Space battle | Gwen Anodite vs Saitama [10-6-0] (GRACE ENDED)

[Catbowtie]

That doesn't mean Saitama is Blood-lusted/Serious.

 

[REX9097]

That doesn't mean Saitama is Blood-lusted/Serious.

So? It's literally in the Final key (the strongest key)

 

[Catbowtie]

So? It's literally in the Final key (the strongest key)

So it means that he wouldn't use all of the abilities in his final key. I'm telling you to make Saitama Serious/Blood-lusted because In-Character/non-serious Saitama wouldn't use those abilities. Also Final Key =/= Strongest Key.

 

[REX9097]

So it means that he wouldn't use all of the abilities in his final key.

All previous abilities, Time Travel, Body Control, Matter Manipulation (Macro-Quantum), and Antimatter Manipulation (Travelled back in time by manipulating his own sub-atomic particles and anti-particles,[Note 1] reversing causality and ending his fight with Garou before it even began[1]), Attack Reflection, Air Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and likely more (Should possess all the abilities of Garou's Perfected Martial Art[3][4] after copying it[1])

"All previous abilities"

I'm telling you to make Saitama Serious/Blood-lusted because In-Character/non-serious Saitama wouldn't use those abilities.

There is literally no key to Serious/Blood or special abilities put into Power and Abilities for Serious/Blood. Saitama uses Time Travel so he is in Serious/Blood form.

• When making a match with Saitama, please note whether or not you are using his current or parallel timeline self, as this will decide whether or not he has access to his Time Traveling capabilities.
• It is unlikely for Saitama to use Time Travel unless he is bloodlusted.

Also Final Key =/= Strongest Key.

At least Multi-Solar System level, possibly Galaxy level, likely higher (Has become many times stronger than before after growing exponentially in power while fighting with Awakened Garou. Continued to grow even stronger, to the point that even his sneeze carried enough force behind to blow away Jupiter's surface down to its rocky core. Surpassed Garou and then defeated him, vastly outpacing Garou's own exponential growth and power mimicry in the process[Note 2][1])

The Final Key is Parallel Timeline, which is currently the strongest key

 

[Catbowtie]

There is literally no key to Serious/Blood or special abilities put into Power and Abilities for Serious/Blood. Saitama uses Time Travel so he is in Serious/Blood form.

• It is unlikely for Saitama to use Time Travel unless he is bloodlusted.

Bloodlust refers to a state where a character is fighting without any inhibitions, and cares about nothing other than defeating the enemy.

Bloodlusted characters fear nothing, and won't hesitate taking injures if it leads to a higher probability of winning a battle.

A bloodlusted character will not be victim to Character-Induced Stupidity, and will be much more likely to speed blitz opponents (if doing so is within their powerset).

The Final Key is Parallel Timeline, which is currently the strongest key

In this case, yes, but not in all cases.

Regardless, I don't want to really go into circles about state of mind because time is waning and I want to be on the same page as you. Are you saying that Saitama is already Serious/Blood-lusted?

 

[REX9097]

Regardless, I don't want to really go into circles about state of mind because time is waning and I want to be on the same page as you. Are you saying that Saitama is already Serious/Blood-lusted?

Yes

 

[Catbowtie]

Going to assume that you meant "Blood-lusted" since when I put slash, I meant "or" instead of "and." You mentioned Saitama being Blood-lusted since he used Time Travel too.


First problem I have with this Match-up is Saitama literally cannot move to actually fight Gwen while Gwen can.

• Fight takes place a space

(Gwen)

• True Flight

(Satama)

Pseudo-Flight (Could move and change his momentum and keep afloat in the air. Can propel himself in space by farting[1])

Saitama starts the battle with zero momentum, and, well, I don't think Saitama has a gassy enough stomach to continually keep farting to move. If the location of the battle isn't changed then this match-up is a Stomp because Saitama cannot fight.

 

[REX9097]

Saitama starts the battle with zero momentum, and, well, I don't think Saitama has a gassy enough stomach to continually keep farting to move. If the location of the battle isn't changed then this match-up is a Stomp because Saitama cannot fight.

• Both are 4-A
• Speed was equalized
• SBA for the rest
• Gwen learned its full potential.
• (Parallel Timeline) Saitama is for used
• Fight takes place a space in Jupiter

 

[Catbowtie]

That's better, thanks. I'll go ahead and respond to arguments for Gwen before going on to my own reasons why I think Saitama would win (It'll be useless since Saitama already got FRA trained, but I'll do it because I think this is fun)

She can reduce his power to prevent him from strengthening himself. She can nullify and reverse his shockwaves. Has Probability Manipulation to increased her probability to win.

Saitama's Accelerated Development should be able to handle this. How is Gwen reducing Saitama's power? Saitama's shockwaves are a by-product of his strength. It's related to his AP. How is Gwen nullifying and reversing Shockwaves?

• Charm of Luck and Probability: One of the six Charms of Bezel. It gives the user supernatural luck, literally causing anything and everything to go their way, but only if there was a possibility for this to happen in the first place. It makes all of the possessor's endeavors succeed in a good way, and any person that may happen to be nearby suffer from misfortune.

Can I see what this looks like in action?

Though nothing is stopping her from time stopping him. That's and ability he used once she simply got curious about somebody's face.

Sure. How likely is it that Gwen will use time stop?

Blood-lusted Saitama is a better version of Parallel Timeline Garou​

This is because Saitama supposedly has Garou's Perfected Martial Arts after copying it from him and can simultaneously surpass Garou himself.

Attack Reflection, Air Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and likely more (Should possess all the abilities of Garou's Perfected Martial Art[3][4] after copying it[1])

Martial Arts and Power Mimicry (Copied multiple of Garou's martial arts. Garou stated that Saitama is capable of copying and surpassing all of his techniques provided he takes it seriously)

Assuming that the Thread Starter permits usage of Garou's Perfected Martial Arts, this makes it easier for Saitama to beat Gwen to death. Literally anything Garou does with his Martial Arts, Saitama does it but better. Saitama's Accelerated Development would continually make the AP gap into an AP chasm and increase his speed. Saitama was going blow-for-blow with Garou who has nuts AD + Power Mimicry and was beating him mid-punches because Saitama AD was literally better. And it works fast, too. Saitama was putting the paws on Garou, his AD jumped exponentially, Garou tried to fight back then got no-sold blocked by Saitama.

I saw that an argument Gwen would just put up a barrier, but hear me out: Saitama punches it really hard. I'm serious. Forcefields have durability (NO WAY!), and the forcefield shown in the Mana Ben 10 page doesn't have anything special going for it that wouldn't let Saitama just punch through it.

This goes without saying but, Gwen isn't as skilled as Garou, yet alone Saitama who sits above him. I bring this up because, once Saitama gets into close-quarters, she's getting out-skilled grievously. Like, to the point of her not being able to do anything out-skilled.

 

[Lort15]

That's better, thanks. I'll go ahead and respond to arguments for Gwen before going on to my own reasons why I think Saitama would win (It'll be useless since Saitama already got FRA trained, but I'll do it because I think this is fun)


Saitama's Accelerated Development should be able to handle this. How is Gwen reducing Saitama's power? Saitama's shockwaves are a by-product of his strength. It's related to his AP. How is Gwen nullifying and reversing Shockwaves?


Can I see what this looks like in action?


Sure. How likely is it that Gwen will use time stop?

Blood-lusted Saitama is a better version of Parallel Timeline Garou​

This is because Saitama supposedly has Garou's Perfected Martial Arts after copying it from him and can simultaneously surpass Garou himself.


Assuming that the Thread Starter permits usage of Garou's Perfected Martial Arts, this makes it easier for Saitama to beat Gwen to death. Literally anything Garou does with his Martial Arts, Saitama does it but better. Saitama's Accelerated Development would continually make the AP gap into an AP chasm and increase his speed. Saitama was going blow-for-blow with Garou who has nuts AD + Power Mimicry and was beating him mid-punches because Saitama AD was literally better. And it works fast, too. Saitama was putting the paws on Garou, his AD jumped exponentially, Garou tried to fight back then got no-sold blocked by Saitama.

I saw that an argument Gwen would just put up a barrier, but hear me out: Saitama punches it really hard. I'm serious. Forcefields have durability (NO WAY!), and the forcefield shown in the Mana Ben 10 page doesn't have anything special going for it that wouldn't let Saitama just punch through it.

This goes without saying but, Gwen isn't as skilled as Garou, yet alone Saitama who sits above him. I bring this up because, once Saitama gets into close-quarters, she's getting out-skilled grievously. Like, to the point of her not being able to do anything out-skilled.

@REX9097 good luck with that

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Saitama's Accelerated Development should be able to handle this. How is Gwen reducing Saitama's power? Saitama's shockwaves are a by-product of his strength. It's related to his AP. How is Gwen nullifying and reversing Shockwaves?

Time reversal Ig. Saitama's speed would be reduced due to Tardis Motis as one of Gwen's openers. Time reversal is a possibility if Saitama gets close.

Look at her standard attacks

Can I see what this looks like in action?

Here. But do note it does increase one's power 10 fold.

Sure. How likely is it that Gwen will use time stop?

Likely before getting overwhelmed. She used it to nullify Eon's minions despite her tearing through them rather effortlessly.

Blood-lusted Saitama is a better version of Parallel Timeline Garou​

This is because Saitama supposedly has Garou's Perfected Martial Arts after copying it from him and can simultaneously surpass Garou himself.


Assuming that the Thread Starter permits usage of Garou's Perfected Martial Arts, this makes it easier for Saitama to beat Gwen to death. Literally anything Garou does with his Martial Arts, Saitama does it but better. Saitama's Accelerated Development would continually make the AP gap into an AP chasm and increase his speed. Saitama was going blow-for-blow with Garou who has nuts AD + Power Mimicry and was beating him mid-punches because Saitama AD was literally better. And it works fast, too. Saitama was putting the paws on Garou, his AD jumped exponentially, Garou tried to fight back then got no-sold blocked by Saitama.

I saw that an argument Gwen would just put up a barrier, but hear me out: Saitama punches it really hard. I'm serious. Forcefields have durability (NO WAY!), and the forcefield shown in the Mana Ben 10 page doesn't have anything special going for it that wouldn't let Saitama just punch through it.

This goes without saying but, Gwen isn't as skilled as Garou, yet alone Saitama who sits above him. I bring this up because, once Saitama gets into close-quarters, she's getting out-skilled grievously. Like, to the point of her not being able to do anything out-skilled.

I think she'd use BFR(Teleporting herself and others away once things get serious is something she tends to do. Like in their fight against Albedo and Agregor) or Time Stop if Saitama gets to close. Saitama's speed will be reduced and if he breaks through a shield or two she'll see it isn't working and just BFR or Time Stop him.

 

[Catbowtie]

Time reversal Ig. Saitama's speed would be reduced due to Tardis Motis as one of Gwen's openers. Time reversal is a possibility if Saitama gets close.

How much is Saitama's speed getting reduced? How far does Time Reversal go? Does it just reset his position?

Here. But do note it does increase one's power 10 fold.

Thanks. Saitama will use his Power Mimicry on Gwen.

Likely before getting overwhelmed. She used it to nullify Eon's minions despite her tearing through them rather effortlessly.

I don't think that's the right scan.

I think she'd use BFR(Teleporting herself and others away once things get serious is something she tends to do. Like in their fight against Albedo and Agregor) or Time Stop if Saitama gets to close. Saitama's speed will be reduced and if he breaks through a shield or two she'll see it isn't working and just BFR or Time Stop him.

Sure, Saitama's speed is being reduced, but by what margin? Saitama is making exponential jumps in power with literally every passing second, reduced speed doesn't mean a whole lot when that speed is multiplying itself constantly. Can I see what the "reduced speed" ability for Gwen looks like?

When Saitama is close enough to break a forcefield, I thought that he would already be in close-quarters-combat to punch Gwen.

If Gwen tries to BFR him, Saitama can unironically come back through Time Travel.

Time Travel, Body Control, Matter Manipulation (Macro-Quantum), and Antimatter Manipulation (Travelled back in time by manipulating his own sub-atomic particles and anti-particles,[Note 1] reversing causality and ending his fight with Garou before it even began[1])

It'll "reverse" the effect of Gwen BFR'ing him. I can't say the same for Time Stop since Saitama doesn't have resistance to that and prevents him from doing anything. Can you show me what Time Stop looks like?

Edit: I just went and looked for myself because I realized I was being lazy.

• Dimensional Travel, Portal Creation & BFR: Mana can open portal to travel Legerdomain. Using spells, can send people in or out of the Lederdomain dimension.

Saitama's honest reaction:

(Joking, but that spell doesn't look like it's combat-applicable)

• Time Manipulation and Time Travel: Using spell, can suspend beings in time and travel, reverse and stop time.

This is cut to ****. What episode is this? I feel like it's taken out of context. Regardless, Key factor is that Gwen has to speak, and react. This means that she has to choose between casting a spell for a Forcefield or using Time Manipulation. If Gwen realizes that she needs to use Time Manipulation to beat Saitama, it will be far too late since I don't think she can cast spells when she's getting punched, or Saitama ripping her head off.
(Saitama)

Pre-Stellar (Many times stronger than before)

(Gwen)

At least Class P

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Sure. How likely is it that Gwen will use time stop?

She used it to get out of a sticky situation, so very likely

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You can also argue she'll absorb Saitama's life force/Power like she pulled off here

• Soul Manipulation and Absorption: Mana users can absorb souls and absorb mana, shown when Gwen and other girls absorb the mana from the Darkstar.

 

[Catbowtie]

She used it to get out of a sticky situation, so very likely

It just looks like she's showing off/not taking it seriously. Do you know what episode this is?

You can also argue she'll absorb Saitama's life force/Power like she pulled off here

Gwen can't hold down Saitama long enough for her to actually use this ability. Saitama might even take this opportunity to rip her arm off too. People are arguing that Gwen would stay away from Saitama, so this win condition doesn't matter.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It just looks like she's showing off/not taking it seriously.

That's not gonna happen in the fight tho, she's bloodlusted

Do you know what episode this is?

Nah

 

[Catbowtie]

That's not gonna happen in the fight tho, she's bloodlusted

Wait what do you mean?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Wait what do you mean?

I meant that in the fight, she won't be trying to show off if she use the Time Stop ability (She won't be in a careless/confident state of mind)

 

[CBslayeR]

This can't be added since you gave her knowledge she never had in the series btw

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This can't be added since you gave her knowledge she never had in the series btw

What?

 

[CBslayeR]

What?

Gwen learned its full potential isn't a key or a thing she ever does in the series, she never fully masters magic or her anodite powers in OV, it's not a real key on the profile and is not something she has access to or anything

 

[CBslayeR]

Also doesn't Gwen lead with laser blasts and shields in every single fight she's in, why are all the votes assuming she instantly kills this guy in a superhero costume; she'd be a lot less inclined to go for a straight murder here since we're following SBA.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Gwen learned its full potential isn't a key or a thing she ever does in the series, she never fully masters magic or her anodite powers in OV, it's not a real key on the profile and is not something she has access to or anything

How does it affect any scans shown in the thread

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Also doesn't Gwen lead with laser blasts and shields in every single fight she's in, why are all the votes assuming she instantly kills this guy in a superhero costume; she'd be a lot less inclined to go for a straight murder here since we're following SBA.

No we aren't. She's specifically bloodlusted meaning she'll go straight for the kill with anything

 

[Catbowtie]

Do you mean the Thread Starter blood-lusted her or is she naturally blood-lusted in this Key?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Do you mean the Thread Starter blood-lusted her or is she naturally blood-lusted in this Key?

The thread starters made her bloodlusted

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

• Both are 4-A
• Speed was equalized
• SBA for the rest
• Gwen learned its full potential.
• (Parallel Timeline) Saitama is for used
• Fight takes place a space in Jupiter

Where were they ever bloodlusted?

 

[Catbowtie]

If he did, he has to put it in the Thread's starting post. Can you quote it so I can see it?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If he did, he has to put it in the Thread's starting post. Can you quote it so I can see it?

I swear he must've edited the thread, cuz the rules were different when I voted

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Icl might asw ask REX to change FP to "Bloodlust", else its a stomp

 

[CBslayeR]

No we aren't. She's specifically bloodlusted meaning she'll go straight for the kill with anything

Read the OP, she's in character here. (with knowledge about herself she never had but whatever)

And also half of those abilities are extremely OOC, she's not gonna suck out Saitama's soul for no reason, you could argue someone like Ben using his ice in a vs thread and kill someone on accident but Soul Absorption is blatantly murder in the Ben 10 verse, she wouldn't do this to a guy dressed in a hero costume who's probably not even trying to attack her at the start realistically lmao

Time Stop could work since Saitama is kind of a troll in character

 

[CBslayeR]

Icl might asw ask REX to change FP to "Bloodlust", else its a stomp

Honestly I don't even think it's a stomp, it'd just be who does their winning option first which atp its an incon


Both are not gonna go for a killshot here cause in character they either dont lead with it or stand around in Saitama's case

 

[Catbowtie]

Time Stop could work since Saitama is kind of a troll in character

Honestly I don't even think it's a stomp, it'd just be who does their winning option first which atp its an incon


Both are not gonna go for a killshot here cause in character they either dont lead with it or stand around in Saitama's case

Saitama is blood-lusted:

Yes

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Saitama is blood-lusted:

Alright so I wasn't tripping

 

[Catbowtie]

You said "her" which meant Gwen, not Saitama.

 

[CBslayeR]

Okay so Saitama oneshots and ADs immediately before Gwen can do anything

 

[CBslayeR]

Votes should also be reset since OP never specified he was bloodlusted, and he just changed it without updating OP in a random thread reply

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Considering Saitama has such a huge AP advantage I'm not sure why Gwen's shields were brought up. Her shields are shown to be breakable in damn near every episode of Alien Force/Ultimate Alien.

 

[Catbowtie]

Okay so Saitama oneshots and ADs immediately before Gwen can do anything

Wait, really? I only saw that Saitama had an AP advantage by an unknown but notable amount.

Votes should also be reset since OP never specified he was bloodlusted, and he just changed it without updating OP in a random thread reply

I'm pretty sure-wait a minute

• Today at 04:43

Gwen Anodite vs Saitama [10-0-0] (GRACE)​

This reached Grace in like...6 hours? Am I tripping?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Votes should also be reset since OP never specified he was bloodlusted, and he just changed it without updating OP in a random thread reply

Seems unnecessary. Members will likely come back and change their view if the winner is clear.

If we go based of in character stuff. Then Gwen would open with Energy attacks and shields, Saitama would take no damage and break through the shields effortlessly, Gwen would see this and likely change her strategy to more complex spells like all the ones mentioned and she even has a habit of teleporting away from more physical threats like Aggregor and Albedo. While Saitama would be like 0_0 {Where did she do?)