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Is him having spells and time hax not considered smurf? Since it's already 4D naturally?All of them are 5-A.
His strongest 5-A form would be his Fairy Heart version.
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Is him having spells and time hax not considered smurf? Since it's already 4D naturally?All of them are 5-A.
His strongest 5-A form would be his Fairy Heart version.
Time Manipulation has consistently been rejected as inherently 4-D through reasons unknown to me.Is him having spells and time hax not considered smurf? Since it's already 4D naturally?
We don't count time hax as smurf unless it affects the entire continuumIs him having spells and time hax not considered smurf? Since it's already 4D naturally?
Time Manipulation has consistently been rejected as inherently 4-D through reasons unknown to me.
lolWe don't count time hax as smurf unless it affects the entire continuum
Isn't that a misnomer? Considering Time Stop is assumed to be universal in range (Low 2-C) aka 4D unless stated otherwise?We don't count time hax as smurf unless it affects the entire continuum
I mean, for one fear and madness hax wouldn't help, as Mamoru doesn't need to control his ability. It's passively active and he couldn't stop it if he wanted to.That doesn't really tell me anything important though.
Like, sure, it's passive, but if it has no feats of cancelling passives like madness or feat hax, how is he going to survive?
What are some feats he's done?
Social influencing isn't resisted via mind hax resistance, though.If Jean can apparently get past madness hax then social influencing should be no issue.
Just do the match between chinaman and XenobladeSora got quite handily defeated by Z which means he'd be put above him. Idk who'd be higher between Yang Qi though as they both stomped. Oh and also, Z is merely one of the god tiers in Xenoblade so "Characters from Xenoblade (Alvis, Alpha, Z, Shulk, etc)" would be necessary.
I don't see it taking down Echidna. They will immediately just trying killing themselves. Madness and fear stuff seems a lot more potent to me than some charm.Social influencing isn't resisted via mind hax resistance, though.
Anyway, I could see their social influencing take down Echidna. It's passive vs. passive, but Echidna can turn hers off and given the social influencing probably will.
Honestly, I have my doubts that that actually always immediately happens. Like, does she life in total isolation to prevent people from constantly offing themselves?I don't see it taking down Echidna. They will immediately just trying killing themselves. Madness and fear stuff seems a lot more potent to me than some charm.
Those are mind effects, though. Not social influencing. The ability of preventing someone from supernaturally messing with your mind doesn't prevent natural charisma. You can still like someone with mind hax resistance.Echidna has resisted charm auras at a level that is essentially passive empathic and perception hax since she is unaffected by Camilla's Authority of Lust which captivates people so hard they would ignore themselves dying. Really don't see that social influencing working on her at all.
Carmilla's Lust Authority does the whole charm and captivation thing but stronger.Honestly, I have my doubts that that actually always immediately happens. Like, does she life in total isolation to prevent people from constantly offing themselves?
That said, people fall in love with Teruhashi faster than she herself would know how to kill herself. And Echidna has healing, meaning whatever small damage a teenage girl could do to herself that fast, will be healed by Echidna's own hands the moment she is captivated by her.
Those are mind effects, though. Not social influencing. The ability of preventing someone from supernaturally messing with your mind doesn't prevent natural charisma. You can still like someone with mind hax resistance.
Carmilla captivates people, making them so absorbed in watching her that they forget how to breathe, lose all sense of awareness to the point they wouldn't notice if someone stabbed them or if they were burning...
The difference is the mechanism. And that's always what one needs to go by when looking at how abilities interact. Just because the result of two abilities is similar, that doesn't mean you can resist them via the same ability. (e.g. spatial intangibility and ghost-like intangibility need different abilities to be circumvented, despite both making intangible on the surface)Carmilla's Lust Authority does the whole charm and captivation thing but stronger.
This is just the natural effect of her authority.
And, social influencing may be different from mind/empathy hax on the surface, but at a higher level it is almost indistinguishable and works essentially the same way as a passive empathic hax.
Seriously, what's the difference between a charm/social influencing aura that makes people immediately do anything for you, and passive empathic hax?
That's why I said immunity, not resistance. If you just resist it you can of course still like people. The point was to demonstrate how social influencing is an extension of just regular social relationships and how a mind resistance wouldn't really be expected to have an influence on how you make friends or lovers.I know a character who has resistance to social influencing, but he is quite sentimental
@Phsccarvalho I would recommend you making a verses thread for a higher position, especially since I'm not knowledgeable on most characters in 5-A, so I can't really tell if Woody would actually win those matches or not.
In the case of the characters mentioned, the charm they have is not due to an "act."The difference is the mechanism. And that's always what one needs to go by when looking at how abilities interact. Just because the result of two abilities is similar, that doesn't mean you can resist them via the same ability. (e.g. spatial intangibility and ghost-like intangibility need different abilities to be circumvented, despite both making intangible on the surface)
Mind manipulation supernaturally manipulates the mind. So if you are protected from anyone forcefully changing how your mind works, you are good to go. However, being protected from mind manipulation wouldn't mean that you can't still find someone sympathetic. You can still think someone is beautiful and be stricken by that.
Being completely immune to social influencing would mean that you are essentially incapable of ever liking anyone, period. Because social influencing is nothing but the normal act of making someone like you. Just taken up to 11. There is no supernatural power involved and your mind in essence works as it should. It's just that the natural attraction towards beautiful things is abused in this case.
As much as it looks similar, it just functionally is not that. There is no supernatural power that alters the mind here. It's just beauty. It's passive, because you can look at beauty all on your own.In the case of the characters mentioned, the charm they have is not due to an "act."
It's passive. Meaning, it is merely a byproduct of their existence. A natural aura of sorts that affects those who so much as look at them and immediately changes what those people think of them.
An empathic manipulation aura not only produces this same effect, but it is the same exact mechanism. It is a byproduct of their natural aura/presence/character that also immediately changes what people think of them.
Maybe I would understand the difference if you were trying to say the mechanism was via an act of manipulation, but that can not be the case if it's a passive charm.
Being so beautiful that you instantly, without any action or effort, make anyone who looks at you a love slave is 100% a supernatural power and I do not see a difference between it and the empathic manipulation that I brought up.
Imo that really shouldn't just be "social influencing," at that point it is just empathic manipulation.
Well, if the one attacking can see how beautiful the target is, it would make little difference. If the attacker couldn't percieve them it might become a problem.How would that passive Social Influencing work if the one attacking is 4 kilometers away?
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You've yet to prove how the mechanism is not the same.the mechanism is not
It's passive. Meaning, it is merely a byproduct of their existence. A natural aura of sorts that affects those who so much as look at them and immediately changes what those people think of them.
An empathic manipulation aura not only produces this same effect, but it is the same exact mechanism. It is a byproduct of their natural aura/presence/character that also immediately changes what people think of them.
The ability to influence feelings and emotions.
he's already above sora now as per latest match that happenedI know we have 10 Low 1-C's already but how do y'all think this guy measures up?
Possibly.woody woodpecker stomps garou in 5-A? he has passive plot hax
soo whens nasuverse gonna be dethroned from #1
Would this also extend to characters like Pneuma? Pneuma should be comparable to Alvis as a part of the Trinity ProcessorZ and Yang Qi has been deemed inconclusive as neither parties can affect one another. Thus they should be put at a shared spot in #2 Low 1-C as they both also stomped Sora. On another note, Z should be updated to "Characters from Xenoblade (Z, Alpha, Alvis, etc) as Z is not the top tier of his verse
You can remove him from H7C, he won't be it soon. Can go to L7C