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Yeah, 1-A it is, then.
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What about the City of Stars from Vertigo comics? I mean its both a location and a civilization at the same time.Agnaa said:Also, The Mathiverse is a location profile, and all location profiles were agreed to be deleted over a year ago. The only one that is here now is The Sphere of the Gods, which was accepted to stay as a cosmology page, under the condition that it's required for scaling in the verse.
The Mathiverse isn't like this so it should probably be deleted regardless.
It's currently structured as a civilization profile, using feats and abilities of its members, even if that civilization is based around a location.SageM said:What about the City of Stars from Vertigo comics? I mean its both a location and a civilization at the same time.
If location profiles were meant to be deleted, then shouldn't it have been as well?
This is closer to Reverse Death of The Author. Or, not, depending on the side.Mr. Bambu said:Something something Death of the Author.
based on the discussions both have us have seen in them arguing over the tiering systems awhile back, one could pretty easily argue Tier 0 and those below are are subject to interpretation.Moritzva said:I can see how it's a false comparison, for the reasons I outlined originally. Religion is a matter that's incredibly controversial and many modern religions are banned in their own right, as well as incredibly subject to interpretation. I don't know SMITE, so I can't comment on that.
Wait what? I read your later post so I guess you do agree that certain theologians have different definitions of omnipotence than others but what if cs lewis made a statement about omnipotence? He uses omnipotence in its purest form (as in "anything is possible", I cant remember if theres anything more complex to it than that) and solves the problem of omnipotence by saying that logically impossible actions mean nothing more than random words thrown together (e.g. What if I asked someone to hKsjxnJdne.h*?). Just want to know where we draw the line.Iapitus The Impaler said:We don't give theologian writers immediate validity to their verses dealing with omnipotence for example, and this should be no different.
it transcends Intelligence and Extelligence... it transcends Thought; it transcends Transcendence itself. |
Within it... are not just all Spaces and Times that have existed, or all Spaces and Times that will exist, or even all Spaces and Times that could exist. It also contains (wrong word, again) all Spaces and Times that could not exist |
The Mathiverse contains all formal descriptions of logical structures. The Mathiverse contains all informal descriptions of illogical structures. If one day somebody managed to invent a new kind of thing, something that wasn't a Space or a Time but somehow belonged in the same category (Now that you mention it, the Mathiverse contains all categories)... Anyway, if someone managed to do what I've just said, then whatever they came up with would have been present in the Mathiverse all along (Except, as you've guessed, "would", "have", "been", "present", "all", "along" and "in" are the wrong words, we can probably accept "the" though) |
The OP literally says "explain". How can I explain a verse I know nothing about and the OP doesn't exactly specify on what they really want explained?Antvasima said:Well, I would prefer to see what DontTalkDT and Sera EX think.
This seems to be a matter of author intent - if a mathematician with plentiful, in-depth knowledge on the mathematical concepts that we use to define Tier 0 goes on to state in-verse that the verse is 'above all math,' would that be acceptable to rank it Tier high or whatever else is decided upon?Sera EX said:The OP literally says "explain". How can I explain a verse I know nothing about and the OP doesn't exactly specify on what they really want explained?Antvasima said:Well, I would prefer to see what DontTalkDT and Sera EX think.
Is this another "fancy statements" tiering thing? Because it's getting old and I'm sorry we have to keep dealing with this.
Apologies about thatSera EX said:The OP literally says "explain". How can I explain a verse I know nothing about and the OP doesn't exactly specify on what they really want explained?
Is this another "fancy statements" tiering thing? Because it's getting old and I'm sorry we have to keep dealing with this.
The statement in question is not exactly vague though, certainly not as vague as "transcends mathematics" descriptors that are relatively common in fiction, and that is a main point I've been trying to make throughout this thread. The implications of the current rating are already in it, and the point of contention is whether or not we should take it at face value, and I don't think there is any issue with thatAgnaa said:Also, The Mathiverse is a location profile, and all location profiles were agreed to be deleted over a year ago. The only one that is here now is The Sphere of the Gods, which was accepted to stay as a cosmology page, under the condition that it's required for scaling in the verse.
The Mathiverse isn't like this so it should probably be deleted regardless.