UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Imaginym]

I was about to freak out about the new newsletter being here already, but I see y'all have already begun that. No offense meant.

Welp, time to check it out for myself.

 

[RinneItachi]

I was thinking more about something like Scott Cawthon or whatever was called the Animdude thing from FNAF, given that Annoying Dog fits more something like it, and using a random Touhou collab (with a fan-game too, to make it worse) is not something I'd use as judgment.

Only time will tell though, I think.

Animdude is a bit different. He is canonically a character within the FNaF verse. A representation of the author but not as literal as Toby. Like my dude Toby literally drew the Annoying Dog to represent him with his signature. And I mean yeah the Touhou thing would logically be proper feats in some ways as Toby wrote that himself. The Annoying Dog breaking the Great Hakurei Barrier is irrelevant as that would be dependent on Toby's own view of the barrier, but the Annoying Dog using danmaku is fine, and not really a stretch anyways for obvious reasons. But still I don't think he should have a page.

The way Toby uses the Annoying Dog to represent himself is comparable to how literal The Rock is to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. He has molded it into his entire brand, personality, and appearance. I wouldn't be surprised if he magically turned into a dog in real life because of how much he does it.

 

[RinneItachi]

I was about to freak out about the new newsletter being here already, but I see y'all have already begun that. No offense meant.

Welp, time to check it out for myself.

It was kind of a mid one if you're looking for news on UT/DR. The most exciting "news" was just that Chapter 3 is pretty much done, but no one would be surprised by that.

But otherwise it was hype.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The way Toby uses the Annoying Dog to represent himself is comparable to how literal The Rock is to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. He has molded it into his entire brand, personality, and appearance. I wouldn't be surprised if he magically turned into a dog in real life because of how much he does it.

To be fair, I said we should wait because I don't even think the stuff we have on AD is even enough to make a profile (as it got deleted for a reason), plus if he ends up being something like Animdude in next chapters... why not.

 

[RinneItachi]

Fuching hell, the Annoying Dog is literally used on Toby's wikipedia page

 

[RinneItachi]

To be fair, I said we should wait because I don't even think the stuff we have on AD is even enough to make a profile (as it got deleted for a reason), plus if he ends up being something like Animdude in next chapters... why not.

I know. I'm saying I sincerely doubt it matters if we wait or not because it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He isn't the type of character to have a consistent or tangible power level. He's a gag character that just exists to make jokes and for easter eggs, representing Toby Fox.

Also I think the Annoying Dog has plenty for a page if we just went with the bare minimum. He has more than enough objectively correct scaling, as well as some feats to work with, and plenty of proper "likely" and "possibly" additions that shouldn't need much debate. But obviously as I've expressed I think it's weird because he is literally just Toby.

 

[Imaginym]

It was kind of a mid one if you're looking for news on UT/DR. The most exciting "news" was just that Chapter 3 is pretty much done, but no one would be surprised by that.

But otherwise it was hype.

Yeah, I'd say it was hype.
Although, "mid" might be an inaccurate description, to put it 1 way.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I don't see how any additional info would change the circumstance much. I don't think the Annoying Dog should have a page to begin with though. The Annoying Dog isn't just some random character implied to be the supreme being or whatever. The Annoying Dog literally IS Toby. Toby explicitly, exclusively, and extremely consistently uses the Annoying Dog to represent him in literally any form. Video games, merch, social media, etc.. Realistically speaking the Annoying Dog is not bound by the tiering system nor should he be applied to fiction or versus battles, nor considered a character when talking about how strong these verses are, not because he's omnipotent or above fiction or whatever, but because he canonically exists as a purely literal representation of his author both within a fictional and real-world setting, way more literal than cases like The One Above All. So to pretend that we can appropriately scale him like any other fictional character is simply ridiculous imo. And his Deltarune page should probably get removed. He seems more fitting for Joke Battles Wiki or something of a similar capacity.

Aight. Yeah ngl I know literally nothing about Touhou beyond some of the basics.

We should wait a bit more though for making an eventual Annoying Dog page though, we simply don't have enough info.

Correction: Danmaku Kagura is just another of the many fangames. Blame that to Touhou's weird nature as a Doujin Game.

Besides, made this.

Deltarune: Minor Additions

Let's make it short given that is not too damn lenghty. Civilization Profiles additions So, Undertale has as civilization profiles the Underground and Humanity, and Deltarune had nothing. So I took this fact as injustice, and made the same for Deltarune: Card Kingdom (I know it's an...

vsbattles.com

I was thinking more about something like Scott Cawthon or whatever was called the Animdude thing from FNAF, given that Annoying Dog fits more something like it, and using a random Touhou collab (with a fan-game too, to make it worse) is not something I'd use as judgment.

Only time will tell though, I think.

I know. I'm saying I sincerely doubt it matters if we wait or not because it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He isn't the type of character to have a consistent or tangible power level. He's a gag character that just exists to make jokes and for easter eggs, representing Toby Fox.

Also I think the Annoying Dog has plenty for a page if we just went with the bare minimum. He has more than enough objectively correct scaling, as well as some feats to work with, and plenty of proper "likely" and "possibly" additions that shouldn't need much debate. But obviously as I've expressed I think it's weird because he is literally just Toby.

something something WD Gaster

 

[RinneItachi]

something something WD Gaster

W.D. Boros moment.

 

[StrymULTRA]

W.D. Boros moment.

 

[RinneItachi]

 

[Omegabronic]

Well, putting here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/sans-vs-orange-piccolo.158397/

 

[RinneItachi]

Well, putting here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/sans-vs-orange-piccolo.158397/

Good lord.

 

[RinneItachi]

@Fezzih_007

 

[StrymULTRA]

Good lord.

This kind of matchups prove how DB fans don't know even their own series lmao.

 

[RinneItachi]

This kind of matchups prove how DB fans don't know even their own series lmao.

Sans should also be banned from fighting non-Undertale opponents kekw.

 

[RinneItachi]

Good vid.

 

[RinneItachi]

So you all know how the main piece of evidence suggesting that Sand Undertale might also be Sand Deltarune is the crossword puzzle with Ice-E on it, a mascot for a pizzeria in Deltarune right down the street from Sans' house and store?

Well, like...

Toby, literally why something so random, obscure, and "unimportant"?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans should also be banned from fighting non-Undertale opponents kekw.

Tbh it's the fault of people who don't understand how KR works.

A way to do better his MUs is with people who have a way to deal with his Danmaku and/or KR while also not one shotting Sans from mere AP alone, as THAT'S a good fight for him.

 

[RinneItachi]

Bro Toby is literally presenting the Ice-E head like it's something important, like it's the key bro. It's here, it's all here. He's taunting us. GASTER.

 

[StrymULTRA]

GASTER.

I'm starting to hate that word unironically given how much that's spammed lol.

 

[RinneItachi]

I'm starting to hate that word unironically given how much that's spammed lol.

It makes sense. Gaster is meant to be everywhere, just like how his theme is hidden everywhere in Undertale and heard again in Deltarune on occasion. Not just a coincidence because his theme is literally 8 common notes repeated at different tones and then looped, definitely intentional, trust!

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It makes sense. Gaster is meant to be everywhere, just like how his theme is hidden everywhere in Undertale and heard again in Deltarune on occasion. Not just a coincidence because his theme is literally 8 common notes repeated at different tones and then looped, definitely intentional, trust!

 

[RinneItachi]

Amateur.

 

[RinneItachi]

My god this old Tweet from Toby lives rent free in my head bro.

 

[RinneItachi]

Tfw in Deltarune Chapter 3 Gaster appears and asks for the funny numbers on the front and back of your mother's credit card.

 

[Fezzih_007]

@Fezzih_007

Wow, someone did noticed then.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Sorry for russian language, my head hearts too much to translate
Почему Гастер важен для Дельтаруны?
Начнём с того, что сайт Дельтаруны существовал аж с 2015 года с интересным содержимым. Он был абсолютно темной страницей, которая содержала картинку "him.png". При осветлении, мы могли увидеть вырезку из записи 17:
"ЭТОТ СЛЕДУЮЩИЙ ЭКСПЕРИМЕНТ КАЖЕТСЯ ОЧЕНЬ, ОЧЕНЬ ИНТЕРЕСНЫМ"
Позже, содержимое сайта обновилось (где-то 17 год) и всё в таком же стиле Гастер говорил следующее:
"ТРИ ГЕРОЯ ПОЯВЯТСЯ И ИЗГОНЯТ НЕБЕСА АНГЕЛА"
То, есть, связь Гастера и Дельтаруны была уже в 2015, едва игра стала популярной.
Теперь, слова насчёт выхода самой Дельтаруны. В преддверии выхода игры, Твиттер Тоби Фокса начал отсылать сообщения, которые были написаны от лица неизвестной сущности, говорящей капсом. Есть абсолютно все основания полагать, что это сущность (для простоты назову её X) и есть Гастер. Сейчас я проведу полный анализ того, почему это так.
1. Начнём с того, как говорит X в Твиттере. Эта сущность говорит капсом, делая нечётные отступы между предложениями. Аналогичный формат был у записи 17.
2. X примечает: "ВЫ ИСКАЛИ МЕНЯ? КАК ЧУДЕСНО. Я ИСКАЛ ВАС ТОЖЕ." Что отсылает к тому, что именно Гастера долго искала фан-база игры.
3. В один момент, X говорит: "...ТО, ЧТО ВЫ НАЙДЁТЕ ОЧЕНЬ, ОЧЕНЬ ИНТЕРЕСНЫМ". Стоит отметить, что даже это предложение написано в точно таком же виде, как и в записи 17 - каждое слово на отдельной строке.
4. Сам ник Тоби Фокса в преддверии выхода Deltarune был изменен на некоторое слово, состоящее из 6 букв, но зашифрованное 6 черными квадратами. "GASTER" идеально подходит, никаких противоречий нет.
В любом случае, X говорит, что то, что он нам хочет показать, далеко от полной готовности и чтобы мы вернулись на страницу через 24 часа, после чего он задаст пару вопросов. Встреча с X происходит непосредственно в начале игры.
Теперь, аргументы из игры.
1. Начнём с чисел. Типовое значение вступления - 666 (экрана смерти, при котором с нами также говорит X - 667), скорость, с которой говорит X - 666. Всё это отсылает к записи 17, где скорость речи Гастера - тоже 666. Типовое значение записи 17 - тоже 666. К тому же, все характеристики Гастера записаны шестерками в самом Undertale.
2. Музыка ANOTHER HIM. Во-первых, она содержит лейтмотив Гастера в самом явном виде. Во-вторых, отсылает к "mus_st_him.ogg" - файловое название темы Гастера в Undertale. Darkness Falls также содержит лейтмотив Гастера.
3. Опять же, речь X идентична стилю записи 17. X даже употребляет словесные обороты, очень похожие на "VERY, VERY INTERESTING": "EXCELLENT<,TRULY EXCELLENT", "OF COURSE, OF COURSE, OF COURSE THEY ARE THE SAME".
4. Пару слов о Сосуде - это существо серого цвета, в той же цветовой гамме, что последователи Гастера и гонеры. Даже спрайты Сосуда имеют в файлах в названии слово "goner". поскольку серые персонажи (гонеры) связаны с Гастером, то Сосуд аналогично.
5. Имя "GASTER" - единственное, которое игра ни при каких обстоятельствах не даст нам выбрать, что подразумевает его присутствие.
Суммируя всё сказанное, X = В. Д. Гастер. Слишком много фактов ведут к этому. Мотивы персонажа, манера речи, числовые особенности, обороты речи, 2015 год. Тоби Фокс любит такое. Например, в Undertale ещё до концовки Пацифиста есть все намёки на то, что Флауи = Азриэль, потому внимательный игрок будет готов к такому повороту.
Насчёт юридического лица. Вся продукция Undertale и Deltarune записана на компанию "Royal Sciences", что также в очередной раз пруфает Гастера.
Этот персонаж очень метовый, так как он уже 2 раза захватывал Твиттер перед выходами глав Deltarune.

 

[RinneItachi]

Not reading allat.

He's just reciting a bunch of Gaster lore bits and explaining why he's going to be a super meta and important Deltarune character.

 

[RinneItachi]

Wow, someone did noticed then.

I have a photographic memory, and I'm really good at remembering things if they are in a pattern or if it's identical to something I've seen before. I'm as good as a GPS at navigation around my town. Even if someone copied one of my oldest and most random or obscure messages, I might recognize it. That one was from like a week ago. I recognized it instantly.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Да, мы знаем все это. Здесь об этом много говорили. Но спасибо за вклад.

He's just reciting a bunch of Gaster lore bits and explaining why he's going to be a super meta and important Deltarune character.

I'm just done with people who are going "gaster just Easter egg lmao Deltarune isn't that meta"

 

[RinneItachi]

God tier video btw. If you're not interested in the explanation of musical theory shenanigans then just skip through the chapters to the theme analyzation. Really cool. Andrew is so underrated and the fact he only has 52k subs is CRIMINAL.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

I agree. There are a lot of people that somehow, genuinely believe that Gaster is insignificant and will not be important to Deltarune.

Like I mean, the funny thing is that people act like Gaster being important is just a "theory" when it is not. There is literally so much evidence, it is a genuine fact that Gaster has significance to Deltarune's underlying plot, a fact that can be proven with evidence. And to deny that is pure willful ignorance.

I really hate when people going "DR isn't UT so its not meta"

Bro it's the same UT game series

 

[RinneItachi]

Isn't he thought?

Bro no he isn't. Want me to explain?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Just don't go too hard with the fanon.

 

[RinneItachi]

I'm explaining anyways.

Entry Number Seventeen (not to be confused with Entry Number 17, made by Alphys) is made by Gaster. The room that it can be found in is LITERALLY named "room_gaster", which is in addition to everything else suggesting it to be Gaster. There is no debate, it is made by Gaster.

On the original Deltarune website, back in the early days of Undertale, an image was posted on the website, literally from Entry Number Seventeen, Gaster saying "THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT. WILL BE VERY. VERY. INTERESTING."

This image is named "him.png.". And it confirms that, no matter what a n y o n e says, Gaster has some significance to Deltarune in some way or another, even if we ignored everything that comes after.

Toby Fox, literally in the same month this image was posted, Tweeted this.

In December 2016, the "him.png" image was updated with this.

"THREE HEROES APPEARED. TO BANISH THE ANGELS HEAVEN." A direct quote from Ralsei's story-time early-game.

Then of course we get to the whole fiasco on Twitter, where a "mysterious" person whose 6 digit name is blacked out presumably hacks the Undertale/Deltarune Twitter account and starts monologuing in all caps (Gaster's Wing Ding's are exclusively in all caps) about his creation, his EXPERIMENT, and how he is excited to share it with someone he's been searching for, who has been searching for him as well (literally calling out to the easter egg finders making all these Gaster theories to begin with).

Then you have the whole "SURVEY_PROGRAM" thing with Deltarune's original name, the same person speaking in the installer text, and so on. And then presumably the same all caps entity speaking in a formal manner at the start of Deltarune speaking while "ANOTHER HIM" plays in the background, which is literally identical to Gaster's theme, just slowed down.

Lil' bro, I'm not gonna lie, if you think Gaster is not gonna be important to Deltarune's little mystery plot, you are a bit delusional.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I just have to be cautious as otherwise we end up in another incident like the 2-C Gaster attempt that was made some months ago lol.

 

[RinneItachi]

Oh, also, the whole thing about surveys, feedback, and experiments. Well, do you know what happens in the sound test room after you have listened to Gaster's theme for 20 seconds?

 

[RinneItachi]

I just have to be cautious as otherwise we end up in another incident like the 2-C Gaster attempt that was made some months ago lol.

I ain't trying to get into the scaling shit. There is no shot Gaster is gonna be anywhere below Low 2-C I'm sure, but the MAIN problem to me isn't his lack of shown/known abilities, it's the lack of detail within his abilities. Imo there is plenty we know for a Gaster page, however that would only be if we already knew Gaster in-depth and there wouldn't be more information in the future, when in reality we know like 6% about Gaster and he is going to do a lot more. It's kind of like giving a profile to God in OPM, but even worse in Gaster's case.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh, also, the whole thing about surveys, feedback, and experiments. Well, do you know what happens in the sound test room after you have listened to Gaster's theme for 20 seconds?

My guy I know already all of what you said. It's just that I don't wanna run in wild af speculations for now.

Also I'd need help for the last Deltarune CRT I made.