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Not really no, gonna say why a little later.You would be correct, Reid stomps pretty bad
And do you need to say that so many times?
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Not really no, gonna say why a little later.You would be correct, Reid stomps pretty bad
I am not sure if being racist counts as a winconLordGinSama voted too.
And i pretty sure XDragnoir voted FRA too.
Wait, it doesn't? Because i think 90% of my votes don't count then in this site then, sheesh.I am not sure if being racist counts as a wincon
He give here reasons here trought.Also it's class T vs class G. Zoro can disarm him and can tear literal chunks out of his flesh just from the sheer LS gap.
Huh? What? You just made the point of speed equal meaningless? Zoro doesnt have a faster reaction speed. Also Reid has layered precognition as wellAlright, I am ready now.
Okay so first, the match start for 4km. No problem, both gonna run at each other to fight. The starting move for both is usually close combat, so thas't is going to be scenario 1. But if someone ask about attacking from a distance, I can cover that in scenario 2. Reid scale to Cecilus, and Cecilus can do a attack that can split clouds way in the sky.
And Zoro have a tons of ranged attack techniques, that can cover Kilometers. So they can both attack from affar. Who is better trought?
Is probally a draw. Zoro and Reid can both do the attack at the same speed, so it don't really matter. What does really matter, is who can consistently dodge more attacks from affar. Since speed equal, Zoro have the higher reaction speed here, and he also have layered precognition, so he can dodge way more attack from Reid, even from affar. And can pull out his attacks at the same speed.
Again Zoro being better at dodging doesnt make sense, also he is the type to block attacks not dodge themBut since Reid can cut anything, he can cut Zoro attacks, so is hard to grasp to who's gonna win this. Zoro who dodges better, or Reid.
So, out of all the ReZero characters you choose to go for Julius who isnt even as skilled as Elsa.This question is ultimatly pointless, since Zoro not gonna stay attacking from a distance and gonna get annoyed with Reid spamming from a distance, so advancing to go from close combat is the goal.
Les't go to scenario 1, close combat. And this get complicated.
So about skill. While both of them are incredible fighters, with Reid negging Julius and others statements, and Zoro being Zoro, both have differents advantages.
No he does notReid here have:
Better perception manipulation
Can cut almost all Zoro ranged attacks and his owm swords.
Can duraneg with time hax
Can resist fear manipulation
Zoro have:
Layered precognition
Faster reaction speed
Your proof? Can he even pull shit on the same level as Theresia?Way better techniques from close range
Mobility? How?Ap advantage
Lifting streght advantage
Better mobility
Can he sense layered invisible hands too?Better pain endurance
Better extrasensory perception
What if, Reid just...blocks it with his indestructible sword and redirects the force. Which yk he can do as wellAttack Reflection
O Tatsumaki, who can one-shot and almost impossible to avoid in close range
This is Reid in SBA, the "Light hearted bantering" part is over. This is Reid when he was beyond disgusted by Subaru and so he instantly behead himIf he loses his swords, he can still fight using Mutoryu
Now gonna bring out the argument of "Reid just gonna cut Zoro using his hax the moment they cross blade lel"
I need to eat my dinner, so i gonna make it quick, Reid is not do it in the first move. He is probally do it when he gonna get pressured, or wants to surprise Zoro in a surprise attack, but is most likely he would want cross blade with Zoro first, before using it.
And Zoro can uses his fastert reaction speed and precognition to dodge all his attacks, and even the space cutting ones.
Thas't it for now.
Us bro usWait, it doesn't? Because i think 90% of my votes don't count then in this site then, sheesh.
Thats a different person...He give here reasons here trought.
Is good that no mods are wathing this match hahaha...Us bro us
Is not trought, is still Lord Gin,Thats a different person...
OngIs good that no mods are wathing this match hahaha...
Right. I would like to propose a counter arguement for that tho, the LS doesnt matter as much if Zoro fails to actually grab Reid since he cant tear him limb from limb like thatIs not trought, is still Lord Gin,
In speed equal, the combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.Huh? What? You just made the point of speed equal meaningless? Zoro doesnt have a faster reaction speed. Also Reid has layered precognition as well
He can do both, really don't matterAgain Zoro being better at dodging doesnt make sense, also he is the type to block attacks not dodge them
He is trought.So, out of all the ReZero characters you choose to go for Julius who isnt even as skilled as Elsa.
No he does not
Is one the page for zoro, in techniques.Your proof? Can he even pull shit on the same level as Theresia?
Acrobatics, is on the page.Mobility? How?
Can he sense layered invisible hands too?
Reid can't exactly block a tornado that attack from every direction, before dying. His not gonna be able to redirects either, if he got taken by surprise.What if, Reid just...blocks it with his indestructible sword and redirects the force. Which yk he can do as well
Disagree with this btw, SBA don't give him any motives for him to want to kill Zoro, if he likes to fight. Like Julius.This is Reid in SBA, the "Light hearted bantering" part is over. This is Reid when he was beyond disgusted by Subaru and so he instantly behead him
Reid fought and killed dragons in his spare time and nearly commited genocide. He's like a trophy hunter. He has absolutely no regard for his targets. There's no reason he would not be willing to kill Zoro if the alternative is him being killed. Unless you're arguing that Zoro isn't trying to kill him, which completely changes the matchup, he would fight completely seriously.Disagree with this btw, SBA don't give him any motives for him to want to kill Zoro, if he likes to fight. Like Julius.
Reid can boost his perception like Wilhelm can.In speed equal, the combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
Reid have faster combat speed, so he is the one getting downgrade here, but Zoro Reaction speed is normally faster than him, so they will stay the same, while Reid gets downgrade.
Reid can pseudo-fly.Is one the page for zoro, in techniques.
Reid's profile literally states "Superior to Wilhelm"Is not even on the page for Reid, so he don't scale until someone puts there lol.
Doesn't need to block, he slashes through it.Reid can't exactly block a tornado that attack from every direction, before dying. His not gonna be able to redirects either, if he got taken by surprise.
Reid takes people stronger than or equal to him 100% seriously and will not hold back. Julius is small fry to Reid.Disagree with this btw, SBA don't give him any motives for him to want to kill Zoro, if he likes to fight. Like Julius.
I know.Reid can boost his perception like Wilhelm can.
Ok, so? I don't think that disproves my point about Zoro having way more technique in close range.Reid can pseudo-fly.
Minus in extrasensory perception.Reid's profile literally states "Superior to Wilhelm"
While being destroyed by the tornado, no.Doesn't need to block, he slashes through it.
You actually have the best argument against my point about Reid not using his cutting hax.Reid takes people stronger than or equal to him 100% seriously and will not hold back. Julius is small fry to Reid.
Killing the very concept (概念) of sound and light, Reid’s flash cleaved space.
He would affirm. Should it be the stipulated sword or the chopsticks, regardless, come what may in that flash’s path, it would be slashed down.
For that was, the very manifestation of the [concept] (概念) of the 『Sword』.
The 『Sword』 was that which was brought forth for the purpose of slashing objects down.
And sword moves, was the term denoting the techniques for slashing objects down with that sword.
Henceforth, the flash which slashed down all objects in the world, was the culmination, and the long-cherished original desire, of the 『Sword』 and of 『Sword Moves』.
Those slashed by it, would not forget the truth of having been slashed down for eternity.
Thus, the scar Julius Juukulius sustained beneath his left eye, shall not fade away for eternity.
That was the indemnification for having dodged the Sword Saint’s flash, from a distance near enough to graze past.
I think it was already covered that Reid can still cut through any spatial resistance that Zoro hasI'll vote Zoro, his AP advantage is almost 500 times higher with his LS being thousands higher, any attack he uses here is going to one-shot.
His Kenbun + AP will allow him to dodge his attacks and Buso will let him resist his spatial cutting.
Can you explain this ability further? Something to note is that peak wilhelm got strong enough to blitz kurgan who had the exact same stats when faced with danger and Reid scales above that. All swordsmen get stronger when faced with stronger opponents and get even better when on the verge of death, pretty similar to how Zoro works in OPHe also has the significant speed advantage when using Lai techniques as he could speed blitz characters with relative reaction speed to his regular techniques even while underwater where he is physically slower.
So? How that don't matter? Zoro can still achive this wincon, you argument don't disproves that he can't. Just saying "If he fails to grab Reid" is not a counter argument because he can succeed in doing do.Right. I would like to propose a counter arguement for that tho, the LS doesnt matter as much if Zoro fails to actually grab Reid since he cant tear him limb from limb like that
I never saw that, would be useful to see the comment covering that please.I think it was already covered that Reid can still cut through any spatial resistance that Zoro has
Zoro sheathes his aword, moves at blitzing speed unsheathing it and cutting his opponent only to re-sheathe it after completing the move.Can you explain this ability further? Something to note is that peak wilhelm got strong enough to blitz kurgan who had the exact same stats when faced with danger and Reid scales above that. All swordsmen get stronger when faced with stronger opponents and get even better when on the verge of death, pretty similar to how Zoro works in OP
Techinically, we agree that Reid could still cut Zoro due to his cutting time hax, not his spartial manipulation.I think it was already covered that Reid can still cut through any spatial resistance that Zoro has
1: Zoro has layered resistance to spatial manipulat
If he does I can't find it on his profile. Or it's not there. Reid can also cut through Regulus' temporal invincibility with ease, so time hax is also part of it.
We don't really talked about It, but Reid can also cut time stop, so he can still duraneg Zoro.I never saw that, would be useful to see the comment covering that please.
Understandable I would argue that this can be countered by Reid too, Ram as a normal teenager could dodge Garfiels attacks which if you highball is a 130x speed difference even if you lowball there would be a significant speed difference and Reid is even more talented than that and of course we also have the peak wilhelm featI never saw that, would be useful to see the comment covering that please.
Zoro sheathes his aword, moves at blitzing speed unsheathing it and cutting his opponent only to re-sheathe it after completing the move.
It's a blitzing technique that he has consistently blitzed opponent's on his level and even those with reaction/conbat speed FTE compared to Zoro.
The specific example for this key is when he was forced to fight underwater against a Fish-Man who on land was able to react to Zoro's techniques. It's stated and shown that underwater fishmen are faster while humans are slower yet Zoro's lai technique still blitzed him underwater.
It's not the same as him simply growing stronger/faster than his opponent after fighting them for a while.
Are you really using this feat again, even trought that's as agreed to be a outlier from a staff member, and is not even is up to the site rules?Understandable I would argue that this can be countered by Reid too, Ram as a normal teenager could dodge Garfiels attacks which if you highball is a 130x speed difference even if you lowball there would be a significant speed difference and Reid is even more talented than that and of course we also have the peak wilhelm feat
Don't use that dreaded numberUnderstandable I would argue that this can be countered by Reid too, Ram as a normal teenager could dodge Garfiels attacks which if you highball is a 130x speed difference even if you lowball there would be a significant speed difference and Reid is even more talented than that and of course we also have the peak wilhelm feat
Reid is most likely to counterattack rather than block, which would slash down Zoro's attack due to concept hax.I'll vote Zoro, his AP advantage is almost 500 times higher with his LS being thousands higher, any attack he uses here is going to one-shot.
Dodging for long will be difficult due to the amp Reid gets from facing a stronger opponent, Reid also resists precog but not telepathy. He has concept hax on top of space-time hax so dura neg should still work.His Kenbun + AP will allow him to dodge his attacks and Buso will let him resist his spatial cutting.
Reid can greatly increase his perception speed while fighting 1v1 to the degree that everything appears slow-motion and everything but the opponent vanishes from view.He also has the significant speed advantage when using Lai techniques as he could speed blitz characters with relative reaction speed to his regular techniques even while underwater where he is physically slower.
Tbh as far as I'm gathering he's only been shown to cut through the concept of sound and light, which Zoro doesn't use.Reid is most likely to counterattack rather than block, which would slash down Zoro's attack due to concept hax.
Kenbunshoku would tell Zoro exactly what he will do so it doesn't really matter if he blocks or counter attacks.Reid is most likely to counterattack rather than block, which would slash down Zoro's attack due to concept hax.
He doesn't resist the type of precognition from Kenbunshoku Haki.Dodging for long will be difficult due to the amp Reid gets from facing a stronger opponent, Reid also resists precog but not telepathy. He has concept hax on top of space-time hax so dura neg should still work.
Does it have any better feats or is that it? Because I don't see how slowing down his perception to the point things move in slow motion let's him deal with something with the blitz level of Zoro's lai techniques.Reid can greatly increase his perception speed while fighting 1v1 to the degree that everything appears slow-motion and everything but the opponent vanishes from view.
That's a misinterpretation of his concept hax- his swordsmanship manifests the very concept of what a "Sword" is.Tbh as far as I'm gathering he's only been shown to cut through the concept of sound and light, which Zoro doesn't use.
Killing the very concept (概念) of sound and light, Reid’s flash cleaved space.
He would affirm. Should it be the stipulated sword or the chopsticks, regardless, come what may in that flash’s path, it would be slashed down.
For that was, the very manifestation of the [concept] (概念) of the 『Sword』.
The 『Sword』 was that which was brought forth for the purpose of slashing objects down.
And sword moves, was the term denoting the techniques for slashing objects down with that sword.
Henceforth, the flash which slashed down all objects in the world, was the culmination, and the long-cherished original desire, of the 『Sword』 and of 『Sword Moves』.
Those slashed by it, would not forget the truth of having been slashed down for eternity.
Thus, the scar Julius Juukulius sustained beneath his left eye, shall not fade away for eternity.
That was the indemnification for having dodged the Sword Saint’s flash, from a distance near enough to graze past.
Does Zoro resist both types of Reid's precog? It might turn into a dodging match.He doesn't resist the type of precognition from Kenbunshoku Haki.
It's that, combined with the initial speed amp, combined with his ability to handle far faster fighters through skill.Does it have any better feats or is that it? Because I don't see how slowing down his perception to the point things move in slow motion let's him deal with something with the blitz level of Zoro's lai techniques.
That should be reflected on his profile then again Reid's profile seems to have been rushed when it was made.That's a misinterpretation of his concept hax- his swordsmanship manifests the very concept of what a "Sword" is.
A "Sword" is a weapon that slashes things down, and so the Heavenly Sword slashes down everything that exists for eternity:
Did this get accepted? I don't remember.That's a misinterpretation of his concept hax- his swordsmanship manifests the very concept of what a "Sword" is.
A "Sword" is a weapon that slashes things down, and so the Heavenly Sword slashes down everything that exists for eternity:
Reid's pofile has existed since before there was even official art for him.That should be reflected on his profile then again Reid's profile seems to have been rushed when it was made.
He doesn't "resist" any form of precognition.Does Zoro resist both types of Reid's precog? It might turn into a dodging match.
That's fair, when it comes to Zoro he has also shown the ability to handle opponent's that move FTE compared to him through sheer skill as well:It's that, combined with the initial speed amp, combined with his ability to handle far faster fighters through skill.
Zoro also showcases impressive predictive accuracy, being able to predict the movements and trajectory of his opponents, being able to predict FTE attacks and attacks that change trajectory.
Zoro can Dodge that with faster reaction speed and Haki Kenbun. If Reid try to attack the attack, Zoro gonna Dodge to the side, and use Onigiri.Reid is most likely to counterattack rather than block, which would slash down Zoro's attack due to concept hax.
In the page says:Dodging for long will be difficult due to the amp Reid gets from facing a stronger opponent,
So according with the page, Reid will only get faster If his on the verge of death. Problemy with this is Reid gonna die in the first blow, so he won't be able to get injured enough, so he can get faster enough to dodge Zoro.Accelerated Development (Battle, and Training; Other, Abilities, and Physical Statistics, More skilled than Old Wilhelm, who is stated to be inhuman in comparison to[13] Juulius, who mid-combat can make his attacks become more sure and accurate. Far more skilled than Garfiel, who while fighting Elsa, was able to counter her ability to foresee attacks she had seen before[14], even if done with overwhelming numbers. More skilled than Elsa, who in a couple months gained the ability to predict future attacks, hit vitals despite her senses being interfered with etc. When faced with a superior opponent, a sword master will get stronger[15], unleashing their most perfect attack. More skilled than Wilhelm who grows faster[16] and more nimble in combat, and on the verge of death, gets even faster than when he was in perfect health[17].
He doesn't resist the type of precognition from Kenbunshoku Haki.²,Reid also resists precog but not telepathy.
Yes.He has concept hax on top of space-time hax so dura neg should still work.
Not gonna help him much, since It just give him a faster time to think, is not gonna help much against a speed amp.Reid can greatly increase his perception speed while fighting 1v1 to the degree that everything appears slow-motion and everything but the opponent vanishes from view.
I don't remember now.Does Zoro resist both types of Reid's precog? It might turn into a dodging match.
What initial speed amp?It's that, combined with the initial speed amp, combined with his ability to handle far faster fighters through skill.
^^^You can counter precog via being able to predict/see more steps ahead than the other precog user, and you can counter analytical prediction and stuff similar via being unpredictable... Those are not resistances but counters