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...I don't follow OPM, what's the reason
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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD
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Dragonite007
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We know to little about him
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Because we don't know what he's capable of whatsoever. We can only speculate as of right now and it's not really good enough.
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Both characters are extremely ambiguous with no showing of their level of power, as well as having abilities whose mechanics are still mostly hidden in mystery and not exactly specified.
Thread if you wonder.
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People also forget that Gaster, for what we know, literally cannot fight because he cannot interact with anything in reality after being reduced to a nonexistent mess shattered across space-time.
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I suppose there are better profiles to be working on.
Like the Small Town level Photoshop Flowey and the Small Building level Asg-holy shit never mind! Small City level Photoshop Flowey and City Block level Asgore, I stand corrected
Still though, Asriel's profile has way too many tabbers.
Like the Small Town level Photoshop Flowey and the Small Building level Asg-holy shit never mind! Small City level Photoshop Flowey and City Block level Asgore, I stand corrected
Still though, Asriel's profile has way too many tabbers.
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In theory, you could argue he's like, 9-C, maybe 9-B because he survived falling into his creation.
Key word, "falling" - It wasn't the fall that "killed" him.
& what creation was that?
There is the question of if his followers are mind controlled or something, why some of them disappear after speaking, IIRC.
If the Vessel had feats, we could argue it as like, Optional Equipment or something for him since he can create it. (Currently, we don't know if it can operate without a SOUL; For all we know, it might be abandoned & slumped over, & we'll have to take it over or something when Kris is refusing the SOUL entirely.)
There's some case for the file deletion stuff being universe destruction stuff, although if that is Gaster monitoring, it begs the question of if he can do more than observe & comment there. Scattered across time & space & all that.
He probably can, but we don't know if he can, IIRC.
IIRC, he's vaguely responsible for the fundamental foundationals of Hotland's technology or something, too?
What has he done?
Key word, "falling" - It wasn't the fall that "killed" him.
& what creation was that?
There is the question of if his followers are mind controlled or something, why some of them disappear after speaking, IIRC.
If the Vessel had feats, we could argue it as like, Optional Equipment or something for him since he can create it. (Currently, we don't know if it can operate without a SOUL; For all we know, it might be abandoned & slumped over, & we'll have to take it over or something when Kris is refusing the SOUL entirely.)
There's some case for the file deletion stuff being universe destruction stuff, although if that is Gaster monitoring, it begs the question of if he can do more than observe & comment there. Scattered across time & space & all that.
He probably can, but we don't know if he can, IIRC.
IIRC, he's vaguely responsible for the fundamental foundationals of Hotland's technology or something, too?
What has he done?
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Btw y'all give support to this plz.
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Undertale: Other minor fixes and additions
I think this will be the last Undertale CRT I'll make here after a really long series I made from almost 2 years here, as otherwise the verse is pretty much covered from what I can see. Sans' LS Downgrade Sorry guys, but after checking a bit, Sans having Class M is completely faulty for a very...
Eden_Warlock99
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I do feel Asriel's AP tabs should also include speed, dura and such. That's just an aesthetic thing tho
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That'd feel unecessary tbh, given most of their reasons is just scaling from AP.
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If we can make a profile on the player, who may as well be a patchwork fan character, we can make a profile on Gaster.
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The Player at least has solid connections to Chara, we know some of their abilities, and has actual showings.
Gaster has only headcanons and fanboys who are barely older than the Skibidi Toilet fandom.
Dragonite007
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The player at leats has feats and a presence in the game.
You can make 100% of the game without meeting Mystery Man (possible Gaster)
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That def applies to Undertale Gaster but the Gaster in Deltarune is very likely a different one entirely. As the theme at the beginning of Deltarune during the vessel scene is literally titled "ANOTHER HIM".
Ghengiroo115
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On the topic of Gaster, it’s wild to me that there are still people that think Gaster won’t play a notable role in Deltarune. Like, how can you look at literally every single allusion to his presence and be like “oh it’s just a bunch of spooky easter eggs” or “oh Toby made this decade spanning mystery just to mess with the fans and it doesn’t actually mean anything”.
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To play Devil's Advocate, Toby can be a bit of a troll, no?
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Undertale alluded to his presence too.
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Because people doubt if he will ever show up, even thought we have tons of things alluding that he plays an important rule in the game, heck. He might be the reason as to why we (the player.) are even in this AU in the first place (though he got stripped from interacting with it further by an unknowned entity.)
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Is that from the Twitter?
Also, I'm reminded of the bunker in southern Hometown. IIRC, there's something about the motor theme you can hear near it being a 666% slowed down version of Gaster's theme or something?
If Gaster was booted from the 'verse, what's that doing there? & when the Goner Maker was taken over, did anything happen there?
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on that bunker thing, am pretty that was either confirmed (or debunk.)
but it isn't just that, there was like a page that you literally have to use in the way back machine (back in like, 2014 or 2016, around there.) with it being just a black void, but brighten reveals windings.
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am just going to give you this to show how gaster knew
am pretty sure this is enough evidence to show he knows what the verse is or not
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I assume insided of it, if you want you could...idk experiment with the SURVEY PROGRAM DEMO of deltarune, since there is something quite interesting in there.
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That's me, yes
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Yes but it's silly to think he'd set-up the Gaster storyline like this for a joke. I haven't seen a mysterious character get built up like this since...ever really. Only character who comes close in my mind is Bill Cipher.
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Will you make a sandbox profile for Gaster btw, like the OPM God one?
I can ask to restore the deleted Gaster profile for scans if needed.
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I don't usually do that stuff but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.
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You can use this as a basis for scans, at least.
W. D. Gaster - The Codex
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I'd probably do this.
"W.D. Gaster (Undertale)
Note: Gaster's appearance is not confirmed however the Mystery Man sprite is heavily suggested to be him.
Summary:
Gaster is a mysterious character referenced numerous times throughout Undertale and very heavily implied to have a strong presence in Deltarune as well. Though not much is known about him, it is confirmed that he was the former Royal Scientist before Alphys and has some relation to Sans given the appearance of Gaster's name is one of Sans' iconic forms of attack. Additionally, he created the CORE and ended up falling into his own creation, shattering him across time and space, though whether this referred to the CORE or something else is unknown. It is speculated that Gaster has familial relations to Sans and Papyrus due to the nature of Sans' mysterious backstory and scientific career and Gaster's believed appearance being similar to that of a skeleton.
Powers and Stats:
Tier: Unknown
Name: W.D. Gaster, possibly referred to often as "Him"
Origin: Undertale (and likely Deltarune)
Gender: Male
Age: Unknown
Classification: Monster, Royal Scientist, possibly Skeleton
Powers and Abilities:
Genius Intelligence (created the CORE and was the former Royal Scientist), likely Non-Existent Physiology (Stated that he is said to have shattered across time and space and likely doesn't physically exist anymore (what type would he have I'm not sure)), likely Teleportation (vanishes instantly when interacted with, assuming that Gaster is Mystery Man), likely Breaking the Fourth Wall (presuming that it is indeed Gaster whom connects us to Deltarune, and likewise assuming Undertale's Gaster is similar if not the same, he is very much aware of the player), possibly Nigh-Omnipresence (was shattered across time and space and is mentioned to be listening in on a conversation he is not apart of), possibly Danmaku and Soul Manipulation (possibly possesses the same magical abilities as fellow Monster's however due to his state of existence in Undertale it's unclear whether or not he can still attack conventionally), possibly reality warping (entering his name can cause the game to restart, though it's unclear whether this is Gaster's direct influence or an aspect of his nature), possibly technology manipulation (being near Gaster or a thing related to him causes the cell phone to glitch), possibly data manipulation (seems to be able to effect the game's code)
Additionally, Gaster's possible Deltarune counterpart is capable of manipulating and destroying SAVE files and seems to be both in control of the game itself and possibly the creator of it, though it's unclear whether Deltarune Gaster and Undertale Gaster are the same or possess the same abilities
Attack Potency: Unknown (Gaster may be incapable of attacking to begin with in Undertale, though in the files of Undertale he possesses a 66666 ATK stat, which is immensely superior to any Monster in Undertale with exception to soul-enhanced Monsters)
Speed: Unknown, possibly Nigh-Omnipresent
Lifting Strength: Unknown (likely incapable of lifting mass in Undertale)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown (likely immune to conventional methods of attack due to his state of existence, though whether this applies to Deltarune's Gaster is unknown, assuming they are different)
Stamina: Unknown, likely infinite (in Undertale, Gaster doesn't physically exist, thus the concept of stamina wouldn't apply to him)
Range: Unknown
Standard Equipment: None
Intelligence: At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius (Was the former Royal Scientist and creator of the CORE, stated to likely be superior to Alphys though Alphys was faster in her work)
"W.D. Gaster (Undertale)
Note: Gaster's appearance is not confirmed however the Mystery Man sprite is heavily suggested to be him.
Summary:
Gaster is a mysterious character referenced numerous times throughout Undertale and very heavily implied to have a strong presence in Deltarune as well. Though not much is known about him, it is confirmed that he was the former Royal Scientist before Alphys and has some relation to Sans given the appearance of Gaster's name is one of Sans' iconic forms of attack. Additionally, he created the CORE and ended up falling into his own creation, shattering him across time and space, though whether this referred to the CORE or something else is unknown. It is speculated that Gaster has familial relations to Sans and Papyrus due to the nature of Sans' mysterious backstory and scientific career and Gaster's believed appearance being similar to that of a skeleton.
Powers and Stats:
Tier: Unknown
Name: W.D. Gaster, possibly referred to often as "Him"
Origin: Undertale (and likely Deltarune)
Gender: Male
Age: Unknown
Classification: Monster, Royal Scientist, possibly Skeleton
Powers and Abilities:
Genius Intelligence (created the CORE and was the former Royal Scientist), likely Non-Existent Physiology (Stated that he is said to have shattered across time and space and likely doesn't physically exist anymore (what type would he have I'm not sure)), likely Teleportation (vanishes instantly when interacted with, assuming that Gaster is Mystery Man), likely Breaking the Fourth Wall (presuming that it is indeed Gaster whom connects us to Deltarune, and likewise assuming Undertale's Gaster is similar if not the same, he is very much aware of the player), possibly Nigh-Omnipresence (was shattered across time and space and is mentioned to be listening in on a conversation he is not apart of), possibly Danmaku and Soul Manipulation (possibly possesses the same magical abilities as fellow Monster's however due to his state of existence in Undertale it's unclear whether or not he can still attack conventionally), possibly reality warping (entering his name can cause the game to restart, though it's unclear whether this is Gaster's direct influence or an aspect of his nature), possibly technology manipulation (being near Gaster or a thing related to him causes the cell phone to glitch), possibly data manipulation (seems to be able to effect the game's code)
Additionally, Gaster's possible Deltarune counterpart is capable of manipulating and destroying SAVE files and seems to be both in control of the game itself and possibly the creator of it, though it's unclear whether Deltarune Gaster and Undertale Gaster are the same or possess the same abilities
Attack Potency: Unknown (Gaster may be incapable of attacking to begin with in Undertale, though in the files of Undertale he possesses a 66666 ATK stat, which is immensely superior to any Monster in Undertale with exception to soul-enhanced Monsters)
Speed: Unknown, possibly Nigh-Omnipresent
Lifting Strength: Unknown (likely incapable of lifting mass in Undertale)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown (likely immune to conventional methods of attack due to his state of existence, though whether this applies to Deltarune's Gaster is unknown, assuming they are different)
Stamina: Unknown, likely infinite (in Undertale, Gaster doesn't physically exist, thus the concept of stamina wouldn't apply to him)
Range: Unknown
Standard Equipment: None
Intelligence: At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius (Was the former Royal Scientist and creator of the CORE, stated to likely be superior to Alphys though Alphys was faster in her work)
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I asked to restore the old Gaster profile (the one deleted in 2020) as a Sandbox btw, so you can work on it.
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Because almost nothing about him is confirmed. Which is why we don't have a profile.
Okay I mean I'll see what I can do ig but not gonna be working on it tonight or anything lol.
Ofc.
ShionAH
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Thats straight up wrong though, Gaster followers are canon and very well tell us how he works
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No rushes man.
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??? And the things that we know I put in the profile. Gaster being non-existent is referred to as a rumor. "They say he shattered across time and space.". They say.
