azontr
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No? It wouldn't inherently. That's incredibly assumptive.
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation
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Takes more assumptions to say it's not just the sun lol. I'm taking it literally cause that's all I can take it as with a lack of context
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It's not the name. Straight up says in the description is the heat of the sun as an aura.
We don't make that assumption. We low ball to mean the surface unless we have reason to believe otherwise. And since the description doesn't elaborate, we don't have said reason.
azontr
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It inherently doesn't when Deceived provided a more solid argument then just "so sorry, yeaaaaah, nooooo"
Yamamoto has my support to take the spot.
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So you're ASSUMING it's the surface, then?
azontr
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Occam's razor. Deceived's argument is less assumptive so we use it in place of the argument with more assumptions.
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I know, I was speaking about an entirely separate argument that wasn't just "it's a nominal fallacy forehead".
I'm fine with assuming it's comparable in temperature with our own sun, at least just for this debate at hand.
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That's the minimum. And thus, is the end we would use on the wiki without further reasoning.
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Eh... Rimuru's Over Powered Demon Servant is now Base 5B and he will soon share same spot (4th) with his Lord or he will take the 5th spot.
(When I'm ready to argue for him.)
(When I'm ready to argue for him.)
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Makes sense then, though admittedly I do have some problems with the heat due to scans being used like This where 15 million degrees Celsius would've vaporized everything there especially the ground it touched, but on the other end I'm willing to suspend disbelief and leave it to others to argue lol
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Woody Woodpecker to replace one of these in 5-A.
Not about the number 6, but it resists Garou's passive radiation. Woody has the immortalities and regeneration to stay alive and has hax like madness manipulation, sealing and passive plot manipulation.
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Yeah I'm seeing MELTING, and he put his sword in the ground with no adverse effects for it, big nono for that level of heat where everything should look like it just dissappears, and that's from like 2 minutes of watching! What else would I find from watching the rest?
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The heat was also threatening to destroy the soul society and affected the whole planet. Even if it wasn't portrayed as impressive as it should be it doesn't matter as it'll still be 15 milion degrees celsius. It's not used metaphorically as it's said quite literally and corroborated by another character who has no reason to exaggerate.
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You can destroy a planet and only be like 5K degrees celsius, feats>statements at the end of the day
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You will find nothing, because it's explicitly stated the heat of Zanka no Tachi is 15 Million Degree C. Just because it didn't instantly vaporize the environment doesn't mean it doesn't have that level of heat. It's like how characters who move at the speed of light don't instantly destroy the surrounding area through pure movement alone, these types of situations are generally, inconsistently portrayed by the authors because of their lack of knowledge on these concepts, and how it would negatively affected the story's pace and location.
That doesn't disprove the actual statement.
That doesn't disprove the actual statement.
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I'm gonna be honest but this is an extremely ignorant way to put it. We don't discard black hole ratings because they aren't destroying the entire planet. Why can't the same apply to stuff like heat statements?
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Statements are equally important as feats
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Spoiler alert decieved, heat is fucky and there have been cases where shit like what i mentioned have disproved a stated level of heat, like I said, if someone else wants to go for it they can, I'm just pointing out flaws here.
Most of the time real black holes aren't on earth in fiction and when they are people tend to take issues with them for that exact reason lol
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In the case of contradicting feats and statements, the former is taken over the ladder, that's vs indexing 101
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I mean feel free to downgrade Yamamotos heat if it's that contradicted.
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None of which you have provided inherently disproves Zanka no Tachi's heat. It being inconsistently portrayed doesn't disprove the direct statement that Kubo explicitly made his character make, he wants his character to have that level of heat with his Bankai, he makes Yamamoto directly state in two of the main canonical mediums of the manga and anime that his Zanka no Tachi generates temperatures comparable with the core of the sun. We should assume his word, as the ******* author, holds more weight than what shows. Especially when it's nigh-impossible for anyone, regardless of medium, to consistently show how hot the core of the ******* sun is.
You can appeal to reality all you want, it doesn't disprove the statement.
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All of this is cope
Yama just stands there and one shots. We're not downgrading anything based on a complete AOE fallacy that is shown to be inaccurate when coupled with statements that Yama can vaporize things around him and vape the whole planet if he's not careful.
This whole AOE argument is not only fallacious, it ignores the context that Yamamoto isn't trying to unleash his full heat in fear of destroying the world.
Yama just stands there and one shots. We're not downgrading anything based on a complete AOE fallacy that is shown to be inaccurate when coupled with statements that Yama can vaporize things around him and vape the whole planet if he's not careful.
This whole AOE argument is not only fallacious, it ignores the context that Yamamoto isn't trying to unleash his full heat in fear of destroying the world.
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If my tolerance for bullshit was that high right now I'd go for it, but it ain't that big of a deal, and I'd probably get banned for being too much of Troll lol
Well the "******* author" needs to take a science class on heat and what it does to things, if you don't like it find a more consistent media, bullshit comes with the longer series
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5-B is about to go crazy
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Oh, so it's out of character for him to release his full heat? Ohohohohohohoho, buddy, pal, proof of him going over 5K celsius before Arthas sticks him with Frostmourne in the melee?
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This is so flagrantly stupid I shouldn't even need to explain this to you.
Yamamoto does not want to kill everyone he loves nor does he want to do destroy everything he loves. None of this applies to a random vs battle. Read Bleach.
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How does he know nobody and nothing he loves is on earth? How does he know he's even on earth? This is the kinda shit ya arrive at problems with, if in-character we've never seen this man actually throw widespread vaporizing heat in the millions of degrees just by existing, then you can't say he does that to start a fight with a rando.
Let's take Arthas for example, he doesn't really fight people he doesn't know or has not observed in this key, so we have to go for what he does!
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I don't believe this is a good faith argument.
And, none of this changes the fact your argument against the Yama statement is still fallacious and explained in universe. So instead of admitting you were wrong on that, you have just shifted to a new argument, so we'll just take your Concession on that.
You need to read Bleach. Yama is heavily emphasized to be avoiding destroying Soul Society when in his bankai, such a weakness wouldn't apply here because they are not in soul society and his allies aren't present, and as such, he wouldn't try to avoid destroying everything.
Earth exists within Bleach, Yama would know this isn't soul society.
And, none of this changes the fact your argument against the Yama statement is still fallacious and explained in universe. So instead of admitting you were wrong on that, you have just shifted to a new argument, so we'll just take your Concession on that.
This is genuinely one of the dumbest arguments I've ever read here, which is saying a decent bit.
You need to read Bleach. Yama is heavily emphasized to be avoiding destroying Soul Society when in his bankai, such a weakness wouldn't apply here because they are not in soul society and his allies aren't present, and as such, he wouldn't try to avoid destroying everything.
Earth exists within Bleach, Yama would know this isn't soul society.
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We always have taken the lower ends if no good backing for statements exists...that's what we use for powers and calculations. Yamamoto's Bankai was stated multiple times what kind of heat degree it has...even going as far as saying that everything touched by it will be erased from existence....said to destroy the whole Soul Society which is not a normal world like the human one but all made of spirit particles.
If X says he's resistant to ice, we only go as far it has shown or stated, we don't take assumptions based on staff that is not said or go for the highest end if nothing backs it up (like say near absolute zero or absolute zero).
If you have a problem with the low ends then make a Wide-wiki CRT to change it. We always try to get as accurate as we can going by the presented explanation from the verse.
If X says he's resistant to ice, we only go as far it has shown or stated, we don't take assumptions based on staff that is not said or go for the highest end if nothing backs it up (like say near absolute zero or absolute zero).
If you have a problem with the low ends then make a Wide-wiki CRT to change it. We always try to get as accurate as we can going by the presented explanation from the verse.
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I shifted to another argument because that's both the answer to why what was happening the way it does was happening that way, but also Puts Arthas back on his feet in terms of an argument.
Arcker, I do not have to read your shitty manga that I already don't have a positive view on, just as how you don't need to read all of Wrath of the Lich King, all of Warcraft 3, several spread out manga, multiple spread out quests, parts of SHADOWLANDS and an entire 300-page book to DARE to challenge me on Arthas. If you want me to read Bleach, let's get DMs on discord and you can read and watch Warcraft shit for the exact same amount of time as I read Bleach, deal?
Okay can you explain why Soul Society and Earth are so different? Does he have every location in Soul Society memorized or some shit? Explain.
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I have a couple recommendations for the list.
8-B - I nominate Dosu Kinuta for the open 10th placement. He has access to Sound Manipulation which can produce sounds loud enough to rupture people's eardrums, and cause the liquid present within them slosh around, messing up one's equilibrium. He can project this sound out as concussive attacks as well.
High 7-A - I nominate Five Kage Summit Arc Sasuke for the open 10th placement. He has access to Genjutsu which is thought-based Mind Manipulation and Illusion Creation that can cause people to see illusions of their own death, cause them to pass out etc. He has a couple layers with this. He has Amaterasu which allows him to produce black fires which can't be extinguished normally, and produce temperatures on the level to vaporize steel. He can also increase his AP and Durability with Chidori and Susano'o.
High 6-B - I nominate Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito Uchiha for the 7th open placement. He has access to TSO's which deconstruct objects on a more potent, molecular level as it's above Particle Style which deconstructs objects on a molecular level. TSO's can also erase objects from existence through interaction with them.
8-B - I nominate Dosu Kinuta for the open 10th placement. He has access to Sound Manipulation which can produce sounds loud enough to rupture people's eardrums, and cause the liquid present within them slosh around, messing up one's equilibrium. He can project this sound out as concussive attacks as well.
High 7-A - I nominate Five Kage Summit Arc Sasuke for the open 10th placement. He has access to Genjutsu which is thought-based Mind Manipulation and Illusion Creation that can cause people to see illusions of their own death, cause them to pass out etc. He has a couple layers with this. He has Amaterasu which allows him to produce black fires which can't be extinguished normally, and produce temperatures on the level to vaporize steel. He can also increase his AP and Durability with Chidori and Susano'o.
High 6-B - I nominate Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito Uchiha for the 7th open placement. He has access to TSO's which deconstruct objects on a more potent, molecular level as it's above Particle Style which deconstructs objects on a molecular level. TSO's can also erase objects from existence through interaction with them.
Arcker123
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The point is that you're weaseling. But since you said this:
I accept your concession on that topic.
The difference is I don't shoot my mouth off and ramble about a series I don't understand and completely misrepresent what's happening withing because I'm intellectually honest.
He has intimate knowledge of it due to his millennia of experience as head of it's military with it and knowing it's history acutely. The point is that his comrades are not there, and thus he won't hesitate to use Zanka no Tachi to it's full potential. There's also:
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Any chance I can get white mask Obito here?
Obito has :
- Passive spatial intangibility that negs pretty much any attack that tries to hit him unless they can reach separate time space dimensions
- BFR with these same dimensions, and since he can teleport with Kamui, it's very hard to dodge Obito getting in close for the Kamui suck
- Layered thought based genjutsu that he can use to mind control Jinchuriki, who should be immune to it, along with the normal sharingan layers
- He can use said mind hax to create illusions, mind control, sleep hax, and paralyze
- He has several High 6-C monsters with stupid aoe and Low Godly
- All the Rinnegan hax (Only reason he did not use it in canon was because he was fighting people who knew how to counter it)
- Izanagi to say "No" to anything, if need be
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Ahem "The point is I don't like how you moved to dealing with the explanation that was given to you instead of being an annoying as **** stonewall" is what I just heard. Seriously. I don't pride myself on stonewalling for no reason. I am not FirePheonixEarl. If I'm stonewalling completely, I believe said thing I'm stonewalling on to be the case.
Yes.
Then explain, and explain thoroughly, this isn't rocket science, if you don't want me to try and fill in the gaps, then fill in those gaps before I could even think about touching them. And now you have another thing to explain, how does Yamamoto sense these spirit particles, are they different in aura, is this a Bleach thing where Spirit particles are just built different in general, if you don't want me to ask questions, explain shit before I do.
If this is frustrating for you... well we aren't typing here to **** spiders, we're arguing about characters we like
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Sure.
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How many layers are the Sharingan shenanigans? And can they, like, affect minds that are part of the soul? Asking for the future, since I might make a placement once I finish a profile.
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Is there any chance that Woody Woodpecker will take one of those places?
He has immortalities and regeneration (in addition to resisting Garou's passive), in addition to other hax with the main one being the plot hax passive.
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