UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[StrymULTRA]

Additionally, Gaster's possible Deltarune counterpart is capable of manipulating and destroying SAVE files and seems to be both in control of the game itself and possibly the creator of it, though it's unclear whether Deltarune Gaster and Undertale Gaster are the same or possess the same abilities

By the way, that's not confirmed to be Gaster, rn we accept those being the Player's doing.

 

[Imaginym]

Cherrypicking at its finest, "it's literal only in the parts that are convenient to me!" moment.

You think the Gaster follower is holding a piece of Gaster, which may be Gaster's still-moving head, when Gaster is probably nowhere near Hotland, hasn't been for years, he's a reverent follower & a creepy weirdo who talks in rhyme to strangers then disappears, & despite that if Gaster has any agency, he'd probably prefer having his part with him instead of a follower nowhere near?

When it could just be that the creep speaking in rhymes about the spatiotemporally shattered being he adores is probably just being metaphorical/non-literal for the sake of a surprise creepy twist at the end of some dialogue.

Also, what do you mean convenient?
What stake do you assume I have in making a case that the follower isn't literally holding a piece?

I mean, an obvious conclusion is that if he IS literally holding a piece of Gaster, that indicates Gaster is still physical in some sense.
Maybe also that Gaster is still in the UT universe, since maybe if he left the universe, his disconnected pieces would disappear? IDK?

But I would say I'm arguing over what I believe is factually correct. IIRC, it's because earlier this was said:

He is not exactly nonexistent if he could still be interacted and seen.

Nah, it's pretty literal imo, he wouldn't just say such a lie in that seriousness.

& also that stuff.

Though I do think it undercuts the seriousness if they're speaking in rhyme, even if it may be for the factor of being eerie.

But also, I'd find it odd that a Monster, a being made of magic to begin with, being shattered across space & time, could have a disembodied piece of him held.
& assuming Gaster looks like Mystery Man, which doesn't look like what the follower is holding, then it's not even a piece we can see.

Listen... I do not even disagree with that, Gaster should be a "Unknown, possibly Omnipresent" or something, because yes, it's vague as ****, but it's still possible to get something from it.

Agreed. There is some, albeit, not info about Gaster we can gleam.

Like being erased from space and time does not mean that you become omnipresent, neither should be "scattered across space time" without more context.

Maybe he can just time travel while being nonexistent, who knows.

Unrelatedly, I'm suddenly reminded of Kingdom Hearts, which has a weird system of time travel where you can but also can't change the past (You have to have a version of yourself already there & there might be some cause-loop stuff, I don't remember, it's a pain to understand, IMHO.) but also the means of time travelling involve separating your "heart" (Akin to a soul in KH.) from your body.

As for Gaster time-travelling.... Well, I think it'd be hard to prove the negative for Gaster's spatiotemporally shattered self flittering about the timeline of Undertale. Or Deltarune probably.
But IDK if there's much proof that he is time travelling either, lol.

So yeah, "Who knows"?

 

[RinneItachi]

I also like the one wandydoodles made

Ah I like this one I thought of it too.

 

[RinneItachi]

By the way, that's not confirmed to be Gaster, rn we accept those being the Player's doing.

But since it's 99% definitely Gaster doing it in Deltarune it should be separated. Since he's the one saying things like "CHOOSE THE ONE TO COPY.", "IT IS BARREN AND CANNOT BE COPIED", "THE DIVISION IS COMPLETE", etc.. Wouldn't make sense for him to be saying this unless Gaster is literally just narrating what we're doing with the SAVE files, like why would he say "CHOOSE" if we're in control of it. That makes absolutely 0 sense. Besides again we already know he probably canonically made Deltarune and whatnot.

But it still isn't confirmed to be Gaster just very very likely is, so I wouldn't say anything as fact here.

 

[RinneItachi]

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wouldn't make sense for him to be saying this unless Gaster is literally just narrating what we're doing with the SAVE files, like why would he say "CHOOSE" if we're in control of it. That makes absolutely 0 sense.

That's literally what is accepted on the profile, as I said.

 

[Imaginym]

It could be that he's narrating.

(Assuming it is indeed Gaster....)

If Gaster was in control, why say these things?

He makes a big deal of being connected when Deltarune is first run, so clearly he values some form of interface between himself & the SOUL.

Like, when copying to another file, he states "IT WILL BE SUBSUMED.".
That's a warning/cautioning; The phrasing implies confident knowledge of what will happen.
Or trying to copy an empty file. "IT IS BARREN AND CANNOT BE COPIED.".
If the copying action fails because the file is barren, there wouldn't be much reason to say that if he was experimenting alone, since it's phrased as though as it's already known info. (Not to mention it seems like fictional scientists, when acting on their own, often pursue new info, rather than rigorously going through all permutations as the scientific method might encourage. Gaster might actually be so thorough, but until we know otherwise, if such a trend is true, it could be presumed for him, too.)

Gaster is an experimenter, a scientist. He wouldn't need to warn himself if it's himself doing the experiments.

There's also the overwriting when all files are the same dialogue, saying "WHAT AN INTERESTING BEHAVIOUR.".

Not to mention the cursor being the SOUL. What things are involved in each experiment in that file select is dictated by the choices of the cursor/SOUL, which isn't controlled by Gaster. (AFAIK.)
Why he wants/needs our help for that, IDK.

It is curious how some of it is phrased. Such as "BUT THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT TO COPY.". Feels kind of past tense. Meh, IDK.


Other curious stuff is for after copying -"THE DIVISION IS COMPLETE."- & if all 3 files are made the same, it says "PREPARATIONS ARE COMPLETE".
Is Gaster announcing this as though thinking it's our preparations?
Does he seek to have 3 identical files for some reason?

Copying a Save File divides it? Is it not a timeline? Is it some kind of simulation computational power?
& why is an EMPTY File barren?

I know from personal experience that you can beat Deltarune -At least as far as the end of Chapter 2- without Saving. (Although, IIRC, Jevil & Spamton are agony. & also those danged teacups.)
If you do that, your file is EMPTY.
Barren of what then? Determination exertion?
I suppose since it's a post-chapter-starting pre-completion menu, you can't be there having beaten with an unsaved-to, EMPTY file. There would have to be progress or you'd be at the regular menu, right? Chapter Select?

Is the timeline like the Vessel, & artificially generated? Is that why the voice knows of Kris, Susie & Noelle? (If you name the Vessel the same as them, it says you're about to meet someone interesting, IIRC.) But then why no such reaction for Ralsei?
Is Ralsei so tragically forgettable even to such a dedicated researcher? Is Gaster only concerning himself with informing about Lightners? Are Darkners somehow unknown to him?
Is the SOUL maybe somehow his means of getting info about Darkners/Dark Worlds? Or does he want Ralsei to be a surprise to us?

Hopefully no one minds my yapping.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It could be that he's narrating.

(Assuming it is indeed Gaster....)

If Gaster was in control, why say these things?

He makes a big deal of being connected when Deltarune is first run, so clearly he values some form of interface between us & the SOUL.

Like, when copying to another file, he states "IT WILL BE SUBSUMED.".
That's a warning/cautioning; The phrasing implies confident knowledge of what will happen.
Or trying to copy an empty file. "IT IS BARREN AND CANNOT BE COPIED.".
If the copying action fails because the file is barren, there wouldn't be much reason to say that if he was experimenting alone, since it's phrased as though as it's already known info. (Not to mention it seems like fictional scientists, when acting on their own, often pursue new info, rather than rigorously going through all permutations as the scientific method might encourage. Gaster might actually be so thorough, but until we know otherwise, if such a trend is true, it could be presumed for him, too.)

Gaster is an experimenter, a scientist. He wouldn't need to warn himself it's himself doing the experiments.

There's also the overwriting when all files are the same dialogue, saying "WHAT AN INTERESTING BEHAVIOUR.".

Not to mention the cursor being the SOUL. What things are involved in each experiment in that file select is dictated by the choices of the cursor/SOUL which isn't controlled by Gaster.
Why he wants/needs our help for that, IDK.

It is curious how some of it is phrased. Such as "BUT THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT TO COPY.". Feels kind of past tense. Meh, IDK.


Other curious stuff is for after copying -"THE DIVISION IS COMPLETE."- & if all 3 files are made the same, it says "PREPARATIONS ARE COMPLETE".
Is Gaster announcing this as though thinking it's our preparations.
Does he seek to have 3 identical files for some reason?

Copying a Save File divides it? Is it not a timeline? Is it some kind of simulation computational power?
& why is an EMPTY File barren?

I know from personal experience that you can beat Deltarune -At least as far as the end of Chapter 2- without Saving. (Although, IIRC, Jevil & Spamton are agony.)
If you do that, your file is EMPTY.
Barren of what then? Determination exertion?
I suppose since it's a post-chapter-starting pre-completion menu, you can't be there having beaten with an unsaved-to, EMPTY file. There would have to be progress or you'd be at the regular menu, right? Chapter Select?

Is the timeline like the Vessel, & artificially generated? Is that why the voice knows of Kris, Susie & Noelle? (If you name the Vessel the same as them, it says you're about to meet someone interesting, IIRC.) But then why no such reaction for Ralsei?

Hopefully no one minds my yapping.

Pretty much this. It's not like we're somehow just commanding Gaster (or whoever is the voice) to do these actions.

That voice sounds more like something of the lines of "are you sure you want to delete the save" that you see in softwares, rather than the voice actually doing these actions. Plus, in Undertale we are the ones directly responsible of the actions that happen at the start menu, so what stops the same being here?

 

[Chianli]

Pretty much this. It's not like we're somehow just commanding Gaster (or whoever is the voice) to do these actions.

That voice sounds more like something of the lines of "are you sure you want to delete the save" that you see in softwares, rather than the voice actually doing these actions. Plus, in Undertale we are the ones directly responsible of the actions that happen at the start menu, so what stops the same being here?

It basically sounds like something gaster would say, but who knows, only toby knows!!!

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Actually, I just thought of something. The first(?) Newsletter gave a ton of new information about Grillby. I think he might have enough for a profile now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

When Grillby has more info about Gaster moment.

 

[Ti58]

But since it's 99% definitely Gaster doing it in Deltarune it should be separated. Since he's the one saying things like "CHOOSE THE ONE TO COPY.", "IT IS BARREN AND CANNOT BE COPIED", "THE DIVISION IS COMPLETE", etc.. Wouldn't make sense for him to be saying this unless Gaster is literally just narrating what we're doing with the SAVE files, like why would he say "CHOOSE" if we're in control of it. That makes absolutely 0 sense. Besides again we already know he probably canonically made Deltarune and whatnot.

But it still isn't confirmed to be Gaster just very very likely is, so I wouldn't say anything as fact here.

I disagree with him making the entire world of Deltarune. Like the light world wasn't made by Gaster or anything. I think he made DELTARUNE the executable file and also kinda the plot of Deltarune via the Legend.

 

[Ti58]

Pretty much this. It's not like we're somehow just commanding Gaster (or whoever is the voice) to do these actions.

That voice sounds more like something of the lines of "are you sure you want to delete the save" that you see in softwares, rather than the voice actually doing these actions. Plus, in Undertale we are the ones directly responsible of the actions that happen at the start menu, so what stops the same being here?

It's a different world with different rules.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's a different world with different rules.

Ok, prove it's not the same in this instance, without going too hard in Matpat mode tho.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Can’t we just wait for when all of Deltarune chapters end to see what is really Toby’s plan with Gaster

 

[StrymULTRA]

Can’t we just wait for when all of Deltarune chapters end to see what is really Toby’s plan with Gaster

I am just bored and want to gather info on Gaster for the time being.

Don't think we can do anything with Deltarune however, as it's way, waaaay too speculative however.

 

[Ti58]

I am just bored and want to gather info on Gaster for the time being.

Don't think we can do anything with Deltarune however, as it's way, waaaay too speculative however.

Depends, "Gaster is the voice at the beginning" and "Gaster is the guy who spoke to the superbosses" isn't a crazy idea, but something like "Gaster wants to unbanish himself from the DEPTHS and take over the world by bringing the Roaring" is incredibly brainrotten.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Depends, "Gaster is the voice at the beginning" and "Gaster is the guy who spoke to the superbosses" isn't a crazy idea, but something like "Gaster wants to unbanish himself from the DEPTHS and take over the world by bringing the Roaring" is incredibly brainrotten.

Outside the fact that we cannot make a profile anyway as we know way too little about him, my plan is only to make a sandbox to gather the current information we know already on him.

 

[Ti58]

Ok, prove it's not the same in this instance, without going too hard in Matpat mode tho.

I mean it looks like we ask the Voice (aka almost certainly Gaster) to do things for us. Additionally, the Voice (aka almost certainly Gaster) is literally the person who connects us to Deltarune in the first place, so it'd make sense.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean it looks like we ask the Voice (aka almost certainly Gaster) to do things for us. Additionally, the Voice (aka almost certainly Gaster) is literally the person who connects us to Deltarune in the first place, so it'd make sense.

Ok, so a theory.

Good luck removing that from the Player's profile tho.

 

[Ti58]

Outside the fact that we cannot make a profile anyway as we know way too little about him, my plan is only to make a sandbox to gather the current information we know already on him.

We could make a separate profile for the GONER MAKER Voice then

 

[Ti58]

Ok, so a theory.

Good luck removing that from the Player's profile tho.

The Voice being the one who connects us Deltarune is pretty much a fact. Plus it does look like we ask him to do things with the saves for us, so this is barely even a theory anyway.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The Voice being the one who connects us Deltarune is pretty much a fact. Plus it does look like we ask him to do things with the saves for us, so this is barely even a theory anyway.

Pretty much this. It's not like we're somehow just commanding Gaster (or whoever is the voice) to do these actions.

That voice sounds more like something of the lines of "are you sure you want to delete the save" that you see in softwares, rather than the voice actually doing these actions. Plus, in Undertale we are the ones directly responsible of the actions that happen at the start menu, so what stops the same being here?

 

[Ti58]

We also don't have a profile for the Roaring Knight but they're like even more mysterious than Gaster so it makes sense

 

[StrymULTRA]

We also don't have a profile for the Roaring Knight but they're like even more mysterious than Gaster so it makes sense

Blud if we don't have a profile for OPM God why you're surprised that we don't have the Knight or Gaster.

 

[Ti58]

O

Blud if we don't have a profile for OPM God why you're surprised that we don't have the Knight or Gaster.

I literally just said that it makes sense Dess the Knight doesn't have a profile due to how mysterious she is they are

 

[StrymULTRA]

Anyway, found an actual working Wingdings translator, others are all scams.

Wingdings Translator ☜☜☜ ― LingoJam

lingojam.com

 

[StrymULTRA]

Though REDACTED makes me thing that Gaster is probably taking multiple forms, as pieces of himself are scattered.

What if both Mystery Man and REDACTED are Gaster's pieces?

 

[Ti58]

Btw, all the Deltarune lightners are given city level with creation and all that, but does it really count? Dark worlds are based on real life items, the cyber city for example is just some computers. Deltarune dark worlds are also kinda "less real" and are lower than the light world, they parallel fiction, RPGs and all that.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Btw, all the Deltarune lightners are given city level with creation and all that, but does it really count? Dark worlds are based on real life items, the cyber city for example is just some computers. Deltarune dark worlds are also kinda "less real" and are lower than the light world, they parallel fiction, RPGs and all that.

They're basically warped in being pocket realms, which are big in the inside, but small in the outside.

Think of them as the Hyperbolic Time Chamber from Dragon Ball, outside it's a little room, but inside it's planet sized.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Btw, all the Deltarune lightners are given city level with creation and all that, but does it really count? Dark worlds are based on real life items, the cyber city for example is just some computers. Deltarune dark worlds are also kinda "less real" and are lower than the light world, they parallel fiction, RPGs and all that.

1-A Deltarune trust

 

[Ti58]

They're basically warped in being pocket realms, which are big in the inside, but small in the outside.

Think of them as the Hyperbolic Time Chamber from Dragon Ball, outside it's a little room, but inside it's planet sized.

Yes. They're created by a lightner with a sharp object and determination from the objects in the light world and darkness from the depths.

 

[Ti58]

1-A Deltarune trust

How do the DEPTHS fit into Deltarune powerscaling assuming DEPTHS theory is true

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I’m surprised nobody has calced Undyne wielding a sword 10 times her size yet.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tried to give my interpretation on Gaster. Any thoughts?

Yes, this is obviously meant to be kept as a sandbox, any attempt to make it in a profile should be instantly shut down obviously.

StrymULTRA/GasterSandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Ti58]

Tried to give my interpretation on Gaster. Any thoughts?

Yes, this is obviously meant to be kept as a sandbox, any attempt to make it in a profile should be instantly shut down obviously.

StrymULTRA/GasterSandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Goner Kid dialogue is about fun events if you don't get the right fun value, it's not about Gaster.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Goner Kid dialogue is about fun events if you don't get the right fun value, it's not about Gaster.

In my opinion he actually is talking about Gaster, given that he's about the same grey color the other Gaster followers have, and he cements the whole deal of not existing anymore.

Don't think he was even hinting at the FUNs, tbh.

 

[Ti58]

Also, Monster Kid Goner is a Goner of Monster Kid, not LITERALLY Monster Kid. They're different.

 

[StrymULTRA]

See this is why he's better as a sandbox and not a profile lol.

 

[Ti58]

In my opinion he actually is talking about Gaster, given that he's about the same grey color the other Gaster followers have, and he cements the whole deal of not existing anymore.

Don't think he was even hinting at the FUNs, tbh.

clam girl is also grey and doesn't talk about Gaster (she talks about Deltarune though)

And everything Monster Kid Goner says applies to the FUN events. If you don't get the right fun value, they don't exist. Everything functions perfectly without them though.

ALTHOUGH you might be right, on https://deltarune.com/egg page Noelle says that she doesn't remember the name of the egg and the author of the mysterious letter from the Valentine Newsletter who may or may not be Gaster says "YES, IT'S QUITE IRONIC, BUT I MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN"