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Tier 9-B Enter the Octagon Tournament 2022: Chris Jericho vs Deathstroke (The Finale)

RandomGuy2345 said:
Jericho: Defeats 3 people in a tourney with weapons similar to Slade's to go to the finale

Everyone: "Slade wins because of his weaponry"

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1 wielded a tie with poison nothing compared to Slades.

the only ones with weapons the same as Slades would be the Dr. Stone characters and again lemme spell it out X CHARACTER BEAT Y CHARACTER DOES NOT WORK.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Jericho would have disarmed Slade by then, and when Slade realizes, he'll go for his weapons, which leaves him open for a Codebreaker GG. Jericho does not need to get rid of the blade once he's disarmed it from Slade.
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This is the exact same argument that has been discussed for the past page, and has only ever led to circular answers.


Can we please just skip to voting so we don't have to keep doing this?
 
All of the people voting Slade are using the same exact arguments made in every other Jericho thread in this tourney, and they all ended up being debunked in those matchups.

We're frustrated over the fact that the same arguments from previous threads that were already debunked are being used here. Why are you guys arguing points that have already been debunked in previous threads before this? I just don't get it.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Jericho would have disarmed Slade by then, and when Slade realizes, he'll go for his weapons, which leaves him open for a Codebreaker GG. Jericho does not need to get rid of the blade once he's disarmed it from Slade.
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???????????? so Slade just stands there looking like a moron after already being disarmed? thats what im hearing right now? im so sick of repeating myself slade. is. not. gonna. just. stand. in. front. of. Jericho. the moment his weapon is gone he's already pulled out his daggers and resorted to either trying to get his Katana back or quickly pulling the knife from his boot out which is not even gonna take a second to do.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
All of the people voting Slade are using the same exact arguments made in every other Jericho thread in this tourney, and they all ended up being debunked in those matchups.

We're frustrated over the fact that the same arguments from previous threads that were already debunked are being used here. Why are you guys arguing points that have already been debunked in previous threads before this? I just don't get it.
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Don't act like your side isn't recycling the same arguments. Both sides have reached a complete circular gridlock. Complaining about one sides repeating of answers is just laughable at this point.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
All of the people voting Slade are using the same exact arguments made in every other Jericho thread in this tourney, and they all ended up being debunked in those matchups.
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stop acting like Jericho wins just because he beat someone with weapons that was less skilled then Slade and has less options.
 
InfiniteDay said:
Don't act like your side isn't recycling the same arguments. Both sides have reached a complete circular gridlock. Complaining about one sides repeating of answers is just laughable at this point.
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Blaming a side for making repeated counter-arguments to repeated arguments is one hell of a take.
 
Pikaman said:
Blaming a side for making repeated counter-arguments to repeated arguments is one hell of a take.
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My entire point for my last 5 points is that every side is guilty of this behavior and it's no one sides fault. Please stop misrepresenting my words.
 
InfiniteDay said:
At what vote count is grace reached?
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For a verdict, there must be at least seven votes in favor of one character/team, with a minimum difference of three votes. Some examples:
  • A final vote tally of 6-0 will be considered invalid.
  • A final vote tally of 7-0 will be considered valid.
  • A final vote tally of 7-4 will be considered valid.
  • A final vote tally of 7-5 will be considered invalid
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InfiniteDay said:
Don't act like your side isn't recycling the same arguments. Both sides have reached a complete circular gridlock. Complaining about one sides repeating of answers is just laughable at this point.
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The reason why we're recycling arguments is because y'all are making arguments that were debunked in previous threads. Ours haven't yet.

The whole weapon argument y'all are making here has been debunked in literally every thread Jericho has been in.

Me, Pika, and Vin keep on arguing the skill thing because it's an advantage that hasn't been debunked yet.

We kept on arguing about Jericho's Codebreaker because it's a one shot move that's defeating Slade when hit, just like every other opponent Jericho has faced.

We kept on arguing about Jericho's IR because it'll make it harder for opponents to land some good offense on Jericho.

We kept on arguing about Jericho's LS advantage because it's something he can utilize to get the win here. If Jericho can lock in the Liontamer or the Walls of Jericho, then it's GG's for Slade.

Your take here would make sense if the arguments us three were making for Jericho were debunked in previous threads. Every argument mentioned in this comment for Jericho is 100% viable, while the weaponry argument y'all are making for Slade has been debunked in previous threads countless of times.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
The reason why we're recycling arguments is because y'all are making arguments that were debunked in previous threads. Ours haven't yet.

The whole weapon argument y'all are making here has been debunked in literally every thread Jericho has been in.

Me, Pika, and Vin keep on arguing the skill thing because it's an advantage that hasn't been debunked yet.

We kept on arguing about Jericho's Codebreaker because it's a one shot move that's defeating Slade when hit, just like every other opponent Jericho has faced.

We kept on arguing about Jericho's IR because it'll make it harder for opponents to land some good offense on Jericho.
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All of these points have been going in a circle, I will not discuss any of these further lest the exact same thing happen.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
He will if he's backed into a corner (which no one has debunked yet).
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how would he use it on Slade? the dude isn't stupid and has fought against people who tried to get into his head before like his own Son and Green Arrow with both failing horribly resulting in his Son trying to use trickery to beat Slade and Green Arrow just going for the classic CQC.
 
InfiniteDay said:
Ok, but how does he commonly use it?
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He can trick Slade into thinking he gives up, and then he can hit him with the Codebreaker to win.

He can also use it to trick Slade into falling for a trick (which he's done before in canon without saying a single word).

Jericho can also use personal insults to get into Slade's head.

Bruhtelho said:
how would he use it on Slade? the dude isn't stupid and has fought against people who tried to get into his head before like his own Son and Green Arrow with both failing horribly resulting in his Son trying to use trickery to beat Slade and Green Arrow just going for the classic CQC.
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Do they have Social Influencing? And if so, do they have it on Jericho's level?
 
Bruhtelho said:
how would he use it on Slade? the dude isn't stupid and has fought against people who tried to get into his head before like his own Son and Green Arrow with both failing horribly resulting in his Son trying to use trickery to beat Slade and Green Arrow just going for the classic CQC.
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Can his son influence thousands of people without talking?
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
He can trick Slade into thinking he gives up, and then he can hit him with the Codebreaker to win.

He can also use it to trick Slade into falling for a trick (which he's done before in canon without saying a single word).

Jericho can also use personal insults to get into Slade's head.
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Alright, for the first point this is a deathmatch so i'm not sure Slade will give it any regards and simply go for the kill.

For the second point that could be effective, but it depends what type of trick he would be using and what it would be used for. But then again, Slade, after seeing that Jericho can instinctively dodge most of Slade's attacks, will obviously be more cautious of fakes and taunts.

This final point will probably pose a problem if Jericho can spam it, but it really depends on if Slade can simply finish this fight before Jericho gets slashed.
 
He can also fake like he's hurt, then he finish Slade off.

Slade will think that Jericho is extremely injured, and unable to do anything, so he'll approach Jericho to try and finish him off, and then that's when Jericho will hit the Codebreaker.
 
Bruhtelho said:
how would he use it on Slade? the dude isn't stupid
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Intelligence is not always an automatic counter for Social Influencing, you don’t get social Influencing for tricking stupid people, you get it for manipulating people clever in their own right and being notably skilled with words on a possibly superhuman level
 
Slade is not going to be affected by cheap tactics and minor social influence. The dude is a cold-blooded killer who cares only about the task at hand; assassinating his opponents.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
He can trick Slade into thinking he gives up, and then he can hit him with the Codebreaker to win.

He can also use it to trick Slade into falling for a trick (which he's done before in canon without saying a single word).
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Slade has fought against opponents who tried to trick him like Green Arrow and his own Son which again didn't go well.
RandomGuy2345 said:
Jericho can also use personal insults to get into Slade's head.
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like what exactly? he knows nothing about Slade's personal life cause by SBA they only get knowledge of the character's appearance and nothing else
RandomGuy2345 said:
Do they have Social Influencing? And if so, do they have it on Jericho's level?
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you don't need to have faced Social Influencing to be able to have a great intelligence against mind players, Social Influencing is not mind powers that'll make the opponent not think normally, if his own Son failed to trick his father with words, why would some random nobody to Slade work?
 
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