Touhou General Discussion Thread 2: 17.5 Edition.

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

oh uh
then idk what the **** you're talking about

hope it's a discussion rule banning all mentions of Lost Word

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

It'd affect any profile with a 9-B rating so uh. A lot of them :v

That being said I was gonna wait on Cirno's freezing calcs and Nitori's flood calc before messing with the low tiers, but I ain't gonna stop you.

Well Cirno and Nitori would help, but the fairies' feat would more reliably place their durability somewhere better as well. Plus some characters are weaker than them like the 3 fairies, and would probably need their own feats and scaling tbh

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah, I just meant I was planning on grouping all the low tier scaling together, so the lightning stuff would go alongside the freezing and flood feats.

 

[Shmooply]

hope it's a discussion rule banning all mentions of Lost Word

Ding ding ding. You won this episode of Jeopardy.

 

[Hecatia_Gaming]

Soon Lost Word profiles incoming

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

Soon Lost Word profiles incoming

Multi-continental Cirno moment

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Thank ****. Honestly, we could stand to have a description on why 'officially licensed' Touhou fangames are still just fangames and should never be used.

Soon Lost Word profiles incoming

Hm.

 

[Shmooply]

if baby junko gets a ******* profile i am going to make a faked yet highly realistic screenshot of everyone spouting propaganda of political extremist groups this is a THREAT

The only thing from Lost Word that I wish was canon would be Witch of Scarlet Dreams, for obvious reasons.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Basically, for you to manipulate boundaries you need to have enough power to resist the pressure of the ability itself. That could be basically resisting every use you get from the ability, because if not, you will die from its pressure.

Boi if I see H3-A Cirn-Wank.

 

[Pixy]

Multi-continental Cirno moment

No.... It must Universal Cirno cuz she fought okuu

 

[Shmooply]

cirno canonicaly fought okuu though so we obviously dont need lost word to make her universal SMH

I'll start writing a draft for my CRT.

 

[Shmooply]

Does anyone know how am I supposed to beat the tutorial level for Murasa in 17.5? I'm playing the Japanese version of the game, so I can't read what is the tutorial trying to teach me. Specifically I'm stuck on the part where you're supposed to use her spell card on four random dummies.

 

[Pixy]

Does anyone know how am I supposed to beat the tutorial level for Murasa in 17.5? I'm playing the Japanese version of the game, so I can't read what is the tutorial trying to teach me. Specifically I'm stuck on the part where you're supposed to use her spell card on four random dummies.

Attack + hold attack then spell card
it will be another spell card

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Learn and read Japanese.

 

[Shmooply]

Learn and read Japanese.

Watashi wa ****-a yuu.

Attack + hold attack then spell card
it will be another spell card

Thanks.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Screenshotted and soon be reported.
JK

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Watashi wa ****-a yuu.

A former Yakuza dragon girl right now:

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Reminder that, according to Ant, we should only be focusing on the most important CRTs for the time being.

Now, we obviously need to decide just what those are ahead of time, so we don't end up with a disorganized clsuterfuck of threads like last time.

 

[Shmooply]

The most important to tackle would be the stuff related to the gods, youkai regen, and of course a tier upgrade.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah. I think making a general youkai physiology revision is the best move, since it'd cut down the length on one of my CRTs. I have a bunch of stuff I could add.

So, for the time being, I think the best order is maybe:
-Youkai physiology (Mid-Godly, type 2 AE, types 3 & 8 immortality, immunities, various other minor things)
-2-C upgrades (from Tenshi shaking multiple Otherworlds, and Doremy creating multiple dreams at a time)
-God physiology (2-B upgrades, minor downgrades, all the verse powers for primordial gods, 2-A Hecatia, minor ability additions/removals)

Also keep in mind we need to start writing threads in such a way that non-supporters can mostly understand them.

 

[Hecatia_Gaming]

minor downgrades

Qué?

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

I'm hoping we can bump up the low tiers' durability and AP too. The lightning strike feat is pretty clear cut and probably wouldn't be uncontroversial considering how wall level was pretty much a placeholder due to lacking better feats.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

There are just a few minor little abilities I disagree with, its mostly massive upgrades.

I don't think god avatars should get resistance to concept manip, for example; They ARE being affected by concept manip, its just that they have a second 'form' that can continue fighting after that. If a character gets hit by a fireball and their flesh burns off, but they can keep fighting as a skeleton, that's type 2 immortality, not resistance to fire manipulation. Okina and Hecatia having multiple concepts means they can keep their resistance though.

Also removing incorporeality because they already have type 1 AE so it isn't necessary, type 1 AEs are incorporeal by default.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I'm hoping we can bump up the low tiers' durability and AP too. The lightning strike feat is pretty clear cut and probably wouldn't be uncontroversial considering how wall level was pretty much a placeholder due to lacking better feats.

That too. I'm personally waiting on those ice feats to get calced, but taking it one step at a time is a good idea as well.

 

[Hecatia_Gaming]

 

[Pixy]

I'm hoping we can bump up the low tiers' durability and AP too. The lightning strike feat is pretty clear cut and probably wouldn't be uncontroversial considering how wall level was pretty much a placeholder due to lacking better feats.

Universal Cirno

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

The day we get everybody out of the baka tier cannot come soon enough.

Kosuzu vs Kiryu when

 

[Shmooply]

nah **** that murasa vs kiryu when
also i just found out how ass her profile is like sheesh

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah I should probably get around to adding relevant scans soon-ish.

 

[Shmooply]

We should also revise the lifting strength of the entire verse. Scaling everyone to Tenshi is dumb.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

We gotta find feats first though :v

Also was the weight of Tenshi's keystone ever calced? They're not even as large as Tenshi herself, and Tenshi is pretty damn short. Class 25 seems like a huge reach.

I guess we could find a rough value of Remi and Flan uprooting trees, and maybe tengu wind being strong enough to uproot the Three Fairies of Light's tree.

or just go '**** it' and give everybody infinite lifting strength since all of them can lift Suika's gourd which contains infinite sake

 

[Shmooply]

I don't think Remi and Flan were the ones that did that feat, it was some random fodder vampire pre-Touhou 7 that managed to uplift a tree. Would onis and tengu scale to that? Considering that they're comparable or at least stronger than vampires.

or just go '**** it' and give everybody infinite lifting strength since all of them can lift Suika's gourd which contains infinite sake

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I think Akyuu was talking about vampires as a species in general when she said that, so it'd still scale to Remi and Flan. Also not 100% sure about tengu scaling, but I guess at worst they could downscale. Oni should absolutely scale though, raw physical strength is their main thing.

 

[Shmooply]

Oh yea, forgot about that. Lifting a thousands year old tree should give us a pretty decent number.
now we just need to find a way to wank or lowball it by estimating what type of tree can they uproot

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Does pushing something qualify for Lifting Strength ?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Does pushing something qualify for Lifting Strength ?

Yeah, I'm 99% sure it does. Just gotta account for friction or whatever. Did you have a specific feat in mind?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Eh, I don't really have one but I remember Tenshi pulling a big keystone from the sky and slam it to the ground, pretty sure Keystones float by itself so Tenshi would have to push it down to make it fall to the ground.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

That's literally the feat we're using for class 25 lol

I really doubt the keystone is big enough to weigh that much IMO, we really do need to find better feats.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Huh, I'm pretty sure the Keystone is larger than Tenshi, I'm talking about this feat

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So I'm gonna be honest: This isn't an LS feat. She jumps into the air, and comes down with a keystone. We know nothing about what happens in between. And considering Tenshi can just summon keystones out of thin air, well, that means she never has to so much as touch one for an attack like this. We literally cannot use this to scale like half the verse's lifting strength because there are just so many ******* problems with it.


Which means we better get started on looking for replacement feats.