Tokyo Revengers verse upgrade

[ShadowSythez]

Sure then I can respect that for the Naoto one

Do the supporters have any debates for the other gun feats ? Did these characters fall under this:

1. Is the context a one-on-one configuration? |
2. Are there discernible elements that bestow disadvantages upon a singular party? |
3. Do these inherent disadvantages markedly and substantially influence the resultant outcome? |
4. In the hypothetical scenario of eliminating these specific circumstances, would the resultant outcome exhibit disparity? |

 

[Dalesean027]

The goons were after Takemichi and Senju got shot trying to protect him. She didn't get outsped by the gun at all.

My brother in christ had draken not came and had takemichi not known that was going to happen like originally, they would've been in the same position about 2~3m away from the shooter and mind you now we're talking about South and Senju one of your supposed hypersonic characters and she for sure would have no reason to die here if she were in fact even supersonic let alone Hypersonic

 

[GoldenBooster445]

My brother in christ had draken not came and had takemichi not known that was going to happen like originally, they would've been in the same position about 2~3m away from the shooter and mind you now we're talking about South one of your supposed hypersonic characters and she for sure would have no reason to die here if she were in fact even supersonic let alone Hypersonic

I agree w/ u on this.
See at some point when we're going to buff up literally any charater to supersonic+ to hypersonic, there's going to be the problem of Senju, who's up there capable of trading blows with South who downscales from Mikey and has been blitzed by Senju before.
So no matter what character, Senju would be scaled to supersonic+ or hyper, then it would be utterly nonsensical for her not to avoid a 450 m/s bullet coming towards her and Takemichi, which would vbe the anti-feat that debunks this ivory tower tinfoil hat claim.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Where in the world did I said South can react to Mikey's kick? I just said their AS is similar and Senju can react to this AS

If their attack speed is genuinely the same, then Mikey would be as hurt as South, but that doesn't happen.

 

[CorbinMLG]

Here itnis is the ole suicide excuse for a character exuding hope and working to restore a better toman who wants his friend to live, man I'm sure if he were a bullet timer he'd not have to sit there and could just move out of the way without having to sit there and accept death

You can't really dodge a bullet if the gun is right next to your head while being restricted like that. Even if he dodged once, he wouldn't be able to do anything else.

 

[Dalesean027]

You can't really dodge a bullet if the gun is right next to your head while being restricted like that. Even if he dodged once, he wouldn't be able to do anything else.

He can percieve the barrel chambering and act before it even fires tbh so nah this is bs and still senju gets negged by a 450m/s bullet from 3m away lol

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

And by the way, that Senju is amped, the Senju at Draken's feat is in her base mode, and she isn't pitrayed to be that high

 

[Dalesean027]

And by the way, that Senju is amped, the Senju at Draken's feat is in her base mode, and she isn't pitrayed to be that high

Doesn't matter tbh even if she was supersonic she need only move herself and takemichi 25-50cm each to be out of the way while the bullet has to travel 3m

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

If their attack speed is genuinely the same, then Mikey would be as hurt as South, but that doesn't happen.

What does this suggest?

Common sense, it's that attack speed vary, there is nothing in the series that potrays other kick being faster than the one delivered to Taiju.

And Mikey WASN'T using his signature kick here

 

[Dinozxd]

My brother in christ had draken not came and had takemichi not known that was going to happen like originally, they would've been in the same position about 2~3m away from the shooter and mind you now we're talking about South one of your supposed hypersonic characters and she for sure would have no reason to die here if she were in fact even supersonic let alone Hypersonic

I agree w/ u on this.
See at some point when we're going to buff up literally any charater to supersonic+ to hypersonic, there's going to be the problem of Senju, who's up there capable of trading blows with South who downscales from Mikey and has been blitzed by Senju before.
So no matter what character, Senju would be scaled to supersonic+ or hyper, then it would be utterly nonsensical for her not to avoid a 450 m/s bullet coming towards her and Takemichi, which would vbe the anti-feat that debunks this ivory tower tinfoil hat claim.

Are you guys serious? Takemichi literally jumps in front of Senju so she doesn't sacrifice herself and holds her down when Draken comes and saves them.

Also to correct your scaling chain, Senju before revealing her true potential is not comparable to DI Mikey or South.

 

[Dalesean027]

Are you guys serious? Takemichi literally jumps in front of Senju so she doesn't sacrifice herself and holds her down when Draken comes and saves them.

Also to correct your scaling chain, Senju before revealing her true potential is not comparable to DI Mikey or South.

That's literally only AFTER he knows, he doesn't originally know this would happen so she'd just get shot from that range, you're blatantly ignoring context and it does matter if she's not always hypersonic because she'd scale to supersonic+ normally by your own logic so she'd still be able to evade

 

[CorbinMLG]

He can percieve the barrel chambering and act before it even fires tbh so nah this is bs

And then do what? He can't escape or anything.

still the gap in speed isn't massive, that's what I mean, South isn't exponentially faster than him and Kakucho isn't exponentially faster than South, more less the speed is around the same level

Tenjiku Kakucho can blitz Angry who can blitz Mucho who can easily beat Inui who can put up a fight against Wakasa who can blitz Base South. Yes the gap is massive.

I seriously start to think that in your mind calc>narrative

It's so blatant Plot-Induced Stupidity. If she ran up to Takemichi and pulled him out of the way then Draken would have survived, completely changing the story.

 

[Dinozxd]

That's literally only AFTER he knows, he doesn't originally know this would happen so she'd just get shot from that range, you're blatantly ignoring context and it does matter if she's not always hypersonic because she'd scale to supersonic+ normally by your own logic so she'd still be able to evade

bro.

The same thing literally happens in Takemichi's vision but Senju actually manages to save Takemichi but gets shot too kinda like the moment when Izana saves Kakucho.

 

[CorbinMLG]

she'd scale to supersonic+ normally

This version of Senju doesn't actually scale anywhere speed wise.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Also, the thing you guys miss.

The series implies that Mikey on his DI has a tendency to boost/reveal more of his speed as shown when he was against Takemichi, his kicks starts to get faster once Takemichi was able to dodge his kicks.
And it is heavily implied that the AS was boosted in the fight against South since the speed gap between South and Mikey is tremendous since South didn't deal as much as damage to Mikey in the end.

If we were to go by what you guys said, then since randoms can somehow perceive some of Mikey's attacks in chapter 262, will it mean that those randoms will be able to perceive the kick to Taiju?


Like I said, speed varies.

 

[Zefra3011]

Tenjiku Kakucho can blitz Angry who can blitz Mucho who can easily beat Inui who can put up a fight against Wakasa who can blitz Base South. Yes the gap is massive.

Angry never blitzed Mucho, the context just suggests he outskilled him, Wakasa didn't blitz South in any way, they were 2v1 South and still South could land hits, there is no way in a 2v1 you get hit when you can blitz you opponent

It's so blatant Plot-Induced Stupidity. If she ran up to Takemichi and pulled him out of the way then Draken would have survived, completely changing the story.

If the author has in his mind "my characters can no diff bullets" situations where they die from bullets wouldn't exist in first place

Also, the thing you guys miss.

The series implies that Mikey on his DI has a tendency to boost/reveal more of his speed as shown when he was against Takemichi, his kicks starts to get faster once Takemichi was able to dodge his kicks.
And it is heavily implied that the AS was boosted in the fight against South since the speed gap between South and Mikey is tremendous since South didn't deal as much as damage to Mikey in the end.

If we were to go by what you guys said, then since randoms can somehow perceive some of Mikey's attacks in chapter 262, will it mean that those randoms will be able to perceive the kick to Taiju?


Like I said, speed varies.

They never perceive his attacks, they just see him moving from a part to another, if they can perceive his attack than we have to remove my supersonic calc since it works because people can't react to his attacks.
Also I don't see any reason why Mikey had a slower speed against DI South when he was going for a kill in a blood lusted state when he could KO him with one hit, the speed is the same, we literally have a time skip and we don't see the fight for all we know Mikey could have dodge something, South maybe didn't even damaged him with some attacks we literally can only assume what happened there, but we have a clear scan when both attacks land at the same time implying they are relative, yeah speed varies, for sure it doesn't drop from super+ to subsonic especially when Mikey is at his peak...

 

[Dalesean027]

This version of Senju doesn't actually scale anywhere speed wise.

That's a dann lie she has a rep and status that should at least be at >Chifuyu scaling wise

 

[CorbinMLG]

Angry never blitzed Mucho

Mucho tried to use a judo throw on Angry and the next thing he knew was that Angry already countered him and kicked him.

Wakasa didn't blitz South in any way

South couldn't evade or do anything about Wakasa's kicks. It was a 2v1 yes, but their strategy was to attack individually.

If the author has in his mind "my characters can no diff bullets" situations where they die from bullets wouldn't exist in first place

Except if the character does it to sacrifice themselves.

 

[CorbinMLG]

That's a dann lie she has a rep and status that should at least be at >Chifuyu scaling wise

So Shion should be stronger than Chifuyu as well? That's not how it works.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Mikey could have dodge something,

That entirely destroys the point of South being relative to Mikey AS wise, because we'd have Mikey's reaction speed at sub+ or something. So he won't be able to dodge south's Hypersonic attack.

So yeah.

 

[Dalesean027]

So Shion should be stronger than Chifuyu as well? That's not how it works.

She's damn well not a tier below the guy and she's still >>> takemichi who yall previously had at Supersonic so don't sit here and bs me, even if she was Supersonic the bullets need to move 2 to 3m while her and takemichi need only move a total of .25m to .5m total each so totally either .5m or 1m to be out of range for the bullets which still need to travel an entire 1-2m to reach them.

So realistically he wouldn't need saving and herself being >>>takemichi wouldn't neednit either and could move them both

Takemichi Hanagaki

Takemichi Hanagaki, nicknamed Takemitchy by Mikey, is the protagonist of Tokyo Revengers. He is a young man who can travel back in time: a Time Leaper. In order to save his girlfriend Hinata Tachibana and, over time everyone he comes to care about, he decides to become a top member of the Tokyo...

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[CorbinMLG]

She's damn well not a tier below the guy and she's still >>> takemichi who yall previously had at Supersonic so don't sit here and bs me, even if she was Supersonic the bullets need to move 2 to 3m while her and takemichi need only move a total of .25m to .5m total each totally either .5m or 1m to be out of range for the bullets which still need to travel an entire 1-2m to reach them

Takemichi isn't Supersonic.

 

[Deagonx]

This thread has exploded with comments in the last hour. What is the current staff tally?

 

[Dalesean027]

So here's what we have, mind you dtaff votes matter the most but you're still welcome to give votes but I'd recommend severly pinging more staff as you actually need to to even get this accepted at all

Option 3: nothing changes and the feat is ruled an outlier
Agreed: @Zefra3011 @Serlock_Holmes @Dalesean027 @Therefir @ImmortalDread @Syncornize @DarkDragonMedeus @Migue79

 

[Deagonx]

Okay. Is this thread primarily regarding the acceptance of a calc?

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Okay. Is this thread primarily regarding the acceptance of a calc?

We are still debating about other thing

 

[Dinozxd]

So Shion should be stronger than Chifuyu as well? That's not how it works.

I actually agree with Dalesean here. Senju at her Base beat like 100 guys in the final battle and there is no way a low-mid tier beats that much guys by theirself. She probably scales to Draken in speed cuz the narrative made her look like she is at least comparable to Base South.

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay. Is this thread primarily regarding the acceptance of a calc?

Yup its been deemed as an outlier and inside the blog @Migue79, @DMUA and @Agnaa have rejected it as of now

 

[Deagonx]

@MorrisHatesYou Can you be more descriptive?

 

[CorbinMLG]

None of the staff has said anything since most of the arguments have been posted.

 

[Dalesean027]

I actually agree with Dalesean here. Senju at her Base beat like 100 guys in the final battle and there is no way a low-mid tier beats that much guys by theirself. She probably scales to Draken in speed cuz the narrative made her look like she is at least comparable to Base South.

Thank you like this is crazy, Senju is at the very minimum a mid tier normally same as like Chifuyu who would be supersonic+ via this calc yet they both technically died being shot from ranges they can react at

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

@MorrisHatesYou Can you be more descriptive?

So other user here try to scale other characters to Mikey attack speed (even though there's a tremendous difference)

I'll have to clear that up first since Arnold thread won't be filled with useless arguments

 

[CorbinMLG]

I actually agree with Dalesean here. Senju at her Base beat like 100 guys in the final battle and there is no way a low-mid tier beats that much guys by theirself. She probably scales to Draken in speed cuz the narrative made her look like she is at least comparable to Base South.

Senju wasn't in her "base form". Senju was passively holding back until the South fight because of Takeomi.

 

[Dalesean027]

None of the staff has said anything since most of the arguments have been posted.

So the last 2 pages don't exist?

 

[CorbinMLG]

So the last 2 pages don't exist?

I wasn't counting you.

 

[Deagonx]

Okay, this appears to have been rejected by the calc group members that have participated, and this is dragging out unsustainably. I will close this for now.

My advice to the supporters of this verse: Less is more. The last comment on page 2 was 2 hours ago. This sort of circular bickering is not going to ever get a thread passed.