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Tier 0 characters in the new tiering system

divine presence will be 0 Lucifer vertigo is High1-A, Crisis cosmology Lucifer is 1-A, he has no monad properties.
I thought The Presence made statements of powers above him? I am afraid if he is going solely on omnipresence, that won't be enough.
 
Also, I believe Characters like the Buddhas in JTTW would get it. The description of the dharmakaya seemed to be coming from their teachings. A likelihood that some have attained that ultimate level and is one with it.
 
Also, I believe Characters like the Buddhas in JTTW would get it. The description of the dharmakaya seemed to be coming from their teachings. A likelihood that some have attained that ultimate level and is one with it.
Dharmakaya ? If so, he is definitely 0.
 
I thought The Presence made statements of powers above him? I am afraid if he is going solely on omnipresence, that won't be enough.
we treat the divine presence as an entirely different character in this wiki

As for if you mean Vertigo one, we accept that Yahweh and any face he uses is simply an avatar of his true nature the void
 
Also, I believe Characters like the Buddhas in JTTW would get it. The description of the dharmakaya seemed to be coming from their teachings. A likelihood that some have attained that ultimate level and is one with it.
Buddha should be H1A+ because Buddha is an avatar utilized by the Dharmakaya. Only the Dharmakaya would be tier 0
 
Goku undoubtedly first is my best bet (if he comes to the wiki in the first place, lol), on getting tier 0. The rest are to debate
 
Buddha should be H1A+ because Buddha is an avatar utilized by the Dharmakaya. Only the Dharmakaya would be tier 0
I understand that. But if there weren't references to Buddhas who have attained the Dharmakaya, then it wouldn't have been highlighted in Gautamas sutra of the dharmakaya. What I mean is, there is a possibility that they're Buddhas who have achieved the Dharmakaya. (And Gautama is mostly like one of the candidates, as he is the one teaching the sutra)
 
I understand that. But if there weren't references to Buddhas who have attained the Dharmakaya, then it wouldn't have been highlighted in Gautamas sutra of the dharmakaya. What I mean is, there is a possibility that they're Buddhas who have achieved the Dharmakaya. (And Gautama is mostly like one of the candidates, as he is the one teaching the sutra)
I see
 
Buddha should be H1A+ because Buddha is an avatar utilized by the Dharmakaya. Only the Dharmakaya would be tier 0
0 works independently of anything. It can’t be pieced or half in any way shape or form. Buddhas would rather scale from the Cosmology than the Dharmakaya. Even if it does utilize them, that only works because a 0 can trivialize anything lower than it, rather than Buddhas upscaling to it.
 
I have a question about dc (jmd) will they be 0 and high 1-A or not ? Divine presence have oneness with void and all one in him
I’m just going to add something. Oneness isn’t really the basis of it being 0. Rather, it’s described God as the true ultimate Reality with everything including Pralaya being just an illusion in his mind. Hence why they call the Sea of Brahma/the cosmic ocean of nothing as “God’s Unconcious.”

In Doctor Fate, it was said beyond the fate of the Mahapralaya is that of the fire of the Smile when the Soul makes it last dance and merged into the Oneness of God. Not to mention, all things in Creation seek to find an answer to what lies beyond Creation in an entity that “transcends” and exist beyond all dualities or quality.
 
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