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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

Not all of Death's use of Soul Wavelength is MoO, the proof of this is that we saw him using SW before and this scan's statement that he didn't use MoO.
What? I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with then. Soul and Kid are talking about how Death doesn't expand his sw across the world like Asura does. And again Asura doesn't resist it because they're at the same level, Asura's soul is just on a godly level like Death's, that's why its of equal power.
 
What from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken would place them above the Sugar Swan?
 
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And again Asura doesn't resist it because they're at the same level, Asura's soul is just on a godly level like Death's, that's why its of equal power.
Having the same level of soul/madness gives you resistance, an example of this is the madness of Arachne, Asura, Book of Eibon and etc.
 
Having the same level of soul/madness gives you resistance, an example of this is the madness of Arachne, Asura, Book of Eibon and etc.
What madness did Asura resist? Arachne is not on a godly level. The Book never effected Asura, Death or anyone else on a godly level.
 
What madness did Asura resist?
I'm referring to the opposite, other characters resisting Asura's MoF.
The Book never effected Asura, Death or anyone else on a godly level.
It literally affected the Great Old One of Power.
Arachne is not on a godly level.
And? Madness/Soul works this way, it doesn't change for a True God, the proof of this is Black Star himself who reaches the level of True God without becoming one.
 
I'm referring to the opposite, other characters resisting Asura's MoF.
That has nothing to do with Lord Death.

It literally affected the Great Old One of Power.
I'm so confused on what you're even arguing for holy shit.

And? Madness/Soul works this way, it doesn't change for a True God, the proof of this is Black Star himself who reaches the level of True God without becoming one.
What are you talking about.

Asura has never resisted Lord Death Madness of Order so he doesn't gain a resistance to it. Asura's Madness of Fear being equal to Madness of Order does not mean he resist it, they are referring to how both Asura and Death can expand their madness to effect the world. No madness SW have ever resisted one another or interacted with each other in regards to people resisting the other. I'm not sure which instance you're referring to but The Great Old One.
 
That has nothing to do with Lord Death.


I'm so confused on what you're even arguing for holy shit.


What are you talking about.

Asura has never resisted Lord Death Madness of Order so he doesn't gain a resistance to it. Asura's Madness of Fear being equal to Madness of Order does not mean he resist it, they are referring to how both Asura and Death can expand their madness to effect the world. No madness SW have ever resisted one another or interacted with each other in regards to people resisting the other. I'm not sure which instance you're referring to but The Great Old One.
Similar level of Soul/Madness to what is trying to affect you = Resistance to what tried to affect you, what I was mentioning were examples of this and how you being True God does not influence this.
 
Similar level of Soul/Madness to what is trying to affect you = Resistance to what tried to affect you, what I was mentioning were examples of this and how you being True God does not influence this.
The fact people can resist Asura's madness yet Kid says everyone would still be effected by Death's madness shows us that resistance isn't based on similar levels. Would also imply Asura would've been overpowered by the order too.
 
The fact people can resist Asura's madness yet Kid says everyone would still be effected by Death's madness shows us that resistance isn't based on similar levels. Would also imply Asura would've been overpowered by the order too.
He is referring to the regular population [this whole dialogue is about Death not controlling the population because he has hope in humanity]. Death himself was willing to kill Asura; if he could simply use the MoO against Asura, he would have already done so.[Even more so because he knows that Asura is immortal and resorted to sealing him since he didn’t have a method to deal with him]
 
He is referring to the regular population [this whole dialogue is about Death not controlling the population because he has hope in humanity]. Death himself was willing to kill Asura; if he could simply use the MoO against Asura, he would have already done so.[Even more so because he knows that Asura is immortal and resorted to sealing him since he didn’t have a method to deal with him]
Everyone is the regular population besides Kid.
 
Everyone is the regular population besides Kid.
Yeah, no. Black Star himself is recognized by Asura as someone at least comparable to True God Kid, possibly superior + the whole context of Death wanting to kill Asura, being unable to do so and sealing him because he had no other choice. The narrative of the entire story is broken with the idea that the MoO is effective in Asura.
 
Yeah, no. Black Star himself is recognized by Asura as someone at least comparable to True God Kid, possibly superior + the whole context of Death wanting to kill Asura, being unable to do so and sealing him because he had no other choice.
He's not, we see him completely unable to resist Asura's SW, Kid's comparable in physical strength not his sw. And also it definitely isn't talking about the regular population, Kid says all human emotion, nothing about regular population.
 
I'm done arguing about this though, go ahead and make a crt or make the match, Asura's supposed resistance still doesn't change him losing or winning to Karma.
 
we see him completely unable to resist Asura's SW
We literally see him overcoming the effects of Asura's MoF???
And also it definitely isn't talking about the regular population, Kid says all human emotion, nothing about regular population.
Again this doesn't work with the whole context of Death being willing to stop Asura to the point of wanting to kill him; And if we are to follow what was said to the letter, this is stated about all humans, which would make the Kishins, Witches, Weapons, Golems and any other race resistant to MoO.
Asura's supposed resistance still doesn't change him losing or winning to Karma.
This was the only wincon presented in relation to Karma, so yes for now it would be more than enough.
 
What from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken would place them above the Sugar Swan?
They have CM1 and Info 2 hax, along with AE1 Concept Type 1 & Info Type 2. Sugar Swan can't interact with them cause Info 2 and they can nuke Sugar Swan with Info 2. And iirc their haxes have layers too
 
I forget, but are higher tier resistances counted as smurfs? Because Morgoth needs to be removed (even now, his tier 3 key has Low 1-C resistances and they're going to be tier 0 resistances).
 
I forget, but are higher tier resistances counted as smurfs? Because Morgoth needs to be removed (even now, his tier 3 key has Low 1-C resistances and they're going to be tier 0 resistances).
Yes, they're considered smurf. Also, I'm pretty sure there isn't smth like tier 0 resistance.
 
Honestly I still don't know how this can work, but is this accepted, and is there a thread for it?
Yeah, it's been a thing for a while, although the High 1-A+ stuff is still undergoing some discussion.

Tier 0 characters can grant abilities to lower ones.
 
Yeah, it's been a thing for a while, although the High 1-A+ stuff is still undergoing some discussion.

Tier 0 characters can grant abilities to lower ones.
Damn that's actually nuts. Crazy to think LOTR skyrocketed to tier 0.

Tier 0 hax stuff is smth else, though it wouldn't qualify for this thread, but it's gonna be nuts in the smurf thread.
 
She DOESNT resist pain manipulation in anyway, nor does she resist curse manipulation. If she does, add it on to her page. Soul Manipulation and LIMITED Mind manipulation resistance are NOT enough to deal with a passive curse that causes pain to the mind body and soul, instantly incapacitating his enemies.
Her mind manipulation resistance isn't limited. Nowhere does her profile says it's limited.
And again, what you're saying is just not our standard. A general resistance can block a specific application of it (i.e. general mind resistance can block inducing pain by mind manipulating means). That's how it's handled. Us splitting a page off into its own thing doesn't suddenly change what resists it.
If you want to say that general resistances can't block specific applications make a CRT to get our standards changed.
Yomoji Shinsei should be removed from 6-B as their striking strength is only Town+
Put him with Eshita in Town Tier then.
 
So I had talk with a supporters of Nasuverse
I want to be sure
Does nasuverse currently have Old Gods as a profile yet?
because afaik only the Old Gods qualify for 9D as a whole
while some 8D have 9D hax scaling to them

So If Ji Ning is a full-blown 9D shouldn't he be higher then especially if he also

Also Put Captain in granblue fantasy because he's the character that is 9D that have profile atm
 
So I had talk with a supporters of Nasuverse
I want to be sure
Does nasuverse currently have Old Gods as a profile yet?
because afaik only the Old Gods qualify for 9D as a whole
while some 8D have 9D hax scaling to them

So If Ji Ning is a full-blown 9D shouldn't he be higher then especially if he also

Also Put Captain in granblue fantasy because he's the character that is 9D that have profile atm
Ji trashs the Captain with funny CM1 hax, and even funnier transduality, and also, yes, he is 9-D
 
So I had talk with a supporters of Nasuverse
I want to be sure
Does nasuverse currently have Old Gods as a profile yet?
because afaik only the Old Gods qualify for 9D as a whole
while some 8D have 9D hax scaling to them

So If Ji Ning is a full-blown 9D shouldn't he be higher then especially if he also

Also Put Captain in granblue fantasy because he's the character that is 9D that have profile atm
Old Gods?? I don't remember there are anything called Old Gods, probably you are refering to Outer Gods
 
Old Gods?? I don't remember there are anything called Old Gods, probably you are refering to Outer Gods
yeah that.
do they have a profile? since iirc only the outer Gods are 9D physically
the rest in 8D is 8D physically with some scaling to the 9D hax

and if the 1-C tier allows 8D peeps with 9D hax
how strong are the nasuverse outer gods hax scaling
 
yeah that.
do they have a profile? since iirc only the outer Gods are 9D physically
the rest in 8D is 8D physically with some scaling to the 9D hax

and if the 1-C tier allows 8D peeps with 9D hax
how strong are the nasuverse outer gods hax scaling
Outside of Abigail and indirectly BB pele I don't think any of them have a profile yet and i don't remember them ever being accepted at 9D.
 
Aight we need a nasuverse expert to clarify the state of their verse here so we know if nasuverse should be top 1 or Ji Ning should take it
 
Honestly you could make an argument for deleting the nasu pages because of how dog they are, and the fact that most of the current supporters are too busy trying to upgrade tiers than revise the profiles
Aight we need a nasuverse expert to clarify the state of their verse here so we know if nasuverse should be top 1 or Ji Ning should take it
Here is where them being accepted as 9D comes from, but it doesn't even matter anyways cause Ning out haxes to hell
Outside of Abigail and indirectly BB pele I don't think any of them have a profile yet and i don't remember them ever being accepted at 9D.
MHXX also scales to it, but this isn't all too relevant here
 
Here is where them being accepted as 9D comes from, but it doesn't even matter anyways cause Ning out haxes to hell
That's a long one. i might need an "Ultima" amount of time to read that all so I'd check some other time

So We pushing Ji ning for Top 1 in 1-C?
I'm seriously up for it but I need opinion from both parties first
Honestly you could make an argument for deleting the nasu pages because of how dog they are, and the fact that most of the current supporters are too busy trying to upgrade tiers than revise the profiles
They are just like my frfr
 
Honestly you could make an argument for deleting the nasu pages because of how dog they are, and the fact that most of the current supporters are too busy trying to upgrade tiers than revise the profiles
That is why a group should divide what they will do, a part of them make the PnA while other do Stats but I guess they cannot be coordinated because the verse is constantly attacked with downgrade threads.
 
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