Ti58]

So, this thread is inactive because you're all frantically playing the new version looking for content, right?

tobyfox (@tobyfox.undertale.com)

We are testing a new command to switch Chapters in Deltarune Chapter 1&2. If you would like to test, please see the attached images and report any issues (mainly if it doesn't work...) with this Google form...

bsky.app

NERS (@nersxd.bsky.social)

🧵 DELTARUNE Chapter 1&2 version 1.16/1.17 full changelog! 🧵 These are based on the last beta (1.15). All changes from 1.12+ apply too. Back up your save files! The saves made in the LTS branch are NOT forwards compatible with earlier builds. If I missed something let me know.

bsky.app

Most of the stuff seems inconsequential. (A Swatch's eyes/sunglasses got changed.)
Entering Gaster's name (As well as other forced Restarts like Dogcheck.) now sends you back to the current Chapter's Intro rather than Chapter Select. Disappointing.

A typo in Gerson Boom's Memorial Bench was fixed.

Playtime shown in Save Prompts now updates in real time. Kris's facing direction after the 1st Lancer fight was changed so Kris now faces down when closing Ralsei's last textbox instead of when regaining control.

and sans' dialogue about seeing his brother in 2 years didn't change to 3 years, unfortunate (at least i don't think it has)

 

[Imaginym]

and sans' dialogue about seeing his brother in 2 years didn't change to 3 years, unfortunate (at least i don't think it has)

Why would it?

 

[Ti58]

Why would it?

i remember people saying that it is sans referencing the time when the next chapters come out lmao

 

[SJG13673]

With Archie Silver and whole Sonic Archieverse getting an upgrade, this match should be a stomp in Silver's favor

 

[Imaginym]

With Archie Silver and whole Sonic Archieverse getting an upgrade, this match should be a stomp in Silver's favor

Thanks, although there's probably a Wiki Management thread for posting about such things.

 

[Ti58]

btw i just found out that the snow on sans' shop in hotland is actually said to be fake

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Do link it.

 

[Theuser789]

btw i just found out that the snow on sans' shop in hotland is actually said to be fake

That's fake. Nowhere is that said in the game.

Undertale dialogue dump

 

[Imaginym]

btw i just found out that the snow on sans' shop in hotland is actually said to be fake

That's fake. Nowhere is that said in the game.

Undertale dialogue dump

Was it said somewhere in a Newsletter?

 

[Theuser789]

Nope.

 

[Ti58]

That's fake. Nowhere is that said in the game.

Undertale dialogue dump

yeah you're probably right, apparenly i got fooled by some fake screenshot online

 

[Imaginym]

How much thought have you given to why Gaster seems to look how he does, & the meaning of his filename(s)?

 

[Imaginym]

Brings up interesting points about the characters used in the Japanese versions, among other things.

 

[Imaginym]

AAA

https://bskyx.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3lctmyewank2m

 

[Imaginym]

The voice aside, it brings up something interesting: What if Berdly is more than the comedic character we know of him as?

 

[Imaginym]

What do you think about Burgerpants?

 

[Imaginym]

Apparently sleeping at the Inn temporarily raises current HP above Max HP?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Surprised you didn't know that.

 

[Imaginym]

Surprised you didn't know that.

I have not played Undertale in literal years, & when I did, I don't think I slept at the Inn, or if I did, I didn't give much thought to it. The goal was to leave the Underground full of monsters who were seeking down a human, so I doubt my past self was very interested in indulging an inn's invitation.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I'm pretty sure that 90%+ of fandom did not sleep there. Everybody knows it from the Sans' theory. You did as well, but we're surprised you did only as of now.

 

[Imaginym]

I'm pretty sure that 90%+ of fandom did not sleep there. Everybody knows it from the Sans' theory. You did as well, but we're surprised you did only as of now.

The Sans theory video I linked?
Is it somehow common knowledge? Why? It's not like Sans would survive a hit even if he had like, +30 HP, right?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The Sans theory video I linked?
Is it somehow common knowledge? Why? It's not like Sans would survive a hit even if he had like, +30 HP, right?

I now realize that I kinda spoke for everybody when I really should have not... yeah, idk how popular it is among English UT community.

Spoiler

If you're interested, I myself know this for about 5 years because of this video, but it's on Russian (title translates to "SANS ACTUALLY SURVIVED IN UNDERTALE". Basically, the author of the vid gives evidence to why he should have survived, including sleeping = more HP argument). I know that a lot of Russian UT community knows about this trivia fact from this video as well, but that's obviously not the case with English UT community.

 

[Ti58]

i think i found out when i was wondering how do i have above maximum HP while fighting Papyrus

 

[Ti58]

Okay I don't think any monster in Undertale scales to Flowey.

Sure, he says that he never could have gotten past Asgore, but during the entire pre-Omega Flowey scene he's ******* with us, like how he says that your SAVE is gone forever (it isn't).

His dialogue in the genocide route makes it clear that his issue with Asgore was getting him to show the souls, not fighting him.

Asgore is having a really hard time bringing himself to fight a human who looks kinda like Chara, it's very unlikely that he would go harder in every single timeline on a flower who's his literal son to the point that Flowey can't even beat him despite having hundreds of tries that he could use to learn Asgore's attack patterns.

He himself says that he killed everyone, which likely includes Asgore given the context.

He could have easily one hit Asgore via doing a betrayal kill.

Flowey's determination is far larger than even that of Undyne the Undying (99 ATK 99 DEF).

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's a valid interpretation.
What Toriel does to Flowey at the start of the game does paint her as >him tho.

 

[Ti58]

It's a valid interpretation.
What Toriel does to Flowey at the start of the game does paint her as >him tho.

Tbf she also does the same thing against Asgore, who's equal to her in power

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Tbf she also does the same thing against Asgore, who's equal to her in power

She does also erase Flowey's bullets. Certainly makes it seem like they're comparable at worst.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

His dialogue in the genocide route makes it clear that his issue with Asgore was getting him to show the souls, not fighting him.

Yes, that's what my CRT that I forgor will be about. Scaling chain will start from Toriel > Flowey.

 

[Imaginym]

 

[Ti58]

She does also erase Flowey's bullets. Certainly makes it seem like they're comparable at worst.

Doesn't something like this also happen at the end of true pacifist right before the Asriel fight? Flowey also has the 6 souls by that point.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Doesn't something like this also happen at the end of true pacifist right before the Asriel fight? Flowey also has the 6 souls by that point.

We treat it as either PIS or Flowey toying around despite the fact that Flowey holding back there makes no sense with the goal he established not even a minute ago and his facial expressions betray this idea, so I just go with PIS in this case (A single human SOUL is sorta already Asgore + Toriel + Thousands of other monsters)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We treat it as either PIS or Flowey toying around despite the fact that Flowey holding back there makes no sense with the goal he established not even a minute ago and his facial expressions betray this idea, so I just go with PIS in this case (A single human SOUL is sorta already Asgore + Toriel + Thousands of other monsters)

That’s Flowey holding back tbh, he couldn’t one-shot 8-B Frisk although he should be Low 2-C as Omega Flowey

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That’s Flowey holding back tbh, he couldn’t one-shot 8-B Frisk although he should be Low 2-C as Omega Flowey

Flowey prolonging Frisk's death is somewhat in-character, he does that a bunch of times when he could've easily just one-shot Frisk.
The part that doesn't make sense is him trying and failing to get through the main cast's shields, when he explicitly wanted to.

 

[Theuser789]

Flowey didn't want to kill Frisk there. He wanted to bait the monsters to support and arrive at the barrier so he could absorb all the souls.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey didn't want to kill Frisk there. He wanted to bait the monsters to support and arrive at the barrier so he could absorb all the souls.

Nothing really indicates that his original plan was a lie, so I always took him absorbing the other monster SOULs as him just being opportunistic.
His surprise and disbelief to what's happening certainly doesn't paint it as part of his plan.

Urrrgh... NO!
Unbelievable!!
This can't be be happening...!
You... YOU...!
I can't believe you're all so STUPID.

Plus, he literally could have absorbed them all whether they appeared or not? His absorption light covered all of the Underground, remember?

 

[Theuser789]

Nothing really indicates that his original plan was a lie, so I always took him absorbing the other monster SOULs as him just being opportunistic.
His surprise and disbelief to what's happening certainly doesn't paint it as part of his plan.

Flowey changed his plan once the SOULs rebelled and it proved he couldn't control them, just as he changed his mind from destroying the world to just playing with Chara.

Flowey's last line shows he was just acting. He's calling out the monsters as being stupid for basically giving their souls to him.

Plus, he literally could have absorbed them all whether they appeared or not? His absorption light covered all of the Underground, remember?

I just assume he needs a certain amount of monsters close by to do so otherwise he would've just done it when becoming Omega Flowey and wouldn't have bothered calling Papyrus and everyone to the barrier.

 

[StrymULTRA]

She does also erase Flowey's bullets. Certainly makes it seem like they're comparable at worst.

Tbh Flowey being able to easily one shot everything makes no sense narratively ngl.

I know DT shouldn't be used as a metric, but he shouldn't be that superior to a child with more DT who is still comparable to other monsters stat-wise.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey changed his plan once the SOULs rebelled and it proved he couldn't control them, just as he changed his mind from destroying the world to just playing with Chara.

Flowey's last line shows he was just acting. He's calling out the monsters as being stupid for basically giving their souls to him.

By "original plan" I mean the plan he said literally just before trying to kill Frisk? I never said he never changed it, he obviously did when all the monsters showed up, I'm just saying he didn't anticipate all the monsters showing up to protect Frisk.

wouldn't have bothered calling Papyrus and everyone to the barrier.

Pretty sure Papyrus only called the main characters (Besides Toriel) to the barrier, Flowey's original plan does include him absorbing Frisk's friends.

 

[StrymULTRA]

TBH I don't care if Asgore > Flowey is rejected in a CRT, all I care is not having Flowey x30 times above everyone else.

The Toriel thing at worst proves that Flowey is still comparable to the Boss Monsters, which would fit the fact that he's Asriel funnily enough.