The sword of the strawhat vs the heavenly sword

[SatellaTheWoE]

The Last key.. zoro also could one shot and blitz tho only close range

This is only on his sword right?

Yeah the sword is indestructible however he doesnt have it in his 7B key, in this fight he is using chopsticks either a club or a sword, however he can transfer the damage out of his body and he heavily outskills

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Gentle Reminder that he can cut concepts, Space-time, and black holes via skill alone
He also scales above Ram who can fight againsf a 130x faster opponent with skill.

 

[Fezzih_007]

He also scales above Ram who can fight againsf a 130x faster opponent with skill.

That's probally a outlier, but i not gonna press on this Key.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yeah the sword is indestructible however he doesnt have it in his 7B key, in this fight he is using chopsticks either a club or a sword, however he can transfer the damage out of his body

and he heavily outskills

Nah

Gentle Reminder that he can cut concepts, Space-time, and black holes via skill alone

Does it go in depth how?

He also scales above Ram who can fight againsf a 130x faster opponent with skill.

Possible if you have some sort of precog (you basically kinda move 130x or something less distance than the one whos much faster (making small movements that's beneficial in combat)) and or fighting from a distance or something...

Tho otherwise it's impossible... Your whole body movement and reactions would get blitzed, if close ranged, mid range... Even high ranged

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Nah

There really isnt much to say no over, Zoro is gonna have a major skill issue in this fight

Does it go in depth how?

Does it need to? I feel like its pretty cut and dry

Possible if you have some sort of precog (you basically kinda move 130x or something less distance than the one whos much faster (making small movements that's beneficial in combat)) and or fighting from a distance or something...

She didnt fight from a distance, she got up close and personal with the gorgeous tiger, dodged all of his attacks and kicked him in the face all the while being a normal teenager against a supersonic garfiel

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Does it need to? I feel like its pretty cut and dry

Having skills to cut things doesn't automatically mean you will be skilled in every aspect in combat

She didnt fight from a distance, she got up close and personal with the gorgeous tiger, dodged all of his attacks and kicked him in the face all the while being a normal teenager against a supersonic garfiel

Either the tiger is dumb af, has some sort of disadvantage/weakness or it literally doesn't make sense

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Having skills to cut things doesn't automatically mean you will be skilled in every aspect in combat

I am not gonna do this again...just reid up on their profiles

Either the tiger is dumb af, has some sort of disadvantage/weakness or it literally doesn't make

Ram is an oni god with unparalleled talent and skills, i realize how bullshit this sounds but there are characters like ikki who defeated 9000x faster characters with skill alone

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ram is an oni god with unparalleled talent and skills, i realize how bullshit this sounds but there are characters like ikki who defeated 9000x faster characters with skill alone

Well if they can do that than it's literally only possible if they fight unfair or with precog

I am not gonna do this again...just reid up on their profiles

I've read this

Intelligence: Gifted (As the Sword Saint, Theresia's stands at the pinnacle of swordsmanship[23], and she possesses flawless battle instincts, regardless of whether it's a sacred sword, or demon sword, as long as it's connected to battle Theresia knows all their perfections and imperfections[1]. To even the skilled warriors of the Kingdom, all Theresia sees in their fighting styles are imperfections.[1] When the soldiers’ mistakes are pointed out to them by her one by one, they would eventually correct themselves, however, from Theresia’s perspective, although the way of fixing those faults may be correct, it was never enough. Has such skill that even without turning around she blocked Wilhelm's attack which came from behind her[23]. Thought Wilhelm's swordsmanship was lacking,[1] in his younger days, despite him already being the most skilled swordsman in the Kingdom. Wilhelm himself thought Theresia's swordsmanship could never be reached[5] in a lifetime or eternity) | Gifted (Those on the level of Wilhelm and Theresia are masters whose skill surpassed the realm of mere humans.[15] Garfiel freaked out, after Wilhelm showed him just a fragment of the summit of strength[24], he is aiming for. Theresia has supreme skill that she can destroy a person's leg without doing any unnecessary destruction,[11] only having the barest amount of blood on her sword. Diverted Wilhelm's attacks, making the swords look like they were dancing, a feat of genius[25])

While they are quite good skills feats there's nothing that will heavily outskill Zoro

The skill feat that's the most impressive is the cutting with the sword aspect

something Zoro pre timeskip similarly was able to do in the middle of combat via just remembering his master talking about it

Zoro showcases a phenomenal growth rate and develops at a very fast rate, at times even improves notably in the middle of battle, or against all odds such as when he learned how to cut Daz Bones who was previously immune to slashing and cutting based attacks while on the verge of death simply by remembering his teacher's words and putting them into practice. At this point Zoro unlocks the very zenith of Swordsmanship known as Mighty Blade (豪剣), a state of mind of mind that grants access to "The Breath of All Things." Zoro is capable of sensing the "Breath" of all things living and even the intimate. By analyzing the "Breath" of the target Zoro can read the trajectory of something's movements before it happens as well as it's location despite not being visible to him. Goken users such as Zoro are also capable of analyzing the opponent in order to determine the speed, power and angle of where he should cut at, allowing him to cut objects he otherwise couldn't with strength alone.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Man I'm getting ptsd talking about skills

That's all I'll say for now, bye

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Well if they can do that than it's literally only possible if they fight unfair or with precog

I've read this

While they are quite good skills feats there's nothing that will heavily outskill Zoro

Peak wilhelm in skills isnt even comparable to Reid, Wilhelm and theresia are somewhat comparable to Zoro but they are both heavily outclassed by Reid to the point where he can negative diff them with chopsticks

The skill feat that's the most impressive is the cutting with the sword aspect

something Zoro pre timeskip similarly was able to do in the middle of combat via just remembering his master talking about it

thats Accelerated Development

 

[XDragnoir]

Hmmmm

About the skill scaling part, I really doubt that's against the rules as long as the feat/ability isn't somehow a hax or supernatural.

Like, imagine we have A and B, A has a skill feat where he fights against 3 comparable/stronger characters at the same time, even if B is way more skilled we can't say he could do the same? That would make no sense, IMO.

Battle instincts, precision, analytical prediction, and others all fit in this "normal skill" that can be scaled without any problems, IMO.

 

[Zabazab]

Yeah specific techniques such as the Fa Jin or Ram's Clairvoyance, a specific skill that can be taught and learned, is not subject to skill scaling despite objectively being a skill, as it is not something that one would learn as their general "combat skill" improves in the verse.

Anyways I still think Reid skillstomps/haxstomps. Someone like Theresia has only "placed a single foot on the first step on the stairway to [Reid's level of skill]", even a liftetime of dedicated training could never let her come close to the same dimension as Reid.

Some things that Reid has cut while being extremely casual and wielding only chopsticks include: space, time, dimensions, a black hole, invisible connections between people that do not physically exist, and concepts themselves.

 

[LordGinSama]

Zoro for not being a twink.


Edit: Wrong guy. Zoro for not being a ginger.

 

[azontr]

Zoro for not being a twink.


Edit: Wrong guy. Zoro for not being a ginger.

FRA.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Zoro for not being a twink.


Edit: Wrong guy. Zoro for not being a ginger.

wrong again Reid is redheaded
also what wincons are you voting on him for?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Hmmmm

About the skill scaling part, I really doubt that's against the rules as long as the feat/ability isn't somehow a hax or supernatural.

Like, imagine we have A and B, A has a skill feat where he fights against 3 comparable/stronger characters at the same time, even if B is way more skilled we can't say he could do the same? That would make no sense, IMO.

Battle instincts, precision, analytical prediction, and others all fit in this "normal skill" that can be skilled without any problems, IMO.

My blog, which is a work in progress will go deep into this.

Essentially all warriors in Re Zero all get skilled using the same exact thing, mana. If a regular person goes and swings a sword, they aren't gonna be able to do what someone like Wilhelm does, warriors all unconsciously use mana to boost control over their bodies. So when Wilhelm swings a sword, his skills are multiplied, it's why Elsa can not show up for a couple months, and show up again later with precog.

Whether you fight hand to hand or use a sword, the pinnacle is a Sword Saint, who can't be reached ordinarily. A Sword Saint isn't just skilled with a sword, they have battle instincts, which make it so as long as it's connected to battle, they know all the flaws and imperfections about everyone's skill, and even when they point those out to others, from their perspective, people only minorly improve on them, nobody can ever reach a Sword Saint, no warrior.

You can see how it would be ridiculous to argue that Theresia, a Sword Saint, can't perform a skill feat, a lesser skilled person can.

We also see with Kurgan vs Wilhelm, that both are stated to be as skilled as each other, hence why their fight is a stalemate, we know Wilhelm gets faster in combat, more accurate, stronger etc etc, Kurgan himself never displays those abilities, but clearly for the fight to be a stalemate he has to have those abilities too.

Same skill then must mean, same abilities.

 

[Zabazab]

This is really well put together.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

thats Accelerated Development

It is not... It's stated that his swordsmanship improved in that moment

Hmmmm

About the skill scaling part, I really doubt that's against the rules as long as the feat/ability isn't somehow a hax or supernatural.

Like, imagine we have A and B, A has a skill feat where he fights against 3 comparable/stronger characters at the same time, even if B is way more skilled we can't say he could do the same? That would make no sense, IMO.

Battle instincts, precision, analytical prediction, and others all fit in this "normal skill" that can be skilled without any problems, IMO.

It literally doesn't work that way... Different skill sets can be more effective against a type of opponent/opponents even if it's less skilled than someone else for example, sure it can be argued he can do the same but there's no proof he can...

 

[LordGinSama]

This is really well put together.

I literally have zero clue what he even said.


All I got was "anime man with sword stronk."

 

[LordGinSama]

Also it's class T vs class G. Zoro can disarm him and can tear literal chunks out of his flesh just from the sheer LS gap.

 

[Zabazab]

Zoro can literally only dodge, trying to block or counter would result in bisection since Reid can slash through space and concepts. Reid on the other hand will kill Zoro with any counters since he can easily cut through the sword and Zoro. All clashes will result in Zoro dying.

 

[LordGinSama]

Zoro can literally only dodge, trying to block or counter would result in bisection since Reid can slash through space and concepts.

1: Zoro has layered resistance to spatial manipulation.


2: Thats just conceptual NPI, and conceptual destruction of sound and light. You can't assume Reid can manipulate any Type 2 concept. If it's only limited to Light and sound as the profile states then Zoro should be fine.

Reid on the other hand will kill Zoro with any counters since he can easily cut through the sword and Zoro. All clashes will result in Zoro dying.

Read above.

 

[Zabazab]

1: Zoro has layered resistance to spatial manipulation.

If he does I can't find it on his profile. Or it's not there. Reid can also cut through Regulus' temporal invincibility with ease, so time hax is also part of it.

 

[LordGinSama]

If he does I can't find it on his profile. Or it's not there.

Haki page.

Reid can also cut through Regulus' temporal invincibility with ease, so time hax is also part of it.

Elaborate on what "temporall invincibility." even entails.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Elaborate on what "temporall invincibility." even entails.

Regulus, not the costelation but this ass-Guy here have the power to stop the time of his body, making impossible to attack him.
While this power was active, Regulus is completely cut off from the world's flow of time, literally becoming a walking anomaly, so people can't harm him.

The author says the Reid could cut him anyway.

 

[LordGinSama]

Regulus, not the costelation but this ass-Guy here have the power to stop the time of his body, making impossible to attack him.
While this power was active, Regulus is completely cut off from the world's flow of time, literally becoming a walking anomaly, so people can't harm him.

The author says the Reid could cut him anyway.

That makes zero sense to me.

 

[Fezzih_007]

That makes zero sense to me.

In what way exactly? The power itself, or Reid able to cut him?

 

[LordGinSama]

In what way exactly? The power itself, or Reid able to cut him?

Literally both.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Literally both.

Why? I think i know the answer to the former, but why the latter?

 

[Zabazab]

Literally both.

Regulus' Authority cuts off his body from the flow of time. This makes Regulus an anomalous existence and a distortion in space-time.

Because he does not experience time, he also does not experience change. This makes interacting with Regulus even in mundane ways totally impossible, granting him a form of invincibility, as he ignores all physical laws of the universe.

Reid can easily behead Regulus with a chopstick because, in his own words:

“Hah? Don’t be makin’ me laugh, ya prick. Swingin’ at the best angle, with the best speed, with the best feelin’, in the best way―― Be chopsticks or whatever, there’s nothin’ it can’t cut.”

 

[Fezzih_007]

Regulus' Authority cuts off his body from the flow of time. This makes Regulus an anomalous existence and a distortion in space-time.

Because he does not experience time, he also does not experience change. This makes interacting with Regulus even in mundane ways totally impossible, granting him a form of invincibility, as he ignores all physical laws of the universe.

Reid can easily behead Regulus with a chopstick because, in his own words:

I don't think my response was detailed enough, so thanks.

But i not sure if repeating things and adding more stuff would convincing him that this power makes sense.

 

[Zabazab]

For Regulus it's easier to see it in action rather than have it explained imo, but that doesn't get into the fundamentals of how it functions.

For Reid, not really getting it is kind of expected I think, the response of "that doesn't make sense" was the intended response to the character when he was written. He does impossible things and then brushes it off as simple, and makes both the reader and characters think "that doesn't make sense wtf".

Reid is just such a skilled swordsman that he can perform physically impossible feats like slashing through a black hole- again with a chopstick- in spite of its obviously infinite density. Just through skill alone.

The moment immediately after Beatrice’s chant had achieved completion, what arose in the space was an enormous black hole.

That which had appeared all of a sudden in the air, manifested as an existence accompanied by primordial fear such as its unknown bounds and unknown depths, and tried to swallow Reid, who was right before it.

At a single glance, it could be understood that it was a great magic that affected space.

This was more of an issue of imaging it so, rather than having knowledge about it. Subaru had heard of Beatrice being a wasteful Spirit, but the actual power held by truly great magic could not even be in the same league of comparison.

Subaru had been unaware, that this was even possible. This was, a harvest.

That black hole swallowed Reid, and repelled away his Sword Saint off to somewhere unknown――

Reid: “The hell, it’s just air. Somethin’ like air’s everywhere, as if it’d stop me.”

With just a single swing of his chopsticks, Reid broke through that immense magic with extreme easiness.

A carefree attitude as if, quite literally, slashing through air―― no, for him, it truly was exactly that. He did not have the nature of taking roundabouts around something which he was capable of doing and then boasting about it.

He had slashed the air, so that was his explanation. That was all there was to it.

Subaru: “Slashing dimensions, as far as I know, gives me an image of being quite the top-rank ability, you know…”

Then, a blow from one of his chopsticks dropped down towards his head――

Reid: “Get pulverised, ya prick.”

With a vertical flash, his slash, accompanied by a shockwave, cut through the atmosphere, space, and even concepts.

His sword slash was so overwhelming that ways to even express it no longer came to their minds. It was so beautiful, that even though his weapon had been a chopstick, one could not help but be captivated by it, even if they were an amateur at swordplay―― It was the pinnacle of swordplay, the very culmination of it, that which was what was being manifested there.

A slash so beautiful, that one would probably die from just admiring it.

Julius leapt aside, dodging it, but the hem of his cloak did not make it in time and was swallowed by Reid’s blade, evaporating. A vertical groove was left carved into the Second Floor of the Pleiades Watchtower, which was made of unknown materials, as if it were all a jape.

 

[XDragnoir]

It literally doesn't work that way... Different skill sets can be more effective against a type of opponent/opponents even if it's less skilled than someone else for example, sure it can be argued he can do the same but there's no proof he can...

I mean, I get what you're trying to say, someone with a long weapon like a lance or a halberd would have an easier time fighting 3 opponents than someone with a normal sword (so as you said, different skill sets at play, even if the sword guy is > the lancer).

But in the case the skill set is the same, why wouldn't we be able to scale? If someone is stated to be the most skilled swordsman in the country, why wouldn't he be able to fight 3 opponents like a random swordsman did?

And like, things like battle instincts, weaknesses analysis and other "mental skill" feats aren't reliant on the opponent or weapon in use, so they can be scaled in any situation to the most skilled character.

 

[LordGinSama]

again with a chopstick- in spite of its obviously infinite density. Just through skill alone.

Black-holes don't have infinite mass nor density.

 

[Zabazab]

Obviously black holes can't have infinite mass, but I was certain a singularity is infinitely dense. If they're not then that doesn't make cutting one through skill any less impossible.

 

[LordGinSama]

Obviously black holes can't have infinite mass, but I was certain a singularity is infinitely dense. If they're not then that doesn't make cutting one through skill any less impossible.

That's literally impossible tho.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't think Beatrice black holes are real black holes, they're pseudo black holes.

When you say stuff like infinity, it starts raising eyebrows.

Reid is op, but let's not get crazy here.

 

[Zabazab]

We don't really get a description beyond "It's a black hole, who knows what could be in it!" before Reid swats it away, if it's not densely-packed mass then the only thing I can think of it being is a massless gravity-well, which I have no idea what cutting that would mean at that point. Gravity manip? Power null? Totally meaningless?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It affects space, and can send things elsewhere probably other dimensions.

There are no descriptions about sucking in even light, being dense at the center etc, hence pseudo black hole.

Reid cuts through it, and it says he cuts through dimensions, that's all there is to it

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

But in the case the skill set is the same, why wouldn't we be able to scale? If someone is stated to be the most skilled swordsman in the country, why wouldn't he be able to fight 3 opponents like a random swordsman did?

Fighting 3 opponents like what a random did /=/ fighting 3 opponents the same way the random did

Even two people using the exact same weapon can't be scaled to each other's skill set just because you're more skilled in combat

I mean, I get what you're trying to say, someone with a long weapon like a lance or a halberd would have an easier time fighting 3 opponents than someone with a normal sword (so as you said, different skill sets at play, even if the sword guy is > the lancer).

There's also how much force you use, the timing of your attacks, the angles that you use, faints... Literally too many things

Like there's no way you think just because Zoro is more skilled than brook, means now he can do everything brook can... Like it literally doesn't work that way unless the verse states and supports so

Also ain't no way gin liked that comment, I thought he understood how skills work