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Reid VS Kenshiro (Re:Zero VS Fist of the North Star) (7-7-2)
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Reid doesn’t start with that
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Reid FRA
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godly intuition, how many times do i need to repeat myself before you get it?
he will also get a blitz speed and AP amp via Awakened power due to this being a life or death situation
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Cecilus=Reinhard=<Reids intuitionReids godly intuition is nothing compared to reinhards
He doesn’t scale to them
(the greater than is a possiblity but his should be superior to them due to being the most skilled and intuition does seem to scale to skill as well)
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No. Just no
Reinhard>>>>Reid>>>Cecilus
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you see the tier 6 key for Cecilus? yeah thats the one that scales to Reinhard, Reid is almost certainly superior
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How is this so hard to understand? Why are you acting like Reid’s arms are so slow that he literally can not swing a sword in the time it takes for someone equal to him to run 20m? If you're gonna make an argument about this at least argue with his teleportation. It is right there.
Even if Kenshiro does teleport, though, Reid will predict it, and dodge. He's far better at dodging than anything Kenshiro has shown in this thread to be able to counter. And if you just disagree for some reason, prove it. Don't just say you disagree because he's very skilled. Prove he is harder to dodge than literally every grain of sand in a sandstorm. A completely, and utterly impossible feat.
And, yes, he does resist deconstruction. Wilhelm was swallowed by the white whale which turns its food into mana almost instantly and he survived and eventually broke out. And he is a mid-tier.
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Yes, he does. His intuition will instantly tell him he can't let Kenshiro touch him. Being able to tell when an attack is lethal is an extremely basic ability in ReZero and Reid’s intuition is able to predict far more absurd nonsense as previously mentioned.
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Mispoke. Ok, he can amp enough to speed blitz temporarily. He just needs to be outsped first for that to happen and I assume Kenshiro will just amp again.
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Wilhelm speed blitzed Kurgan though? he managed to counter 3 strikes that were equal to him in speed
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I never even said Reid's arms were slower wtf. Don't shove words into my mouth. All of that would be happening in a god damn instant because 20m is such a short distance with their speed. It's whoever hits the other first at this rate which is why I've stayed with incon, because it's either Ken is fast enough to pressure point Reid and kill him or paralyze him. Or Reid kills Ken on conceptual level, how is THAT so hard to understand?
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Yes, but that's because Kurgan managed to set up an attack that he couldn't block so he got an amp to block it. To be fair though, you are right that he did still appear to get a much larger amp than was needed considering he managed to slash Kurgan multiple times before he could react immediately after blocking the attacks. I misspoke. That's my bad.
But I'd assume Kenshiro's amps help with that. I still haven't heard a peep about how great they are though.
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Because literally ALL he has to do is swing his arm before he reaches him. I still don't get what you're not understand about that.
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I don't know? Maybe the fact they are moving so fast that the distance can literally be covered by Kenshiro in the same amount of time as Reid's swing??? I don't see what's not to understand.
I understood when it was at a 4km distance, but 20 meters????
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You are getting words put into your mouth for no reason
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They are moving so fast that Reid’s arm swings instantly. Way more instantly than it takes to run 20 meters. Because it is faster to swing an arm than to run that distance.
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to simplify it:
speed is equal
Ken: needs to run 20m and pp (which can be blocked or dodged)
Reid: needs to swing his arm once (unavoidable)
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Still voting Incon but just to say like at range Ken would be liable to fire off a ki beam that can pressure point from afar iirc
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Reids Cm would negate that
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I want to chage my vote to reid fra
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Votes changed and counted btw
On this note, no one has argued why fate hax literally wouldn't work beyond "it's just characters saying stuff" (when literally the guy who said "I'm destined to not die" was a hokuto successor himself, before Kenshiro. Which I feel wouldn't make Reid go for the instant AOE attack, but maybe that's just me.)
On this note, no one has argued why fate hax literally wouldn't work beyond "it's just characters saying stuff" (when literally the guy who said "I'm destined to not die" was a hokuto successor himself, before Kenshiro. Which I feel wouldn't make Reid go for the instant AOE attack, but maybe that's just me.)
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Kens fate hax needs proof of surviving CM 2,3
im changing my vote to Reid FRA
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the fate hax isn't defined, for eg, in Ubilk's case he is protected by the observers who manipulate his fate in such a way that he cannot be killed no matter what. So what are the feats? Walking normally in a war with weapons, projectiles and enemies going everywhere without even getting hit once.
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Ubik
...When you sacrifice, you must cut yourself from Humanity...Ubik Ubik is a member of the God Hand. Tier: At least High 7-C, possibly 7-B to 7-A Name: Ubik Origin: Berserk Gender: Male Age: 216+ years old Classification: God Hand, former human Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...
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Kenshiro is just simply destined to not die, I don't know what else to tell you? And a conceptual sword AOE attack from Reid would KILL Kenshiro. Let it be known that throughout Fist of the North Star, at WORST, Ken has only lost, not literally die.
Does this entirely mean that Kenshiro stomps Reid? No, It makes it far less likely for Reid to just AOE the entire area (Maybe he could win via other methods that don't involve killing Ken, but idk).
Let me go back to this for a second. They were literally talking about how Kenshiro (Kasumi Kenshiro because Fist of the North Blue Sky) was going to be in danger. But then it's literally stated that "those who experiences it's wrath are fated to die" "it" refers to Kasumi's (or Kenshiro in this case) "fist"
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he isnt on the wiki, he is a ReZero character. All of this is from arc 7 and 8 which is untranslatedUbik
...When you sacrifice, you must cut yourself from Humanity...Ubik Ubik is a member of the God Hand. Tier: At least High 7-C, possibly 7-B to 7-A Name: Ubik Origin: Berserk Gender: Male Age: 216+ years old Classification: God Hand, former human Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...
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i am sorry but without feats those are just words
ReZero has a lot of flowery statements as well but we dont take them literally (most of the time)
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bro what
i am voting for Reid but he literally explained how his fate hax applies here
Maybe it's just me, but I feel with Ken's fate hax, stuff like this would go hand and hand. (Toki, with his sheer skill and talent, bent Raoh's fate and manifested his harbinger of death. conversely, those who experience his wrath are fated to die in accordance to the fact that the Big Dipper (IE, Hokuto) “presides over the fate of all living beings” and “governs death”)
Never mind the fact that Hokuto Ryuken users also have fate stuff going on and Ken also beats Kaioh who uses Hokuto Ryuken who is more powerful than Raoh who also has Fate Manip, but it is similar to the Hokuto Shinken stuff tbf
and if you are saying Kens fate hax is flowery than make a CRT to remove that off his profile
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If it was just flowery language and "just words" there would literally be no manipulation of fate in the profile. There would be nothing.
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If I recall, Fist of the North Star is very literal a lot of the time, this being one of the cases. Not sure what else to say (Twellas talked more about it in a thread, but the scans came from Discord so they don't work, thus I can't show them here. But from the way it's worded, most of the scans from Discord should be on the Martial Arts page already.)
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Honestly, voting for Ken because of this, because it is fate that will end up determining how the fight will go. And if the skill is in the profile with these justifications of "Not dying" and "everyone who faces him is doomed to die", then the skill is supposed to be used that way. Does not agree? Make a crt.
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Destined to die/not die are incredibly vague without feats.
When will the opponent die? In the fight? Ten minutes after? In twenty years?
Being destined not to die doesn't mean they can't get crushed in a fight, barely surviving but being left unable to battle is still a loss.
This is why just statements aren't enough unless those statements are INCREDIBLY detailed, which the scans posted for FotNS are not.
When will the opponent die? In the fight? Ten minutes after? In twenty years?
Being destined not to die doesn't mean they can't get crushed in a fight, barely surviving but being left unable to battle is still a loss.
This is why just statements aren't enough unless those statements are INCREDIBLY detailed, which the scans posted for FotNS are not.
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Very simply, by fate he cannot die in the fight, and whoever faces his wrath is doomed to die.
It has destiny manipulation in the profile, and this is part of the justification, so it is to be used in the way it is accepted in the profile.
If you think it can't be used in battle, if it's too flowery or vague to confer any ability, make a crt.
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But nothing in the profile says it lets him win battles! It just about dooming people to die or ensuring he doesn't die, I'm not denying it's usefulness in battle, I'm saying it's being extrapolated to mean "he is fated to win", which is not what it says.
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If Reid can't kill Ken, and Reid is doomed to die facing Ken, how could Reid win? Whereas any hit from him would kill Ken because of the concept.
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It seems we hit grace at this point.
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