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Welp, after the latest post, I can confidently say The Hunter can't beat the Vitreus Drinker. Lacks resistance to a passive incap ability, as admitted by Weekly.
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What? I never said that, i am still of the belief that the Hunter stomps the Drinker and am currently writing a response as to why that isWelp, after the latest post, I can confidently say The Hunter can't beat the Vitreus Drinker. Lacks resistance to a passive incap ability, as admitted by Weekly.
Bro?What? I never said that, i am still of the belief that the Hunter stomps the Drinker and am currently writing a response as to why that is
Please dont put words in my mouth
Six, so fair on that point, that works once, Hunter resurrects and changes his strategy to kill the drinker before it can look at him.
You...you do know that the entire reason the Hunter is so high on this list is because he can be killed over and over again and just keep coming back with new strategies right? Dying once is not indicative that the Hunter loses a matchBro?
It doesnt need toThe ability doesn't kill. That's the point.
If The Hunter rewinds, Vecna tells the creature what to do next. He effectively continuously incaps for Vecna to keep getting knowledge.It doesnt need to
Wouldnt work, time gets rewoundIf The Hunter rewinds, Vecna tells the creature what to do next. He effectively continuously incaps for Vecna to keep getting knowledge.
And why is that exactly? The rewind affects beings that exist in alternate planes of realityMy boi, Vecna would not be affected by that. He will retain the knowledge the creature gathered, and use it to direct it from there.
Bro? xDAnd why is that exactly? The rewind affects beings that exist in multiple planes simultaneously
Yes? My question still stands unless youre using his true form in which case that is 100% smurf if not outside helpBro? xD
You do know who Vecna is, right?
Already brought it up, is not considered smurf because all Vecna is doing is telling the creature what to do. Is not giving it any ability, nor boost or anything.Yes? My question still stands unless youre using his true form in which case that is 100% smurf if not outside help
Yes, that would be outside help, which isnt allowed for the same reason that prep time isnt allowedAlready brought it up, is not considered smurf because all Vecna is doing is telling the creature what to do. Is not giving it any ability, nor boost or anything.
Which the Hunter can bypassPassive forcefield,
Which wouldnt work due to rewind + range spampassive incap ability,
Said wincon requiring concentration and thus preventing it from using a lot of its other abilitiesthe mentality to keep abusing its wincon.
The Hunter wins thoughAt the absolute worse, the hunter gets another incon.
Not really? Its bread and butter abilities cap at 60 yards, the Hunter's ranged attacks have 10x that rangeThe creature already can deal with the range spam, it's main ability doesn't require concentration.
Am saying my piece in the thread now. The Hunter is winning. Rather easily at that.Said my piece and provided the scan in the thread. The Hunter ain't winning.
It can fight 4 opponents with comparable to even greater skill, that can range spam just as much if not more, with greater variety of abilities and still reign on top. It simply is a non factor to it, specially when the creature can locate The Hunter rather easily (literally his entire gimmick is to have eyes everywhere).Not really? Its bread and butter abilities cap at 60 yards, the Hunter's ranged attacks have 10x that range
Am saying my piece in the thread now. The Hunter is winning. Rather easily at that.
Cool, it would be fighting 7 here, and the Hunter would pick up on that immediately and know to kill the crows asapIt can fight 4 opponents with comparable to even greater skill, that can range spam just as much if not more, with greater variety of abilities and still reign on top. It simply is a non factor to it, specially when the creature can locate The Hunter rather easily (literally his entire gimmick is to have eyes everywhere).
Okay? So it gazes the Hunter and then gets mobbed by the other six huntersA single dimension door and the Hunter gets once more under its Gaze. It's a perpetual incap.
I can make a quick CRT if you'd likeI have also looked at the Hunter's profile, still don't see the ability to bypass the forcefield.
That's well within it's ability. Reminder the entire school of conjuration magic exists.Cool, it would be fighting 7 here
They can't ambush, the ravens exist. Plus, it can fight just as many opponents and reign ontop.Okay? So it gazes the Hunter and then gets mobbed by the other six hunters
That would be good, yeh. Still doesn't change my overall argument, tho.I can make a quick CRT if you'd like
And?That's well within it's ability. Reminder the entire school of conjuration magic exists.
They dont need to ambush, 6 hunters as strong, fast, and skilled as the Hunter all swarming the Drinker at once would kill it in seconds, especially when hitting it once would cause its Gaze to drop concentrationThey can't ambush, the ravens exist. Plus, it can fight just as many opponents and reign ontop.
Your argument thus far has been debunked. As a D&D knowledgeable member, the Drinker loses here.That would be good, yeh. Still doesn't change my overall argument, tho.
If you can't see how the ability to already negate one of the Hunter's tactics its useful, I don't know what to tell you.And?
No, they wouldn't. D&D Adventurers exist, they cannot manage that even with summons. Also, no. The Gaze wouldn't drop, it would now affect the summons. With a single dimension door, it can reposition itself to affect all of them at once.They dont need to ambush, 6 hunters as strong, fast, and skilled as the Hunter all swarming the Drinker at once would kill it in seconds, especially when hitting it once would cause its Gaze to drop concentration
Nope. My argument it's just as valid (and a more likely ending to the fight imo). Also, why do you keep spamming being knowledgeable on dnd? I'm knowledgeable on it as well, lol.Your argument thus far has been debunked. As a D&D knowledgeable member, the Drinker loses here.
How does it negate it exactly?If you can't see how the ability to already negate one of the Hunter's tactics its useful, I don't know what to tell you.
Bro, you literally posted the stat block that says the gaze is a single target ability, it can only affect one of them at a time.No, they wouldn't. D&D Adventurers exist, they cannot manage that even with summons. Also, no. The Gaze wouldn't drop, it would now affect the summons. With a single dimension door, it can reposition itself to affect all of them at once.
Because i know both verses well enough to know the Drinker does not win hereNope. My argument it's just as valid (and a more likely ending to the fight imo). Also, why do you keep spamming being knowledgeable on dnd? I'm knowledgeable on it as well, lol.
You know the verse so well that you don't know a gaze attack affect every target the creature sees.Bro, you literally posted the stat block that says the gaze is a single target ability, it can only affect one of them at a time.
Because i know both verses well enough to know the Drinker does not win here
You know the verse so well that you forgot that sight aversion and eye concealment nulls gaze attacksYou know the verse so well that you don't know a gaze attack affect every target the creature sees.
Please stop spamming you're knowledgeable. You aren't.
Now read the statblock again.You know the verse so well that you forgot that sight aversion and eye concealment nulls gaze attacks
but a creature must attempt another
save each round it remains within range of the gaze
Yes, 7-C, High 6-C, and 5-A...
Y'all don't plan to add Bloodborne to any other tier right? I really don't want to go through all this shit.
Debating is fun, tho ayy...
Y'all don't plan to add Bloodborne to any other tier right? I really don't want to go through all this shit.
Y'all deadass debating Dorks n Dumbasses right now, hold this L.
SighYes, 7-C, High 6-C, and 5-A
Best part is 8-A isnt even the haxxy key, its the weakest and least haxxed one
Law's slapping The Hunter and that's on 55th street.Sigh
Why it had to be H6C? Why?
I have, multiple times, vision concealment would still **** over the initial attempt to use the Gaze ability, which would be more than enough time to turn the drinker into a pulp before the allotted 6 seconds that a rounds lasts passesNow read the statblock again.
Make the thread, babeI have, multiple times, vision concealment would still **** over the initial attempt to use the Gaze ability, which would be more than enough time to turn the drinker into a pulp before the allotted 6 seconds that a rounds lasts passes