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The sword of the strawhat vs the heavenly sword

There's a reason why there's a skill in being able to copy other people's skills...

Like it feels like I'm debating common sense...
 
Zabazab said:
Obviously black holes can't have infinite mass, but I was certain a singularity is infinitely dense. If they're not then that doesn't make cutting one through skill any less impossible.
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No, that's a common misconception Ig, I think some theories put their density as infinite but others (the most recent ones afaik) place the singularity's density as nearly zero... the truth is that we have no idea, as the laws of physics as we understand don't apply to it.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Like there's no way you think just because Zoro is more skilled than brook, means now he can do everything brook can... Like it literally doesn't work that way unless the verse states and supports so
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Zoro and Brook have different fighting styles, so this doesn't apply at all.

I simplified it to "swordsman" because I don't think we need to overthink something so basic, but I was clearly talking about swordsmen with the similar sword styles.

Or well, to get the weapons factor out of play, do you really think someone with a Black Belt in any martial art can't scale to the skill feats from someone with a blue belt in the same MA? That's the kind of argument you're doing.
 
XDragnoir said:
do you really think someone with a Black Belt in any martial art can't scale to the skill feats from someone with a blue belt in the same MA?
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No, not the exact same way... The black belt is more skilled and wins easily, boom... But the blue belt has better movement... Will that automatically now mean that the black belt just got the same good movement as the blue belt? No. Does. Not. Work. That. Way

Everyone is different... Extremely different, Floyd being more skilled than Tank Davis for example doesn't mean floyd can fight the same way Davis can
 
XDragnoir said:
do you really think someone with a Black Belt in any martial art can't scale to the skill feats from someone with a blue belt in the same MA? That's the kind of argument you're doing.
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Well, probally not right? I think this only would apply if "guy 1 fight Blue Belt dude, and is comparable in skill. Then Black Belt fight guy 1, and is stated in the story they are comparable in skill" So they can scale like that. But considering skill involve a bunch of different aspects, and different people have different ways to fight. Like, even if they use the same fight styling and learning for the same masters, Goku and Krillin are complety different in skill and how they use it.
 
Omg... 🙉 someone spoke truth

"guy 1 fight Blue Belt dude, and is comparable in skill. Then Black Belt fight guy 1, and is stated in the story they are comparable in skill" So they can scale like that.
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Tho.. Non truth? 🤔 your other statement contradicts that or did you just realize/explain it after?
 
Respectfully, MonkeyOfLife, the topic has already been thoroughly explained, particularly by CelestialPegasus. If you still don't get it you need to simply accept the profile as it is and move on or leave the thread. It's purpose is not to debate the accuracy of a profile from a series you are not familiar with.
 
VortechsTG said:
Respectfully, MonkeyOfLife, the topic has already been thoroughly explained, particularly by CelestialPegasus. If you still don't get it you need to simply accept the profile as it is and move on or leave the thread. It's purpose is not to debate the accuracy of a profile from a series you are not familiar with.
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😑... I watched the first season 😴

And I do get it, I've already said I'm fine to not continue this discussion as it's derailing... But people are still bringing it up even the one who said to not derail about it...
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Tho.. Non truth? 🤔 your other statement contradicts that or did you just realize/explain it after?[/ISPOILER]
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Partly the latter, my comment is more like about cross scaling skill don't work (Like, this guy can do this, so this other guy who is more skilled can do the same), because of complicated skill is.
 
Alright, i gonna vote neutral for now until other arguments can be present.
But i kinda learning towards Reid.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
It is not... It's stated that his swordsmanship improved in that moment
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Thats what AD is...
MonkeyOfLife said:
It literally doesn't work that way... Different skill sets can be more effective against a type of opponent/opponents even if it's less skilled than someone else for example, sure it can be argued he can do the same but there's no proof he can...
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Sword Saints in rz verse have a superior combat skill in every category and its already been shown to be true for anything a lower character has done, Reid stands above everybody on this skill chain and thus has a vastly superior level of skill compared to others.
 
Reminder that Reid while being nerfed due to roy(to probably 8B)could deflect Satella's high 6C shadow hands with a normal sword he found
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Reminder that Reid while being nerfed due to roy(to probably 8B)could deflect Satella's high 6C shadow hands with a normal sword he founds
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You know Satella is 7-B right? She just gain a Possibly high 6-C, normally her just 7B. And Roy get stronger after absorbing Reid anyway. Só while he is nerfed, is not by that much.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Reminder that Reid while being nerfed due to roy(to probably 8B)could deflect Satella's high 6C shadow hands with a normal sword he found
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The shadows are also meant to nullify physical attacks. Tbh that and his quote about nothing being uncuttable could be grounds for straight dura neg since Julius has it for a similar quote, but I'm not knowledgable enough on the wiki to say if he should get it.

Ultimately Reid still cuts through time so he should still cut through Zoro like butter as he outskills.
 
In the first place this doesn't seem like a resistance to precognition but maybe I'm missing further context:
Resistance to Precognition (Despite Elsa being able to see his attack coming, Garfiel was able to counteract it[14] mid-battle, and Reid is more skilled than him)
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What form of precognition does he resist?
 
There's the analytical prediction of powerful swordsmen like Wilhelm, who can even predict and dodge layered-invisible danmaku that cannot be sensed, just by watching how a person looks, breathes, and the air hanging above them.

There is also the precog of Sword Saints, who can see, read, and feel paths of hostility raining down on them, such that if you are hostile to them, they will know what exactly you're going to do just based on that.

That specific example of resisting precognition on his profile is because despite Elsa's precognition, Garf could overcome it via combat skill.
 
Garfiel's precog resistance was accepted, so unless a CRT removing it is made it's acceptable.

It's not nearly as impressive as resisting the precog of powerful swordsmen or Sword Saints though, so it doesn't really need to be in the discussion at the moment.
 
Zabazab said:
That specific example of resisting precognition on his profile is because despite Elsa's precognition, Garf could overcome it via combat skill.
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Precognition, and Accelerated Development (Training and Battle; Abilities, After nearly dying against Reinhard, she trained[5] and after showing up again a couple months later gained the ability to predict future attacks, hit vitals despite her senses being interfered with etc. Every technique she sees once doesn't work twice[3], as she foresees it coming, and dodges/counters, even if she is attacked with overwhelming numbers of that same attack[2])
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Gin's right, this would fall under a skill feat for Garfiel rather than an actual resistance. This seems like a form of analytical prediction via combat skill so Zoro's Analytical Prediction (Breathe Reading) and Precognition (Kebunshoku Haki) won't be resisted.
 
Zabazab said:
That specific example of resisting precognition on his profile is because despite Elsa's precognition, Garf could overcome it via combat skill.
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Wait, it doesn't come from Wilhelm cutting Theresia's threads of battle?
Eminiteable said:
Gin's right, this would fall under a skill feat for Garfiel rather than an actual resistance. This seems like a form of analytical prediction via combat skill so Zoro's Analytical Prediction (Breathe Reading) and Precognition (Kebunshoku Haki) won't be resisted.
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Well, admittedly the Garfiel feat does seem sketchy but he absolutely does resist these due to Wilhelm doing so.
 
The justification can definitely be replaced by massively scaling above Peak Wilhelm resisting Theresia, a far more impressive feat anyway.
 
He resists this ability:
  • Sword Saint: An ability which maxes out her Swordsmanship, and allows her to able to draw Reid, the Dragon Sword. Also grants the user the ability to see floating white rays of battle which if they were to merely follow the rays and trace them with their sword, they would unquestionably kill their opponent. The ability grants the user battle instincts which are heightened to perfection, and they can send, and the read the trajectories of their opponents attacks.
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SatellaTheWoE said:
Sword Saints in rz verse have a superior combat skill in every category and its already been shown to be true for anything a lower character has done, Reid stands above everybody on this skill chain and thus has a vastly superior level of skill compared to others.
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Ok?
SatellaTheWoE said:
Thats what AD is...
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I meant that for him learning it, he got better swordsmanship... Proving it's a skill feat not just AD ☝️😃
 
My opinion that this is a skill/hax stomp has not changed. Reid just evaporates Zoro with his chopsticks.

Perhaps a better RZ swordsman would have been Cecilus, Reid is far too skilled and haxxed.
 
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