Tier 5-C The Sky Apocalypse Tournament (2023): Saturn (FCOC) vs Kagami Kagami

[DemonicDude]

Magical Girl vs The Magic Boy
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Spinoirr vs DontTalkDT
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Rules:

• Attack Potency: (38 Exatons to 400 Exatons) (Willing to make exceptions)
• Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
• Distance: 50 meters apart from each other
• Win: Win via killing or Incap or BFR (As long as both are not the first move for instant win)
• Knowledge: Random encounters no prior knowledge to anybody
• Participants: Total 14 Participants! One spot belongs to me
• Location: All matches will take place Sky High in a levatation Mountain known as The Mountain of Doom. This place is 20000 m high in the sky floatting. Your character if fell from the mountain will die and you will lose the match, Be wise with your picks the land is jungle with giant sequoia trees.
  
  (Location picture below)
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Combatants:

VS

Result​

Characters:	Attack Potency:	Votes:
Saturn (Post Timeskip):	112.30 Exatons	7 (Spinoirr, DemonicDude, Noneless, Adem, Popted2, Reiner, Raggy)
Kagami Kagami:	Upscales from 59.2 Exatons
Inconclusive:

 

[Spinoirr]

Alright Saturn likes using his TK to fling around his foe but this is only after his CQC fails

Saturn has battled against a crime Lord who can manipulate and control every sense and yanalad as well as Taiga snow who trained with the best Magic and sword users on the planet ever sense she was a kid due to her rich upbringing

 

[Spinoirr]

He even tricked yanalad and landed a hit on him even though yanald can see into all possible futures before getting killed by yanald

 

[DontTalkDT]

How polite is Saturn?

What Telekinesis flinging is concerned: Well, the 3km+ big Mecha can fly and has planetary range with countless projectiles, so being flung around is no big issue.

What skill is concerned: Kagami literally defeated the most skilled fighter in the world with her eyes closed by just predicting all her moves after reading her fightning style. And this is not your baseline human world. This is a world that has for generations desperately honed the greatest fighters with all their might, as the Black Witch can only be challenged 2-vs-1 at best and not defeating her soon would mean the end of the world. (A fact the witch made sure to make them painfully aware of, some decades ago, by killing millions of people)
These fighters are all likewise trained from early age. The one she defeated with eyes closed in particular is so skilled that, due to skill alone, her regular movements are imperceptible to other top tier fighters.
Kagami traveled through all kinds of universes, with greatly varying settings and powers. So she also learned to be highly adaptable.

That aside, Kagami can create whatever she wants, which is handy.

Also, I should mention that the Princess Style Geo Frame that the last key is about is a fusion of Kagami's and Horinouchi's devices. Saying that now, as it means that the latter's techniques are available in this form, in case it becomes relevant. (Kinda an awkward way to list a mech used by 2 people at once, I admit. I'm not the one who decided that, though...)

 

[Spinoirr]

How polite is Saturn?

What Telekinesis flinging is concerned: Well, the 3km+ big Mecha can fly and has planetary range with countless projectiles, so being flung around is no big issue.

What skill is concerned: Kagami literally defeated the most skilled fighter in the world with her eyes closed by just predicting all her moves after reading her fightning style. And this is not your baseline human world. This is a world that has for generations desperately honed the greatest fighters with all their might, as the Black Witch can only be challenged 2-vs-1 at best and not defeating her soon would mean the end of the world. (A fact the witch made sure to make them painfully aware of, some decades ago, by killing millions of people)
These fighters are all likewise trained from early age. The one she defeated with eyes closed in particular is so skilled that, due to skill alone, her regular movements are imperceptible to other top tier fighters.
Kagami traveled through all kinds of universes, with greatly varying settings and powers. So she also learned to be highly adaptable.

That aside, Kagami can create whatever she wants, which is handy.

Also, I should mention that the Princess Style Geo Frame that the last key is about is a fusion of Kagami's and Horinouchi's devices. Saying that now, as it means that the latter's techniques are available in this form, in case it becomes relevant. (Kinda an awkward way to list a mech used by 2 people at once, I admit. I'm not the one who decided that, though...)

He is like his mom where he is the type of person to throw you into a pool to teach you to swim and is willing to punch his way out of problems and he used to have rage problems but got over them by this key, he is 100% willing to kill if it means survival as he will do what he has to do to survive (but he will warn you to leave him alone and stop trying to kill him once)

 

[Spinoirr]

Also how will they deal with this?

Destruction Magic: Saturn's most dangerous magic available when he accesses Dragon Mode. Destruction Magic is capable of destroying anything it comes in contact with. Due to its very nature, it can negate Regeneration capabilities on a physical level

• Destruction Balls: Saturn fires off slow moving balls of destruction. They are easy to dodge, but destroy anything they come in contact with. After hitting something, they dissipate as well.
• Destruction Flames: Saturn unleashes a stream of black colored flames that destroy all that come in contact with it and unlike Destruction Balls, continue going forward.

 

[Spinoirr]

Should also mention the fact yanald stomped a whole army of the world's best magic users so badly that it stopped a lot of people from wanting to continue being magic users and learn magic, yet Saturn can fight yanalad (who can see all futures and hit him despite getting killed by him later on before coming back to life with yanalds brother saying him and taiga are the only people who can stop yanald despite not having any resistance to future vision yet) and yes there is magic training schools to learn how to use magic to battle creatures of Darkness and they train to learn magic at sense they are kids

Yanalds intelligence section:
At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius (Continuously manipulated Cherry while imprisoned within the moon over thousands years, learning continuously about the outside world as well during this time. Swap Future reinforces his already great intelligence with the power to see all futures that lie before him and act accordingly but he is quite arrogant and has a god complex after absorbing the magic god)

Saturn landed a hit on him with stat mode before he absorbed the magic god btw

 

[Spinoirr]

How can they deal with

Saturn's lifting strength upscales from Lifting Strength: 3.46568e+15 kg and is baseline class Z with via Telekinesis (scales to someone who lifted the moon)

 

[DontTalkDT]

He is like his mom where he is the type of person to throw you into a pool to teach you to swim and is willing to punch his way out of problems and he used to have rage problems but got over them by this key, he is 100% willing to kill if it means survival as he will do what he has to do to survive (but he will warn you to leave him alone and stop trying to kill him once)

Oh, I'm mostly asking because I wonder whether he will introduce himself.

Also how will they deal with this?

Destruction Magic: Saturn's most dangerous magic available when he accesses Dragon Mode. Destruction Magic is capable of destroying anything it comes in contact with. Due to its very nature, it can negate Regeneration capabilities on a physical level

• Destruction Balls: Saturn fires off slow moving balls of destruction. They are easy to dodge, but destroy anything they come in contact with. After hitting something, they dissipate as well.
• Destruction Flames: Saturn unleashes a stream of black colored flames that destroy all that come in contact with it and unlike Destruction Balls, continue going forward.

Seeing as the balls are noted to be slow, dodging is a simple countermeasure.
Aside from that, if he destroys part of the giant ass mecha, Kagami can use her creation capabilities to create it again.

Should also mention the fact yanald stomped a whole army of the world's best magic users so badly that it stopped a lot of people from wanting to continue being magic users and learn magic, yet Saturn can fight yanalad (who can see all futures and hit him despite getting killed by him later on before coming back to life with yanalds brother saying him and taiga are the only people who can stop yanald despite not having any resistance to future vision yet)

Stomping a whole army would only be impressive if it's done in some skill-based way. If it's just "I'm stronger, faster and can cast better spells" it doesn't mean much.

Like, Kagami also outskills people that can stomp high-tier witch armies, but it has little to do with skill as the specific fighting style involved in that is not really a skill competition.

Usually I would ask for a scan / quote of how exactly the army is defeated here, but.... ehhh... do such things exist?

How can they deal with

Saturn's lifting strength upscales from Lifting Strength: 3.46568e+15 kg and is baseline class Z with via Telekinesis (scales to someone who lifted the moon)

5-C flight and generally planetary range.

 

[Spinoirr]

Don't you need better lifting strength to break free from TK?

Also Saturn would keep to himself in battle and not say his name because he would be suspicious why she is asking his name, like he focuses on the fight rather then talking other then saying jabs Like "that power is cheap"

 

[Spinoirr]

BTW his

• Destruction Flames: Saturn unleashes a stream of black colored flames that destroy all that come in contact with it and unlike Destruction Balls, continue going forward.

aren't slow, they are basically as fast as this

0:29

 

[Spinoirr]

So basically if his CQC fails he will restort to class Z TK, which her at least Class G lifting can't help her beak free from and freeze her soild by lifting his hand and auto locking onto her (ice manipulation ignores durability and so does fire manipulation if you have no resistance to it) or Just hold her in place with TK and destruction flame her meaning it ignores her durability and leaves no atoms left of her no matter what

 

[DontTalkDT]

Don't you need better lifting strength to break free from TK?

Generally no. Only if you try to do it by means that is a LS competition. Like, you gotta consider that Kagami's mech has a propulsion system powerful enough to accelerate a 3km mech to relativistic speed nigh-instantly. That needs some serious force.

She could also protect against it by creating forcefields using Horinouchi's side of the mech's capabilities.

Also Saturn would keep to himself in battle and not say his name because he would be suspicious why she is asking his name, like he focuses on the fight rather then talking other then saying jabs Like "that power is cheap"

Oh, Kagami doesn't typically asks. She might go and introduce herself, though. And then he might feel like he should respond in kind.

BTW his

• Destruction Flames: Saturn unleashes a stream of black colored flames that destroy all that come in contact with it and unlike Destruction Balls, continue going forward.

aren't slow, they are basically as fast as this

0:29

That's pretty easy to read, so someone with Kagami's skill has a walk in the park aimdodging that.

(ice manipulation ignores durability and so does fire manipulation if you have no resistance to it)

That's not true in general and less for a mech. And forcefields.

or Just hold her in place with TK and destruction flame her meaning it ignores her durability and leaves no atoms left of her no matter what

Can just forcefield against that as well tbh. Those forcefields are Ether stuff so mere matter destruction is going to do nothing.



Anyway, let's talk the other direction. What does Saturn do against homing projectiles from all directions simultaneously?

 

[Spinoirr]

Aim doge a massive KMs sized blast of Destruction Flames?

Like it's like this size but black fire that can detroy anything it touches no matter what


Iike his Destruction Flame blast from one hand was seen from space from the moon and it kept going into space

 

[Spinoirr]

That's not true in general and less for a mech. And forcefields.

Can just forcefield against that as well tbh. Those forcefields are Ether stuff so mere matter destruction is going to do nothing.

Anyway, let's talk the other direction. What does Saturn do against homing projectiles from all directions simultaneously?

Where is her resistance to ice manipulation, heat manipulation and Deconstruction? Because if it's not on her profile then those things ignore her durability

I have it's been agreed on the wiki that you need resistance to heat and ice and say how hot or how cold you have resistance to to survive heat and cold based attacks and same applies to Deconstruction, you need proof her forcefields have protected her from Deconstruction haxs otherwise that's just pure headcannon

Also it's been agreed on the wiki you only need better lifting strength and flight mixed to escape TK as shown in the mob vs tatsumaki vs thread and meny more vs threads with TK involved

 

[Spinoirr]

Saturn's heat can melt any metal (which means his fire can melt tungsten easily, her mech suit will be melted by his fire attack easily and she would melt alongside it as she has zero heat resistance)

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyway, let's talk the other direction. What does Saturn do against homing projectiles from all directions simultaneously?

Aoe blast them away knowing he can't dodge them

The ground starts to shake, as Saturn starts lifting up a massive rock out the ground to use as a fighting ground with his Telekinesis.... Saturn starts to get choked by the man who tricked him into trusting him, which led to him getting his training magic stolen... he just had a Battle with him in which he had been overpowered

Guy: Tch... You call yourself a magic user. Useless.

Saturn: ...ahhhhhh!!!!!

All of a sudden Saturn's eyes glow red as a massive fireball covers the whole ground... even rising higher then the mountains around the area.

this fire ball has been calculated to be 37.00 kilometers tall and this was in his base form in a previous arc so his aoe has grown even more then that

 

[DontTalkDT]

Where is her resistance to ice manipulation, heat manipulation and Deconstruction? Because if it's not on her profile then those things ignore her durability

I have it's been agreed on the wiki that you need resistance to heat and ice and say how hot or how cold you have resistance to to survive heat and cold based attacks and same applies to Deconstruction, you need proof her forcefields have protected her from Deconstruction haxs otherwise that's just pure headcannon

I don't know who informed you of that, but no, ice and heat attacks do not circumvent durability in their entirety. We had a debate in the past about that, but it never quite concluded and the last state of the debate was that durability against heat and regular durability only varies to an extent. Similar to how blunt vs piercing damage makes a difference to an extent. Given, as the thread never concluded it's basically in an unregulated state right now.

It's not general practice that everyone who got hit by a heat or ice attack once gets resistance, from what I see.

Kagami's mech has shown tanking 5-C explosions, so there you have heat. And it's made out of metal. Metal doesn't especially care if you freeze it, 'cause it's already solid.

Deconstruction works on the mech, but then you have the problem that her forcefields are made out of stuff that Saturn can't deconstruct. They're made out of Ether, a substance (or on Clash of Hexennacht it's usually viewed more as energy) that is roughly Type 2 Information and is more abstract than matter, energy, space, time, minds, souls, information type 1, destiny and the laws of nature. That isn't to say that you can't destroy them via brute force, but if you want to deconstruct Ether you need something that can deconstruct on an abstract level.

Also it's been agreed on the wiki you only need better lifting strength and flight mixed to escape TK as shown in the mob vs tatsumaki vs thread and meny more vs threads with TK involved

Better LS and flight is maybe a way to do it. It doesn't mean it's the only way. Like, again, what he needs to do is overpower the propulsion system of the mech. No way around it. If you don't cancel out the power behind a push, then the remaining power will still cause movement.

It's in essence the same as how you can free yourself from binds by shattering them with AP.

Saturn's heat can melt any metal (which means his fire can melt tungsten easily, her mech suit will be melted by his fire attack easily and she would melt alongside it as she has zero heat resistance)

A supernatural metal that can tank 5-C explosions and stuff is a bit more durable than tungsten.

 

[Spinoirr]

Or just use stat mode to make thousands of clones all strong as he is as well as amping his speed to speed blitz anyone as fast as he is and boost his power to ap stomp anyone stronger then him and making a heat aoe Aura that passively melts everything around him and to also boost his defense with a full body forcefield

 

[DontTalkDT]

Anyway, let's talk the other direction. What does Saturn do against homing projectiles from all directions simultaneously?

Aoe blast them away knowing he can't dodge them

The ground starts to shake, as Saturn starts lifting up a massive rock out the ground to use as a fighting ground with his Telekinesis.... Saturn starts to get choked by the man who tricked him into trusting him, which led to him getting his training magic stolen... he just had a Battle with him in which he had been overpowered

Guy: Tch... You call yourself a magic user. Useless.

Saturn: ...ahhhhhh!!!!!

All of a sudden Saturn's eyes glow red as a massive fireball covers the whole ground... even rising higher then the mountains around the area.

this fire ball has been calculated to be 37.00 kilometers tall and this was in his base form in a previous arc so his aoe has grown even more then that

Alright, so he does that... and right after there are more shots coming in again. You're fighting against a bullet spammer.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Or just use stat mode to make thousands of clones all strong as he is as well as amping his speed to speed blitz anyone as fast as he is and boost his power to ap stomp anyone stronger then him and making a heat aoe Aura that passively melts everything around him and to also boost his defense with a full body forcefield

He can just blitz? Yeah, then he wins. Nothing much Kagami can do against blitzing.

 

[Spinoirr]

Alright, so he does that... and right after there are more shots coming in again. You're fighting against a bullet spammer.

Stat mode it is then, speed blitzes her attacks and tanks them with a forcefield that can survive hits that would kill him and a passive aoe heat Aura that melts and detroy any attack that goes near him that can melt AZ ice also his thousands of clones who are just as strong and fast as he is too

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyways I vote for Saturn based on my agreements

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Was going to ask for scans about Saturn stuff, along with ask why videos of Bleach and Dragon Ball were send, but then now I noticed how he is a FCOC character. I'm ok if you want to make a match between wikis (though that should honestly go in fun and games) but you know that then the matches with him can't be added to the profiles right? I ask just to confirm since I got the idea that the purpose of this type of tournaments were made to add matches to profiles.

 

[DemonicDude]

Anyways I vote for Saturn based on my agreements

FRA

 

[Noneless21]

ig Saturn FRA

and like what Expectro said, is this allowed?

 

[DemonicDude]

ig Saturn FRA

and like what Expectro said, is this allowed?

I have been told by Spin that this is allowed via Vsbattle rules.

Characters from fcoc can fight vs battle wiki Characters but it can't be added the vs battle wiki Character but to the fcoc Character
Also I probably need to post the matches with them in fcoc vs battle wiki vs matches section Aka posting the matches with them in here https://vsbattles.com/forums/versus-battles.29/

 

[Noneless21]

I have been told by Spin that this is allowed via Vsbattle rules.

alright then

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Sat FRA

 

[Popted2]

Sat FRA

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Or just use stat mode to make thousands of clones all strong as he is as well as amping his speed to speed blitz anyone as fast as he is and boost his power to ap stomp anyone stronger then him

We literally have the rule of no speed amps in the tournament

"No Instant Speed amp to avoid stomps"

 

[Reiner04]

Sat FRA

Fra

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I have been told by Spin that this is allowed via Vsbattle rules.

From how the rules are writen in the versus rules it seems like not:

Please do not create versus threads for characters without profiles in this wiki.

However reading the rules of fcoc it seems that for their profiles is allowed:

• OC characters can have battles against not only Characters from other original series's here, but from different, notable and official Franchises (Marvel, DC, Sailor Moon, Toriko, Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Kingdom Hearts, etc.) as well.
  • Keep in mind that this has been done by at least a couple known other wiki's (i.e Death Battle Fanon Wiki for one has actually done this plenty of times (albeit it's not known very much there but they have done it nonetheless), and Jokes Battles (another site that is affiliated with VS Battles much like here) has even done a couple as well. If anything, this is okay and allowed to be done.

So I guess is fine? That said though:

We literally have the rule of no speed amps in the tournament

"No Instant Speed amp to avoid stomps"

This is indeed one of the rules set in the tournament, and if Saturn is supposed to have blitz level speed amp that he apparently would use really quickly though I'm not really sure of that because Spinor just mentioned several moves that he is supposed to begin with so I don't know if is actually true he quickly amp but since is a fcoc character I'm not even gonna question anything, so he should be kicked from the tournament (however the match still could be added to his profile).

 

[DemonicDude]

If he opens with one shorting blitz then that's problem as long as others have at least one wincon it should be fine is what I wanted to elaborate.

 

[Aachintya31]

W saturn FRA

 

[Spinoirr]

If he opens with one shorting blitz then that's problem as long as others have at least one wincon it should be fine is what I wanted to elaborate.

He doesn't open with it, he opens with CQC, then TK, then destruction Magic and then stat mode as a last resort

 

[DemonicDude]

He doesn't open with it, he opens with CQC, then TK, then destruction Magic and then stat mode as a last resort

Okay congrats on winning your first fight.

 

[DontTalkDT]

He doesn't open with it, he opens with CQC, then TK, then destruction Magic and then stat mode as a last resort

Does that mean he would be hit by the first three barrages of countless arrows then?

 

[Spinoirr]

Does that mean he would be hit by the first three barrages of countless arrows then?

No he would probably use Stat mode or make a AOE of destruction flames to counter that as that's a last resort

 

[Arkenis]

5-C flight

what does this mean?