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Is him having spells and time hax not considered smurf? Since it's already 4D naturally?
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation
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Time Manipulation has consistently been rejected as inherently 4-D through reasons unknown to me.
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We don't count time hax as smurf unless it affects the entire continuum
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Isn't that a misnomer? Considering Time Stop is assumed to be universal in range (Low 2-C) aka 4D unless stated otherwise?
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Sora got quite handily defeated by Z which means he'd be put above him. Idk who'd be higher between Yang Qi though as they both stomped. Oh and also, Z is merely one of the god tiers in Xenoblade so "Characters from Xenoblade (Alvis, Alpha, Z, Shulk, etc)" would be necessary.
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I mean, for one fear and madness hax wouldn't help, as Mamoru doesn't need to control his ability. It's passively active and he couldn't stop it if he wanted to.
That aside, the thing you missing is that his infinite luck also modifies the past. Basically, he doesn't need to deal with Echidna, because she retroactively will have died in a freak accident before the battle even started. To defeat him she would have to have had a 0% chance of not dying/getting incapped at some point before the fight.
Social influencing isn't resisted via mind hax resistance, though.
Anyway, I could see their social influencing take down Echidna. It's passive vs. passive, but Echidna can turn hers off and given the social influencing probably will.
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Just do the match between chinaman and Xenoblade
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I don't see it taking down Echidna. They will immediately just trying killing themselves. Madness and fear stuff seems a lot more potent to me than some charm.
Echidna has resisted charm auras at a level that is essentially passive empathic and perception hax since she is unaffected by Camilla's Authority of Lust which captivates people so hard they would ignore themselves dying. Really don't see that social influencing working on her at all.
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Honestly, I have my doubts that that actually always immediately happens. Like, does she life in total isolation to prevent people from constantly offing themselves?
That said, people fall in love with Teruhashi faster than she herself would know how to kill herself. And Echidna has healing, meaning whatever small damage a teenage girl could do to herself that fast, will be healed by Echidna's own hands the moment she is captivated by her.
Those are mind effects, though. Not social influencing. The ability of preventing someone from supernaturally messing with your mind doesn't prevent natural charisma. You can still like someone with mind hax resistance.
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Is Black Clover strong enough for this
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Carmilla's Lust Authority does the whole charm and captivation thing but stronger.
This is just the natural effect of her authority.
And, social influencing may be different from mind/empathy hax on the surface, but at a higher level it is almost indistinguishable and works essentially the same way as a passive empathic hax.
Seriously, what's the difference between a charm/social influencing aura that makes people immediately do anything for you, and passive empathic hax?
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I would like to suggest the Year-300 Heroes for the bottom of 5-C (so #6), in their "Mankai (YuYuYu)" keys.
All 6 of them possess Type 8 Immortality and Invulnerability to any physical/bodily harm below universe level.
The wording I suggest for the list is:
Characters from Yuki Yuna is a Hero (Year-300 Heroes)
All 6 of them possess Type 8 Immortality and Invulnerability to any physical/bodily harm below universe level.
The wording I suggest for the list is:
Characters from Yuki Yuna is a Hero (Year-300 Heroes)
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The difference is the mechanism. And that's always what one needs to go by when looking at how abilities interact. Just because the result of two abilities is similar, that doesn't mean you can resist them via the same ability. (e.g. spatial intangibility and ghost-like intangibility need different abilities to be circumvented, despite both making intangible on the surface)
Mind manipulation supernaturally manipulates the mind. So if you are protected from anyone forcefully changing how your mind works, you are good to go. However, being protected from mind manipulation wouldn't mean that you can't still find someone sympathetic. You can still think someone is beautiful and be stricken by that.
Being completely immune to social influencing would mean that you are essentially incapable of ever liking anyone, period. Because social influencing is nothing but the normal act of making someone like you. Just taken up to 11. There is no supernatural power involved and your mind in essence works as it should. It's just that the natural attraction towards beautiful things is abused in this case.
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I know a character who has resistance to social influencing, but he is quite sentimental
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That's why I said immunity, not resistance. If you just resist it you can of course still like people. The point was to demonstrate how social influencing is an extension of just regular social relationships and how a mind resistance wouldn't really be expected to have an influence on how you make friends or lovers.
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Now it's waiting to see what happens.
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In the case of the characters mentioned, the charm they have is not due to an "act."
It's passive. Meaning, it is merely a byproduct of their existence. A natural aura of sorts that affects those who so much as look at them and immediately changes what those people think of them.
An empathic manipulation aura not only produces this same effect, but it is the same exact mechanism. It is a byproduct of their natural aura/presence/character that also immediately changes what people think of them.
Maybe I would understand the difference if you were trying to say the mechanism was via an act of manipulation, but that can not be the case if it's a passive charm.
Being so beautiful that you instantly, without any action or effort, make anyone who looks at you a love slave is 100% a supernatural power and I do not see a difference between it and the empathic manipulation that I brought up.
Imo that really shouldn't just be "social influencing," at that point it is just empathic manipulation.
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Timekeeper Cookie to 10th in 2-B
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As much as it looks similar, it just functionally is not that. There is no supernatural power that alters the mind here. It's just beauty. It's passive, because you can look at beauty all on your own.
There hence is also no aura. Teruhashi has an aura, but that's a completely separate thing.
The result is similar, the mechanism is not. You're basically saying that powernull of supernatural powers / magic should be able to negate pressure points that make humans explode, because such pressure points are not realistic.
Yeah, they are not realistic. But that doesn't change that the fundamental nature of the technique is not supernatural. I even know a character with such social influencing where it's specifically spelt out that it's in no way supernatural.
Just because it's ridiculous doesn't change what it is.
Well, if the one attacking can see how beautiful the target is, it would make little difference. If the attacker couldn't percieve them it might become a problem.
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dark enchantress cookie slams timekeeper cookie
also i made a sonic vs dark enchantress cookie matchup
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You've yet to prove how the mechanism is not the same.
You have only falsely equivalated my argument to something I am absolutely not saying.
Just because you or an author claims a blatantly supernatural ability isn't supernatural, it doesn't change this:
They are doing the same thing to produce the same effects.
I don't know why you are acting like social influencing isn't meant to also affect the minds of others. How else would you influence them?
The difference between social influencing and empathic manipulation is that SI is usually an active capability done through acts of talking, manipulating, persuading, etc.
But if you get rid of that part and just make it some passive thing that influences emotions directly and potently, that is just empathic manipulation:
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he's already above sora now as per latest match that happened
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XENOBLADE W
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Gotta compensate the W by throwing Z at chinaman
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No idea what bro does so I'mma just sit back and watch
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woody woodpecker stomps garou in 5-A? he has passive plot hax
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Possibly.
Woody has immortalities and regeneration, can resist Garou's passive aura, and from what I've talked to supporters IT SEEMS that Garou couldn't copy more supernatural stuff than this universe thing.
But I'm busy with another game with Woody and possible updates for him.
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I have added the requested changes.
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soo whens nasuverse gonna be dethroned from #1
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And then a guy with some powder comes along and kills everyone with a rifle shot
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Nominate Shiro Hinomoto for 7-B tenth spot
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Most agree that Legion seems to beat The Hunter here, and there's been no real response from opposition for a while. Should i keep waiting until the match reaches grace period, or is it fine for "Characters from Fray (Legion & Magpie)" to take Hunter's spot?
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Z and Yang Qi has been deemed inconclusive as neither parties can affect one another. Thus they should be put at a shared spot in #2 Low 1-C as they both also stomped Sora. On another note, Z should be updated to "Characters from Xenoblade (Z, Alpha, Alvis, etc) as Z is not the top tier of his verse
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Would this also extend to characters like Pneuma? Pneuma should be comparable to Alvis as a part of the Trinity Processor
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You can remove him from H7C, he won't be it soon. Can go to L7C
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