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Top 20 strongest non smurfs
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I think Monarch once said she can create 8D space, but that's it. Stll wouldn't make the list though.
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Noc mind hax is every sentient being in runeterra's past, present and future putting him into puossibly infinite level depending on how long the planet of runeterra can last, this includes not only himans, but multiple non-human races and creatures. essentially anything that can have a nightmare. This is eternum nocturne specifically, normal nocturne is only the present.
Is that just a speculation? May i see citation?
Is that just a speculation? May i see citation?
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"The manifestation of all future nightmares, Eternum Nocturne now descends upon the field of justice."
I actualyy messed up and though that the past was part of it, but it is the future. mean while his weaker normal self is: A demonic amalgamation drawn from the nightmares that haunt every sentient mind.
https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/champion/nocturne/
I actualyy messed up and though that the past was part of it, but it is the future. mean while his weaker normal self is: A demonic amalgamation drawn from the nightmares that haunt every sentient mind.
https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/champion/nocturne/
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It is both.GLHF22 said:
No need to read the entire thing, the line is right there.
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I expect a bunch of people from 5 downwards to move down lol, a lot of characters are being over looked. Also that speed unequal list makes no sense compared to speed equal..
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Unless they have passive hax or infinite speed, I don't think anyone can beat Amitabha speed unequal. I mean for crying out loud man, the guy is the second fastest non-infinite speed character on the site, with the first being literally Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics).
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Him not having a win condition against most other characters on this list is a bit of a problem though. No matter how much faster you are if you cannot put down your opponent before he can think you outta existence you're out.Sir Ovens said:
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Why did you give Goku as an example against Rohan then?Firephoenixearl said:
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Again, comes back to this. Amitabha blitzes pretty much everyone who isn't infinite and up, so is he, or is he not viable for a position in speed unequal? Because the way I see it, to remain consistent, we have to establish if blitzing is a factor and if so, apply it to all those gunning for the top spot.Sir Ovens said:
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Because Oven said "He has MFTL reactions so that means anyone whose hax isn't passive or speed isn't infinite rohan beats him". I just said "no there are still dudes FAR FAR FAR faster than Rohan that have thought based hax and can still win", so to say that MFTL is not some ungodly speed.
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Blitz or not, he literally cannot put down people. He can't even kill Misogi cus of All Fiction as far as i know. Him being able to blitz means he makes the first move, but if said move cannot put down his opponent it's all for naught.Sir Ovens said:
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Blatantly false. I just said that he should have a spot there. At no point did I say that he can't be beaten.Firephoenixearl said:
It's a list of 20. You're telling me that you'd rather put Goku on there via speed blitz, when 9/10 times, Goku won't be able to kill the guys Rohan is very capable of beating?
Your argument is broken. If Amitabha can't be on the list because he can't kill people, then Goku sure as hell shouldn't be an argument against Rohan because at least Rohan has a win condition unlike Goku.
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I never said i was gonna put goku. I was giving an example to Pachi's example. Pachi said "if you had TK could you stop a bullet?" The answer is no. I gave you the example with Goku. I said that anyone faster will beat Rohan in speed unequal, even someone as fodder as goku.
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Anyone faster can beat in speed equal
Hmm...
Hmm...
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I hate you. You know i meant speed unequal, stop being a nazzi.TacticalNuke002 said:
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B-b-but
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Disregard The Fateless One. I forgot that his fatehax is 2-C (2 universes).
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how is noc higher than nihilus in speed equal but lower than him in unequal? and how is leo above noc in speed unequal too. Noc is infinite in speed.
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Noc is handsome asf.
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I give up on trying to tier these guys. Someone make another thread or sth and try to tier them better, no matter how i try to look at this, the A>B>C logic just keeps fuking it up. Just not pachi cus he'll just list Darsh and 19 Seiya characters cus he bias af
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He sees the future, so speed shouldn't matter up until they hit immeasurablePaChi2 said:
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This could be relevent if he could see 10^26 time faster than he can currently.
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Hades (Saint Seiya) I think should be on here
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again how are the limits of a character to be concidered as "smurf" ?
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They need to be strictly 3D.
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Unless the opponent is in a constant state of motion from the present into the near future moving at a velocity that is beyond Yhwach's reactions, this would be inaccurate.PaChi2 said:
Yhwach would still be able to see his opponent because his opponent wouldn't constantly be moving at such high speeds - he just wouldn't be able to see them move when they move - not in general.
The Almighty makes it so that Yhwach sees all of the future - he would see the futures of which his much faster opponent kills him - and if the speed is hax-based, then that power would then take Yhwach's side and Yhwach would gain an immunity and the Almighty nulls that power.
If the speed is natural, then Yhwach could set up traps to try and hinder the movement of the opponent, but since this opponent is tier 3, I am pretty sure nothing Yhwach can set up will hurt him and so Yhwach would just see himself die.
I'm pretty confident in saying Yhwach would likely lose speed unequal with this guy.
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From the perspective of a guy with infinite speed reactions Yhwach would be still forever.
And from the perspective of a guy with septillions times MFTL+ reaction it'd be pretty much the same.
They attack long before Yhwach can use The Almighty. Its not like the guy has prep to already set the future he wishes ya know.
From the perspective of a guy with infinite speed reactions Yhwach would be still forever.
And from the perspective of a guy with septillions times MFTL+ reaction it'd be pretty much the same.
They attack long before Yhwach can use The Almighty. Its not like the guy has prep to already set the future he wishes ya know.
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If you resist higher dimensional manipulation, does that make you a smurf?
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A smurf is a character that has abilities far higher than their own physical tier, although it usually refers to either higher dimensional or outerversalThe Causality said:
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Warpriest's mind resistance is a little strange. It might be 4-D, because both of how any old Hive God seems to be able to manifest as a 4-D form in the AP and the characteristisc of the AP itself along with him apparently being able to have his soul be Taken and be fine. If it isn't, it's scaled to the passives of the Taken or the Player Character. Best thing the PC has is mindhaxing Vex, which I guess somehow overrides the control that the Hive Mind spanning trillions/infinities of timelines has on it because Destiny's weird.Ogbunabali said:
However, the null thing comes from his Law just making him immune to anything if you're unable to match his kill count. He's been alive for billions of years, took on fleets alone and won, and once burned 585 worlds as a gift to Oryx, so take that as you will.
However, if you use him outside the AP Nihilus can't mindhax him due to his mind being in the AP and all Hive Gods outside the AP just being projections of the Oversoul except for Oryx because he did a thing that lets him manifest his Oversoul in reality.
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