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Ooooook i see what you mean now. His punch itself wasn't that fast. That reminds me of my old comment when I first joined about punches that look like they create sonic booms from angry kawata and draken did.
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Tokyo Revengers Discussion Thread!
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Fikriskps
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Okey wait
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Shouldnt mid-end(supersonic) works? considering that he can fully beat someone who intercepted a bullet, his punch should be above that bullet speed
Fikriskps
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I don't really think that would work, perhaps that called headcanon because no Proof that terano Punch Could be fast than bullet speed
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The impact happens after the sonic boom. It looks like their punches break the sound barrier then hit their target hence why it is surrounding their arm rather than the target. If you watch the draken fight in anime at .25 speed you can see the sonic boom, i dont think impact the hit caused that because they have sfx and "pow!" for the impact rather than a sonic boom
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Angry Kawata
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changed Smiley from Wall level. Any other changes?
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wouldnt be headcanon since there is evidences, A intercepted B while C outspeed A, by this we can know that C > B. even if this was headcanon, the speed i used for mid-end was baseline supersonic, which is lower than the bullet speed by some degree
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the way you stated Terano's punch is wrong if his punch will be as fast as a Bullet because he can Blitz draken.
Projectile Dodge:
Terrano is given at least Supersonic because he is generally stronger than drakens. It's not that Terano's punch will be as fast as a bullet
Well you don't bring why is Terano punch fast as bullet
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Fikriskps
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And also If you use Supersonic Baseline. It also counts as a headcanon in the context of if his punches will be as fast as supersonic via blitz other characters
Because in general terano punch doesn't go as fast as Supersonic (not fallacies) it looks like it only goes 110centimeter
Because in general terano punch doesn't go as fast as Supersonic (not fallacies) it looks like it only goes 110centimeter
Middlesbrough_
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If you give that calculation to CGM for evaluation I feel they will give the same reason as @Fikriskps do
DenLitz
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Won't beat around the bush, Draken doesn't even have Supersonic speed, he'll just be Subsonic, that's the best and most consistent level.
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Strength cant be used to scale speed though? He can punch and overwhelmed draken who can move fast enough to block bullet, that shouldnt make him any slower than the bullet. even if without the calculation, Wakasa dodging an "atleast Supersonic" guy should make him atleast supersonic too, it wouldnt make any sense if a subsonic character easily dodged a supersonic hit from a point blank.
what does this even mean
i see, i guess i just wait for it to be evaluated first
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He Is meaning that Terano Punch Isnt Traveling Fast As Supersonic
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i don't really know about Draken supersonic calculation, but if he is subsonic and not supersonic, i guess the low-end can be used
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why wouldnt it be
Middlesbrough_
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Proof it first if its traveling that fast
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Draken intercepted a bullet, Terano beat him up easily with speed
Now If Draken really supersonic and thats not outlier(im not really sure), then surely Terano needs to move faster than the same bullet that get intercepted by Draken to hit him
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The feat on raken's calculations it is not even shown from which point the Draken started the movement, how far the distance between the projectile and the Draken was before the shooter was finally hit by Draken and made his position not like before, then whether the shooter really started shooting before the Draken was in front of him or not.
So there are so many possibilities for this feat, plus the methods for finding the total distance traveled by both Draken and Projectile are all based on assumption, which make the credibility of the calculation very low.
What kind of low-end do you mean here?
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Baseline Subsonic (34.3 m/s)
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But the panels show the gun being shot first and Draken never was acknowledged by anyone being there. Unless you're trying to say the shooter aimed and shot at a target he never aimed for? The shooter shoots at Takemichi, then Draken appears and slaps the gun away after taking said bullets to the chest. The scale says he estimated Draken being the closest distane possible being 1M or 3 feet away and it came up to supersonic+. Any distance farther is hypersonic. That should be an "at least supersonic+" feat just based off the order the events taken place. Not sure where subsonic came from.
But the assumption is still based off projectile dodging and its valid due to the 3 shots being fired first based on the panel order. Unless you can prove Draken was already in the vicinity standing in front of Takemichi , which he wasn't because Senju would have seen him, until after he got shot and slapped the gun away. By vswiki rules thats still projectile dodging. He used the closest possible distance.
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DenLitz
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Of course it can be because of Draken's Subsonic speed, If Draken is already in front of the shooter because of Subsonic speed, then Projectile Dodging cannot be used as before.
A shooter who can be called an ordinary person who doesn't have Subsonic reactions, naturally can't react with Draken's Subsonic moves.
And again, it's down to us that we can only assume whether Draken really wasn't in front of them before the projectile was fired, especially before Draken's speed rating was Subsonic and shooters like that didn't even have the feat of Subsonic reaction.
Subsonic to Supersonic+ all of a sudden are you sure it won't be Outlier? once the feat takes place the Draken instantly dies and not a single character will scale as it should.
South? South had On Par with Draken before this feat happened, if we claim this Draken feat is Supersonic+, then it will only be Draken's last attempt/not in actual combat, because Draken never showed his Supersonic+ feat in direct combat.
So nothing to scale here.
Draken's previous speed rating was Subsonic, and it's an Up-Scale result from Ogree Blue, because Draken is basically No. 2 Touman.
In projectile dodging page :
"The character is clearly and explicitly shown to move after the attack/projectile is in motion, depicting quite clearly that the character is reacting to the attack/projectile itself and not its source."
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Forgot to put this in the thread i had this made for a few days along with the Angry Kawata profile. Needs to be reviewed by Mods
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That still isn't consistent with what happened. Takemichi would have seen Draken running since he already has subsonic reactions and was looking back at the shooter if he was approaching. Senju came from the direction of the restaurant which shows Draken could have only came from the left side because the panels show the other buildings blocking any other direction. Takemichi would have seen him. Once the gun is fired Takemichi then looks away AFTER shots fire to brace for impact then we see Draken slap the gun away after taking the 3 shots. He didnt appear from behind neither because it wouldnt make sense for him to bypass 4 people with Takemichi never seeing him run. He only looks away after the gun is fired
Takemichi has subsonic reactions and should have called out to him to stay back since his face was looking in the only direction Draken could have appeared. Takemichi can react to people even faster than Draken. Like Kakcuh
Draken landed multiple hits on South. South also landed multiple hits on Dark Impulse Mikey who was supersonic+ 2 years before the fight started. South should be upscaled to comparable to Mikey. Only the upper tiers of TR have hit South, not even Kakucho has hit him.
Again lol, the panels show that Draken appears after the gun is shot to intercept the 3 projectiles, then in a seperate panel (mid right)
He's punches the shooter knocking him out gun out of his hand AFTER he already intercepted the bullets he aimed for. Senju should also upscale higher than Takemichi and should have noticed him by that point as well since she's sitting up looking at Draken.
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Kakucho isn't faster than Draken..
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even if he isn't the rest of my post is valid. Takemichi would have seen him coming since that was the only direction Draken could have came from
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Yeah I know I just wanted to point it out.
DenLitz
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I agree with the point where the Draken might move once the projectile start moving. But I still don't completely agree with Supersonic+ Draken's calculations, I'll explain my reasons.
In Draken's calculations, all distance components come from mere assumptions, the distance from Projectiles & Draken = 0.4 meters also has no clear basis. I'd say it's still countable rather than assuming it doesn't know where the numbers are coming from/unfounded assumptions. That's the problem, the assumption is useful if that's the way there is no other way to calculate it, but for projectile properties and Draken not, I'm sure it can still be calculated.
That's the crux of the problem now, why don't I like the calculation that describes the results of Supersonic+, only with all the assumptions, even though one of the distances should still be calculated.
I don't mind calculating it if y'all need it, because I already have enough experience & contribution to some calculations in Tokyo Revengers.
New Calculation for Mikey :
Mikey made a dented car front
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Please add the link to the Tokyo Revengers profile.
I suggest deleting my Baji calculation in the Tokyo Revengers profile, this is:
Calculation Baji destroy the wall
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The reason is because we have similar calculation from the Manga, where the Manga itself should be more canon and usable than the Anime.
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I made some small changes and added your calculation and removed the anime version of the Baji calculation.New Calculation for Mikey :
Mikey made a dented car front
Please add the link to the Tokyo Revengers profile.
I suggest deleting my Baji calculation in the Tokyo Revengers profile, this is:
Calculation Baji destroy the wall
The reason is because we have similar calculation from the Manga, where the Manga itself should be more canon and usable than the Anime.
Fikriskps
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Lol bro just Coming from no where Then Died Like so FastBro Taiju Is Dying
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You can't know if he died though.
Fikriskps
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Megaraptor149
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Next chifuyu
Fikriskps
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Nooooooooooo
Megaraptor149
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Dead flag is already visible
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Taiju survived confirmed, Mikey's dark impulse mode is also back
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