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Well to be fair, they wouldn't be at tier 0 for being humanity, they'd be at tier 0 for seeing a High 1-A/0 structure as a mere mental construct and for having influence over it.Antvasima said:I also don't approve of making all of 3-D humanity a tier 0 species. It would strongly violate our Reality - Fiction Interaction regulations.
Agreed. I think it is more the idea of a group of 3-D beings, who are supposed to be us, getting placed in Tier 0 due to the fact they can supposedly exert total influence over a reality that contains basically everything ever, even though such a thing seems contradictory to the very ideas presented by the Mathiverse that landed it in this tier, to begin with. Alongside the fact that the Mathiverse is supposed to mimic the rules of observed reality "pretty well", and through further tinkering, "the correspondence between Mathiversian rules and observed reality becomes extraordinarily accurate", this makes it difficult to cut the meta concepts away and leave only the remains for a clear tier. The commentary about the nature of mathematics and the part they play in our world is something that you can't remove from a work that is almost solely about said idea told in a whimsical fashion.Agnaa said:I think there's something weird/offputting about having them at tier 0 and I'm not sure what it is, but I'm pretty sure it's not a violation of reality - fiction interactions.
How would we even describe their power? "10-B normally, 0 when creating new mathematical concepts and with patents"? Eugh.Iapitus The Impaler said:It feels really ******* odd to say this, but perhaps they are physically 3D beings, in that their bodies exist in 3 dimensions, but they have tier 0 power. Kinda like a really extreme version of characters with "human" bodies attacking with higher dimensional attack potency, taken to an uncomfortably extreme degree.
We're getting into very difficult intellectual territory here, Diary Dear, and not just philosophically. This stuff is right out on the frontiers of the Mathiverse, where new concepts are still popping into existence ... and the physics is pretty hairy too. So I'm going to make some notes for you. |