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The cant, thats the thing
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)
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Btw. anyone in market for the free 10-B places? 'cause I have a bunch of ideas. Some more weird, some less.
The way I would order them:
6. Shichinin Misaki: Death just from meeting it (passive) and exists as a 'framework' rather than physically (so rather hard to effect, kinda similar to a type 2 abstract, although I went for incorporeality as conservative guess)
7. Akane Kiryu: Possession, Soul Steal, Incorporeality (as ghosts) and hard to kill (even if exorcised they reappear due to a time loop)
8. Yuuri Kumoi: Illusions that can kill you for real, above baseline mind hax, Power Mimicry
9. Hinata Tachibana: Passive charm mind hax and social influencing
10. Teruhashi: Passive social influencing (of higher calibre than Hinata at that)
Or maybe Yuuri at 10th, as hers is not passive... Honestly, last three are easy to beat with the right resistances, but I will still suggest them for the time being.
The way I would order them:
6. Shichinin Misaki: Death just from meeting it (passive) and exists as a 'framework' rather than physically (so rather hard to effect, kinda similar to a type 2 abstract, although I went for incorporeality as conservative guess)
7. Akane Kiryu: Possession, Soul Steal, Incorporeality (as ghosts) and hard to kill (even if exorcised they reappear due to a time loop)
8. Yuuri Kumoi: Illusions that can kill you for real, above baseline mind hax, Power Mimicry
9. Hinata Tachibana: Passive charm mind hax and social influencing
10. Teruhashi: Passive social influencing (of higher calibre than Hinata at that)
Or maybe Yuuri at 10th, as hers is not passive... Honestly, last three are easy to beat with the right resistances, but I will still suggest them for the time being.
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So the reasonings on this thread were very off in regards to the Vitreus Drinker and the Hunter, as neither participant knew about the creature (from mistaken mechanics, and lack of knowledge of the creature's standard tactics).
I would personally suggest a new thread be made to discuss the match properly.
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Im currently responding to everything you wrote, most of it doesnt matter
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It's better to do it on a new thread.
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Why? The result will be the same
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According to you.
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Yukio Hans Vorarlberna is also a great placement for 10-B, i'll explain Yukio's power-set more in-depth later as i'm too lazy to do so right now
.Also i'm sure both Yukio and Shichinin beat the 5th placement as well.
Edit: Ruvik would also be a good contender as well after i'm done revising his profile.
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Yes, according to me, one of the people on this wiki who is knowledgeable on D&D, the result will be the same
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With all due respect, I don't trust your knowledge on dnd, for the multiple errors your breakdown of the match had.
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Ironically, I feel like he might beat the first two I mentioned, but might go down against the social influencers in the last two places lolYukio Hans Vorarlberna is also a great placement for 10-B, i'll explain Yukio's power-set more in-depth later as i'm too lazy to do so right now
Also i'm sure both Yukio and Shichinin beat the 5th placement as well.
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Nah, he deserve the first spot
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It really do be like that sometimes tbh.
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I haven't fully started yet (Bleach has been my main priory rn) but i'm probably going to start focusing on revising his profile after a couple future revisions.
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But ngl I don't understand why he would be 10-B
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I'm just scaling him to his base key because of the lack of physical feats from Ruvik, it's the most objective piece of scaling we have for him imo.
I don't believe he should be assumed comparable in physical AP to the likes of ****** or Laura because of his lack of actual physical feats, he would be higher than 10-B with his TK and fused form though. I'm just specifically talking about his physical AP.
I don't believe he should be assumed comparable in physical AP to the likes of ****** or Laura because of his lack of actual physical feats, he would be higher than 10-B with his TK and fused form though. I'm just specifically talking about his physical AP.
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That depends on what you mean by "base". But considering your last sentence, Ruvik would probably be something like 9-A, since he was able to defeat Sebastian with a single arm (And yes, Seb is not a normal human, this is explicit by him being thrown through so many walls in the last boss battle lol)
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When i'm referencing "base" i'm referencing what his 10-B is called, just for more context.
Depends on the form he defeats Sebastian in, because if you're referencing the Mansion level then Ruvik used his Biological Manipulation/Durability Negation to explode Sebastian from the inside out. But if you're referencing something else then he possibly could be 9-A, need more context. If you're referencing his fused form then i definitely agree he should at least be 9-A, if not higher, depends on the calc i guess.
Depends on the form he defeats Sebastian in, because if you're referencing the Mansion level then Ruvik used his Biological Manipulation/Durability Negation to explode Sebastian from the inside out. But if you're referencing something else then he possibly could be 9-A, need more context. If you're referencing his fused form then i definitely agree he should at least be 9-A, if not higher, depends on the calc i guess.
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They can't because it's hard or because of something else?
Like, if they can't even keep the portal open for a few second or open it at will, what was even the point of your example?
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I can see people believing this seems more Lifting Strength related rather then AP related, but since he's actively hurting Sebastian with his grip strength that should be scaleable to his AP tbh.
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The Hunter themselves are unable to open portals
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So, after discussing a bit more with Weekly on the Hunter vs Vitreus Drinker matchup, I discovered something that may render them illegitimate for the list.
They receive constant advise and guidance from this asshole. Would that be considered outside help and/or smurf?
They receive constant advise and guidance from this asshole. Would that be considered outside help and/or smurf?
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For his true form, or his first key? And how does he exactly help them?
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So how exactly would you give him BFR if he doesn't even have the power in the first place? It doesn't make sense.
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He directs them so they are able to reach a dark purpose. What that entails exactly is unknown.
Exact quote:
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Exactly, same reasoning for Susamikado having sealing when he doesnt even have the power in the first place
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As long as vecna doesn't actually do anything, no
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From what I can gather, he tells them what to do in order to achieve his goal. That's it.
Edit: For a bit more context: The purpose of the Vitreus Drinker is to collect knowledge. They form entire rings of spionage abusing their ability to see through the eyes of creatures they touch. A single one can take over an entire town and even the fauna around given time, spying everything, everywhere and everyone.
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From DT's scans he does
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He doesn't grant them any protection, buffs, precognition or shit like that? Then no they're okay
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From DT's scans he doesnt
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So you have the scans available and are just willingly not putting them on the profiles?
Okay then, provide scans for everything on Susamikado's profile please
Explanations and scans are not the same thing.
You say this like i wasnt an admin before, i know full well what is required and its not as strenuous or time consuming as youre leading to believe, and i still managed to do CRTs and updates for my profiles on top of that back then and even now i barely have any time out of my day to dedicate to this site but i still get stuff done.
The wiki doesnt allow that though, have you seen the deletion thread? Low-quality pages are purged every day because they dont meet the standards set by the wiki.
So you believe yourself to be above the standards of the wiki. Good to know.
Much like the conceptual sealing, thats something the Hunter could possibly do, but has never done
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Literally does. Your analogy isn't evwn close to disproving susamikado's sealing considering the hunter can't even open portals
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He may use his own* to advise them better, but that's not explicit and it's me inferring.
But he doesn't give them any boons like that. Also, see the edit.
*Referring to Precognition
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susamikado cannot seal with its concept manip and the only application of it is literally theoretical, just like how the hunter can theoretically BFR via portals
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Doesn't seem like smurf to me. What would count is someone like sinbad receiving protection from gods higher on the hierarchy
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That's stupidly broken then, damn.
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