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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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Arkenis said:
No mind resistance is mind resistance, madness resistance is different. Kishin's madness manip is type 3 and comes from his soul, like all soul wavelengths do in soul eater.
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Yeah generally you can resist type 2 madness manip as a by-product of resisting some kinds of mind manip, and even biological mind manipulation resistance helps with biological madness, but Type 3 Madness is an entirely different animal and can only be resisted by having a feat of resisting it.
YungManzi said:
@DaReaperMan

Seriously though, cut the profile a break, back when most of those were added puttings scans and references for powers wasn't at all common practice.
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Profiles have been negged off the list for being shitty so... yeah.
 
Arkenis said:
No mind resistance is mind resistance, madness resistance is different. Kishin's madness manip is type 3 and comes from his soul, like all soul wavelengths do in soul eater.
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It should probably say type 3 on the profile (Also I honestly don't understand the difference between types 2 and 3)

Isn't type 3 just passive type 2?
 
YungManzi said:
It should probably say type 3 on the profile (Also I honestly don't understand the difference between types 2 and 3)
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it in directly does, Type 3 is one's presence being what causes the madness, in Kishin's case, his soul wavelength causes madness. I'll add this to the crt and to his page so it's better understood.
 
YungManzi said:
It should probably say type 3 on the profile (Also I honestly don't understand the difference between types 2 and 3)
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The main difference is type 2 is by just effecting the mind, hence why resisting mind manipulation can cover it

Type 3 on the other hand is basically Lovecraftian madness given its own sodding type, it works by the being's very existence being what it is, think Cthulhu or Great ones from Bloodborne

Kishin falls under both types 2 and 3 becuase his madness both interfaces with the mind directly and is a by-product of his own existence, he can't control it or **** with it, he causes madness as a by-product of his very existence.
 
Type 3 is basically just social influencing but with madness and by form.

Like looking at a weirdly shaped cube will make you go insane without doing anything to your biological and mental stuff.
 
Okay so(if we're letting kinda bad profile in) Cthulhu seems to ******* wreck the 3rd, 5th, and 6th spots on High 6-B but loses to the 7th and 4th spots, what in the shit do we do in a case like this? His W/L ratio is better for 3rd but he still LOSES to 7th and 4th.
YungManzi said:
Hmm

All that being the case, Law definitely can't do anything about that, can he?
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Law currently kind of just incons, once Kishin gets revised he stomps
 
DaReaperMan said:
Okay so(if we're letting kinda bad profile in) Cthulhu seems to ******* wreck the 3rd, 5th, and 6th spots on High 6-B but loses to the 7th and 4th spots, what in the shit do we do in a case like this? His W/L ratio is better for 3rd but he still LOSES to 7th and 4th.

Law currently kind of just incons, once Kishin gets revised he stomps
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i thought Cthulhu is a smurf?
 
Higher dimensional manip has also been reworked.
What does his hgiher manip does anyway there are dimensional manipulation that isnt smurf now aka reducing someone to lower dimension
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
cthulu myhtos is tier 1 because their higher dimensions are bigger infinities
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Oh yeah, that

And Cthulhu has only possibly higher-dimensional manipulation.

But Cthulhu is also a species that has higher-D existence and manipulation.

So make of that as you will
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Higher dimensional manip has also been reworked.
What does his hgiher manip does anyway there are dimensional manipulation that isnt smurf now aka reducing someone to lower dimension
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Pretty sure reducing an existence higher than yours to a lower dimension would count as smurf
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Not if its on his own dimensional level and he reduces someone to lower than his.
Like a 3Dperson capable of reducing another 3D object to 2D and such
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Hmmm. Who even does that? And is it reducing someone to fiction? Cause that may just be subjective reality, unless our standards changed.

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I also have a character who can do that if it's the case, which is why I'm asking.
 
azontr said:
Does anybody in Low 7-C have anything against 19-20 layered passive power null with several hundred meters of AoE, 19-20 layered Low-High regeneration negation, 19-20 layered dura negation, 19-20 layered attack reflection, among other things?
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azontr said:
The durability negation and power null is also homing and instantaneous, so it can't be avoided.
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Poke.
 
YungManzi said:
Hmmm. Who even does that? And is it reducing someone to fiction? Cause that may just be subjective reality, unless our standards changed.

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I also have a character who can do that if it's the case, which is why I'm asking.
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Not really subjective if it specifically affects the entirety of dimensionality and not just making it fictio

And no reducing someone to simply a fiction does not grant that. It goes against the description since ascendant of composite heirarchy and such doesn't grant that since dimensional manipulation is purely math or/and physics
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Not really subjective if it specifically affects the entirety of dimensionality and not just making it fictio

And no reducing someone to simply a fiction does not grant that. It goes against the description since ascendant of composite heirarchy and such doesn't grant that since dimensional manipulation is purely math or/and physics
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Pretty sure reality fiction transcendence is considered a dimensional difference now outside of mathematics, but eh.
 
YungManzi said:
Pretty sure reality fiction transcendence is considered a dimensional difference now outside of mathematics, but eh.
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then you thought wrong
There is a difference between dimensional transcendence and Reality fiction transcendence
both are qualitative difference but that doesn't mean they are the same all and all
 
azontr said:
They don't have a character profile yet, I'm just asking for future reference because I don't know anything about the characters on this list.
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Well it’s hard to say without a profile. They might just have no counter to like D-Gray man.
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
then you thought wrong
There is a difference between dimensional transcendence and Reality fiction transcendence
both are qualitative difference but that doesn't mean they are the same all and all
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So if both are qualitative differences, what makes one higher dimensional manipulation and the other not?
 
YungManzi said:
So if both are qualitative differences, what makes one higher dimensional manipulation and the other not?
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because one literally tackles mathematical dimensions and explains and portray it and not a hierarchy difference that is present in composite heirarchy when it coems to R>F.
like just read dimensional manipulation notes
Note that only dimensions in a mathematical sense are included, not manipulations of hierarchical spaces merely equivalent to such, and neither does affecting entire timelines, as without further context it could be classified as an AP feat or a range feat for a particular ability.
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Also the reason why Arale lost the ability even though she can enter the author's world as she wants or remain as a drawing as she wants
 
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azontr said:
Does anybody in Low 7-C have anything against 19-20 layered passive power null with several hundred meters of AoE, 19-20 layered Low-High regeneration negation, 19-20 layered dura negation, 19-20 layered attack reflection, among other things?
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Whats the character?
 
Like for Vahanato in particular not only does she have all the verse hax with all of them bypassing 10 layers, she has NEP and her and CFE are probably some of the highest ranking 2-Bs in terms of AP and range too (With the CFE's body making up that range). Literally; Countless x Near Infinite x 5 space-times.
 
"Near Infinite" is just another world for countless, which in itself is just a nebulous value of 2-B. So, let's not get too carried away with that.
 
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