UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[StrymULTRA]

My guess is to put alternatives to showings that are super vague

Like "Existence Erasure/Teleportation" for when that follower just disapperared, you can argue either.

 

[StrymULTRA]

??? And the things that we know I put in the profile. Gaster being non-existent is referred to as a rumor. "They say he shattered across time and space.". They say.

I forgot that is only word by mouth in-verse and not something even 100% solid

 

[RinneItachi]

Okay but we already know he doesnt exist and is shattered across time and space (They literally say he is listening everything). You don't need a "possibly" on every single ability ever, yall are really exaggarete.

If something ain't confirmed then it ain't confirmed.

 

[ShionAH]

It is confirmed though.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Would Gaster even have this, btw?

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It is confirmed though.

Lil bro this ain't the Pokedex

 

[StrymULTRA]

If something ain't confirmed then it ain't confirmed.

Btw, uploaded HD versions of the Gaster sprites

MysteryMan and other possible appearance.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Plus, "shattered across space and time" doesn't exactly mean omnipresence in itself. There's that followers who LITERALLY HOLDS A PIECE OF GASTER IN HIS HAND.

That doesn't sound like "being everywhere and everywhen at once" tbh.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If something ain't confirmed then it ain't confirmed.

Btw, it came.

Note that it's basically the old profile, I only have changed some images around, otherwise is identical.

RinneItachi/GasterSandbox

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[Imaginym]

Yes but it's silly to think he'd set-up the Gaster storyline like this for a joke. I haven't seen a mysterious character get built up like this since...ever really. Only character who comes close in my mind is Bill Cipher.

I agree with your logic except for the comparison at the end.
"Close"? Perhaps I'm arguing from incredulity, as I'm 1 of those shameful sorts who watched Gravity Falls but never even tried to solve the cipher puzzles, preferring to listen to theorists but by sheer quantity of Easter Eggs in backgrounds, the myriads of complex riddles, the many obscure methods & complex solutions....

In methodology of hiding in secret/plain sight, but quantitatively (Am I using that term right?), I doubt Gaster is close in build-up to Bill.

Plus, "shattered across space and time" doesn't exactly mean omnipresence in itself. There's that followers who LITERALLY HOLDS A PIECE OF GASTER IN HIS HAND.

That doesn't sound like "being everywhere and everywhen at once" tbh.

So they claim.
How do we know it isn't Gaster-induced lunacy or some kind of spooky prank?
Heck, the followers are grayscaled versions of other NPCs, right? So we compare the sprites to check, no?
What is he holding that's the Gaster part, then? Because we can't see it, & he doesn't specify it. & all that's assuming he's being literal, rather than metaphorical. After all, another said Gaster was shattered across time & space. What if it's something like "We are holding a piece of him in our hearts, because we're loyal" or something? What if it's metaphorical?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What is he holding that's the Gaster part, then? Because we can't see it, & he doesn't specify it. & all that's assuming he's being literal, rather than metaphorical. After all, another said Gaster was shattered across time & space. What if it's something like "We are holding a piece of him in our hearts, because we're loyal" or something? What if it's metaphorical?

I mean the thing is literally being held in his hand and is talking, so I think it's pretty literal, or maybe not.

 

[ShionAH]

I mean the thing is literally being held in his hand and is talking, so I think it's pretty literal, or maybe not.

Thing in his hand is also there in his original sprite iirc, so its like his head is just on his hands. He isn't holding Gasters head or whatever you are implying

 

[StrymULTRA]

Thing in his hand is also there in his original sprite iirc, so its like his head is just on his hands. He isn't holding Gasters head or whatever you are implying

I mean that by "shattered across space and time" you can argue that his body was literally teared apart and spread across different areas of the space-time.

 

[ShionAH]

How would he be listening everything if he was just blown up.

 

[StrymULTRA]

How would he be listening everything if he was just blown up.

By Gastering/j.

Might be something like Monika who is still a NEP thing despite being erased on a space-time level.

 

[Imaginym]

Thing in his hand is also there in his original sprite iirc, so its like his head is just on his hands. He isn't holding Gasters head or whatever you are implying

I mean that by "shattered across space and time" you can argue that his body was literally teared apart and spread across different areas of the space-time.

So then it indeed isn't a part of Gaster, it's something inherent to the NPC, based on the non-Goner version? (In theory, Gaster COULD have had a piece of him launched to 1 of his followers, but....)

 

[StrymULTRA]

So then it indeed isn't a part of Gaster, it's something inherent to the NPC, based on the non-Goner version? (In theory, Gaster COULD have had a piece of him launched to 1 of his followers, but....)

Nah, it's pretty literal imo, he wouldn't just say such a lie in that seriousness.

 

[Ti58]

How does Deltarune cosmology work here? King for example is put at 9-A, but he is in reality an object brought to life with determination, more specifically a king of spades card. Darkners in general are less real than lightners (i mean yeah they're objects brought to life) and are treated as such, dark worlds are fiction within fiction, so are characters like Jevil actually 9-A or not?

My interpretation of Deltarune cosmology, by the way:

 

[StrymULTRA]

so are characters like Jevil actually 9-A or not?

You can, you know, check the profiles, right?

 

[Ti58]

You can, you know, check the profiles, right?

Jevil is just an example, what I said applies to literally every darkner in Deltarune. Lancer, Jevil, King, Queen, Virovirokun etc

 

[Ti58]

People also forget that Gaster, for what we know, literally cannot fight because he cannot interact with anything in reality after being reduced to a nonexistent mess shattered across space-time.

I mean he seems to be able to, somehow. The prophecy (which Gaster knows based on the 2016-2017 version of deltarune.com page) was literally foretold by "time and space", he directly speaks to the player on Twitter at the beginning of Deltarune and in some other instances, there's also whatever is going on with Mysteryman (and the man behind the tree) etc.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean he seems to be able to, somehow.

What.

The prophecy (which Gaster knows based on the 2016-2017 version of deltarune.com page) was literally foretold by "time and space", he directly speaks to the player on Twitter at the beginning of Deltarune and in some other instances, there's also whatever is going on with Mysteryman (and the man behind the tree) etc.

How is this meaning that he can punch things?

 

[Ti58]

What.

How is this meaning that he can punch things?

He seems to have a way of interacting with the world. If the man behind the tree is him, he can hand people eggs apperently, which probably means he probably can punch things.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Why not?

Also, we have some good Sandboxes for W. D. Gaster, right?

He is not exactly nonexistent if he could still be interacted and seen.

 

[Greatsage13th]

@Ti58 your pfp is cursed by the way.