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"Time, huh?" | Green Lantern vs Ben 10 | 11-12-0

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Ben_10_Stick_Nodes said:
Dawg tf, he knows Batman is a regular human so held back, He hold backs if he knows the oppent wouldn't stand a chance against him but in this he has no knowledge about anything he probably would think the alien against him could hurt him so bad he would use his regular attacks against monsters from his
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bro wtf
Hal had no knowledge on his opponents multiple times and still refrained from killing

'he probably would think the alien against him could hurt him so bad he would use his regular attack"
Hal wouldn't have this type of mindset against a 15 yr old Ben
 
What?

Why in the bloody **** would Hal kill, he's like, not even really allowed to kill, the Ring has built in stuff to prevent the host from murder or killing (Which like, should be obvious he can control it with high precision regardless, he doesn't kill random crooks does he now?).

For a GL to kill, they need to will it and not just will it, they need to literally overcome the Ring's safety protocols. Green Lanterns basically cops, they're not supposed to kill, there's rules in place, and they basically have safety fire on, except that safety isn't even supposed to be able to be broken. Hal could overcome it if he REALLY wanted, but like, idk why he'd want to straight up kill a random foe.

Not even a GL goon, just know this from reading Batman stuff.
 
i still think Ben would transform into Feedback for first move, he can absorb his life energy from long distance, also it's not like Hal can knock him with blitzing since speed is equalized ben can dodge his attacks
 
Incon is when votes hit 7 or above, but with a lead less than 3, so yes.
speed equal
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Chariot190 said:
Please explain how Hal consistently and constantly merely ko's dudes as low as 5-B, 6-B, 7-A, 8-A, 8-C, 9-A, 9-B, and even 10-B.
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Yes, exactly.

How'd Hal know how much amount of energy is required to KO Ben? If he sees him as a human, he'll use energy that Batman could tank, something that, assuming Ben stays just stood there (like, something everyone is a defender of), wouldn't even make him flinch at all

If he goes alien, he'd use a "normal" amount of energy when fighting a normal villain with superpowers, 3-C at least, which would kill all of Ben's options except the Hax ones.

In any scenary, Hal can't know the amount of energy required to KO Ben.

In Ben's favor, he just needs to turn into Feedback and suck Hal dry, something that will happen faster than Jordan figuring out how much energy he needs to KO this opponent, and that assuming Ben doesn't move at all.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
How'd Hal know how much amount of energy is required to KO Ben?
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The ring can scan bioforms?
Edit: Like, the safety net is automated, Hal doesn't actually have to do anything himself here, he'd have to willingly, through sheer superhuman will, force the ring to kill.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Not only scanning biology is not the same as knowing the stats, but also is an ability that Hal doesn't use frequently enoumh to say "Yes, he does that", much less as a first move to know right oot of nothing.
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I'm not humoring this.
The ring scans bioforms, it does this constantly even, the ring has a safety net that automatically prevents lethal force relative to a target, which is why he can hit supes with a planet busting attack, but the ring won't do anything past 9-C, maybe B, for a normal human.

Hal would need to deliberatly, through inhuman will, overcome the safety protocol, as this is all automated and a built-in feature to every GL Ring.

I don't care about the match, but be real dude.
 
Chariot190 said:
Like, the safety net is automated, Hal doesn't actually have to do anything himself here, he'd have to willingly, through sheer superhuman will, force the ring to kill.
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The ring wouldn't have problems with that. We've seen Hal doing fatal attacks in beings that can't tank it, but their physiology allowed them to survive.

Same goes here, but even then, all of this is assuming Ben wouldn't react to a glowing green flag, a energy blast, or whatever Hal trows at him.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
The ring wouldn't have problems with that. We've seen Hal doing fatal attacks in beings that can't tank it, but their physiology allowed them to survive.

Same goes here, but even then, all of this is assuming Ben wouldn't react to a glowing green flag, a energy blast, or whatever Hal trows at him.
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Feedback has a big adventage here, if he absorbs energy from Hal he gets it with AMPS
 
DC has like 3-C humans, and 6-B humans, 6-C humans, 7-A humans, literally a human for every tier.
Ben could be 5-A, 5-B, 10-C, or anything of the sort.
GeneralSol16 said:
The ring wouldn't have problems with that. We've seen Hal doing fatal attacks in beings that can't tank it, but their physiology allowed them to survive.
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You literally just explained why they weren't lethal attacks, their physiology let them survive.

the ring isn't gonna stop Hal from skewering Clayface, because it isn't lethal, it would stop him from obliterating him at a quantum level though with a star busting attack tho.
GeneralSol16 said:
Same goes here, but even then, all of this is assuming Ben wouldn't react to a glowing green flag, a energy blast, or whatever Hal trows at him.
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I really don't give a shit dude, I'm not here to argue who wins, but I am going to tell you drop the cope with the "hal cant ko ben, he's to strong!" shit, you're wrong, not up for debate, let's not pretend the dude with omega precision with a magic ring that literally prevents and limits energy to non-lethl forces relative to the target in question automatically, won't do so here.
 
Ben wincons / advantages:
  • More in-character versatility.
  • Nullifies any effect (hax or physical) on him by just changing form.
  • Abilities and immunities of all his aliens.


Feedback:
  • Energy absorption, including life force.
  • Statics amplification that puts him above the opponent.
  • Can absorb energy without the need of physical contact.
Clockwork
  • Time Stop / Slow / Rewind.
  • Age manipulation.
  • BFR (temporal, dimensional)
  • Time Travel.
  • Mind - temporal BFR.
Big Chill:
  • Absolute Zero.
  • Intangibility.
Ghostfreak:
  • Durability negation.
  • Intangibility (×2).


Hal wincons / advantages:
  • Way superior AP (K O)
  • Way superior Lifting Strength. (Restraining)
  • Paralysis inducement.
  • Sealing.
  • Sleep manip.
  • Antimatter manipulation.
  • Power Null.

Hal can KO Ben, but Ben can literally just dodge, transform or whatever. And Hal wincons are too OOC to be relevant tbh.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Ben wincons / advantages:
  • More in-character versatility.
  • Nullifies any effect (hax or physical) on him by just changing form.
  • Abilities and immunities of all his aliens.


Feedback:
  • Energy absorption, including life force.
  • Statics amplification that puts him above the opponent.
  • Can absorb energy without the need of physical contact.
Clockwork
  • Time Stop / Slow / Rewind.
  • Age manipulation.
  • BFR (temporal, dimensional)
  • Time Travel.
  • Mind - temporal BFR.
Big Chill:
  • Absolute Zero.
  • Intangibility.
Ghostfreak:
  • Durability negation.
  • Intangibility (×2).


Hal wincons / advantages:
  • Way superior AP (K O)
  • Way superior Lifting Strength. (Restraining)
  • Paralysis inducement.
  • Sealing.
  • Sleep manip.
  • Antimatter manipulation.
  • Power Null.

Hal can KO Ben, but Ben can literally just dodge, transform or whatever. And Hal wincons are too OOC to be relevant tbh.
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Ben also has some of Hal’s hax. Notably Pesky Dust can put him to sleep and control his dreams and Feedback is basically power null since he just sucks up whatever Hal makes.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
but Ben can literally just dodge
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Bro literally has like, trillion km aoe tho what.

As an aside, listing off a billion wincons for Ben, isn't a good thing, it makes figuring out what he would actually do harder especially because a few of those wouldnt actually work. The more options one dude has, the harder it is to actually gauge what he'd do if he doesn't have a set lead.
Even worse is, for every wincondition Ben might have, he has like 10 that would just get himself a hard loss. Singling out what would work, and ignoring he has just as many things that wouldn't work, doesn't tell us "oh ben just does whatever and wins", it tells us that his winconditions, might not even happen when he's up against a dude who can, apparently, just tap him once and win given Ben's wide utility isn't inherently an advantage if he's in a situation where even the slightest hesitation or wrong move is instant loss.

Like can you say 100% what Ben would lead with against a green floating man? You listed multiple, the fact multiple were listed makes me think it isn't actually set in stone.
 
Ben_10_Stick_Nodes said:
Also what if Ben turns into smth yellow like Shockquatch? his powers doesn't work on yellow things according to his profile
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See this is what I mean "what if ben does [thing]", what is Ben actually gonna do as a lead? Is he gonna start off with one of the few options that'd give him leeway and a chance for victory?
He's only gonna get one chance before Hal just taps him once, if he opens with the wrong thing, dude is cooked.
 
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