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May i see the insta kill from Saitama?
Cus when i say insta kill i mean Ikki will slice his atoms apart.
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The Sword God vs The Fist Of God
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Cus when i say insta kill i mean Ikki will slice his atoms apart.
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just read opm manga 166*
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Pretty sure Garou can interact with Ikki turning into vapor, he already has NPI for elemental intang in his first key.
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Btw can someone please get a opm helper here?
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I also remember when Saitama killed Garou yes. Brother, what are you even arguing.
What kind of "garou can fight someone 600x faster" bs ya wasting time with?
I don't see it tbh.
Though on a side note, whoever had the idea to organize Garou's P&A section that neatly did a 10/10 on that.
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Ah looks like they removed it at some point so I'll retract that statement.
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So what arguments are we sitting at?
Garou has GRB and portals to work around the intangibility. So he's not completely out of options.
But at the same time nothing stops trackless step, amps, and just normally beating the shit out of him cus Garou has nothing to play around danger senses even without Ikki getting to a point where he starts fate haxing.
Idk if this is a stomp but it's kinda on the border, y'all think this is fair?
Garou has GRB and portals to work around the intangibility. So he's not completely out of options.
But at the same time nothing stops trackless step, amps, and just normally beating the shit out of him cus Garou has nothing to play around danger senses even without Ikki getting to a point where he starts fate haxing.
Idk if this is a stomp but it's kinda on the border, y'all think this is fair?
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The ******* first thing garou did was to copy saitama so 600x faster literally doesnt matter here
oh btw he resist his nuke and gamma ray bursts so his durability negation doesnt even work here LOL(as in fission splits atoms and gamma ray bursts can split matter into sub-atomic to elementary particles so cutting connection isnt gonna work here)
what we have here is 6-c dude vs 4-a dude
yeah good luck(use whatever the **** fate/casuality u have) ikki u will need that
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The cosmic radiation most likely is going to contaminate Ikki in his vapor form which might feedback to his normal juman form, Ikki's self control of his body is clearly cellular only, and to deal with radiation on this level you need at least molecular defenses.
Garou can also just, turn him the vapor into plasma from the amount of heat his attacks generate, something that ikki cant reform from.
Garou can also just, turn him the vapor into plasma from the amount of heat his attacks generate, something that ikki cant reform from.
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He copied saitamas base speed, we're talking amps here. The instant amps are activated garou can't even remotely start to process a thought before he dies let alone act.
He doesn't resist shit, what he does is cause a nuclear fission to some random atom in the air. He doesn't split his own atoms. Ikki can still cut him in half with a sword so sharp it cuts the bond between atoms therefore ignoring durability.
You missed the part of "he reconstructed his cells" as in he remade them, what he did is atomic level or at the bare minimum molecular. Cus that's what you would need to turn 1 material "meat, blood, whatever" into another "water/vapor".
So reconstructing sth is always at a smaller level, cus you're rebuilding sth (obviously manipulating smaller particles).
That was just a bit of trivia, it doesn't matter in this fight, because cellular is enough on its own, the reason radiation kills people is radiation causing cancer, the reason for that is cus it specifically messes with the cells.
TLDR: cellular level shit counters radiation and ikki's shit is atomic level.
Being turned into plasma is beyond atomic and I can't argue ikki can deal with that, however garou cannot do that. To pull that off he'd need to somehow get ikki at point blank of the blast and even then the heat isn't always enough to turn things into plasma cus when though its hot it doesn't last very long,especially on someone with as much heat resistance as ikki. Now you could say the GRB is a different situation sure but it has too long of a start up, but if it lands it should be a win condition yes.
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i really liked how u avoid he resisting his ******* GRB which can split atom into sub-atomic particles still believing his dura neg gonna work?
i really love you mate espically your delusions
Atomic ikki ????? Brooo what the ****? its transmutation just that
yeah im really trying hard to not tell a mod to nuke this BS
and also btw you know what a alot of radiation does? it splits atoms lol
Absorption of gamma rays by nuclei can cause them to eject neutrons or alpha particles or it can even split a nucleus like a bursting bubble in what is called photodisintegration.
garou doesnt even need his GBR for this as he passively emits radiation
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He never resisted GRB, he just caused it, he has energy manipulation.
Yes atomic ikki, you can call a mod if you want, it's already on ikki's profile. Idk what a mod would do, but go ahead.
Radiation on very very high levels would do that, a level garou's passive radiation obviously didn't reach otherwise ppl wouldn't just fall over and die. They'd go through a lot more than that, and not just the people, the surroundings too, seeing as that's not the case we can say it's definitely not that potent.
Yes atomic ikki, you can call a mod if you want, it's already on ikki's profile. Idk what a mod would do, but go ahead.
Radiation on very very high levels would do that, a level garou's passive radiation obviously didn't reach otherwise ppl wouldn't just fall over and die. They'd go through a lot more than that, and not just the people, the surroundings too, seeing as that's not the case we can say it's definitely not that potent.
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UMMMMM ?
DID U READ THE MANGA
THATS LITERALLY WHAT THE **** HAPPEN
ok i'm done do what the **** u do
and live in your delusions
have a nice day
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Usually you'd need to give a scan, I may have not read the manga so you'd need to show me it happened.
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Look at manga i dont care anymore i asked someone who has better knowledge on opm than me either he comes or just use your SKILL GG argument and close the thread
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The description of its ability refers to it as cellular tho, and I will go by what is described as such.
Sublimination (Going from solid to gaseous) is not atomic in nature, is molecular, tho from the description he only needs to rearrange all his cells to a even liquid/gaseous substance.
A when I said at least molecular defenses, I meant reinforcing his molecular bonds to a large degree or increasing the density of his body has to a ridiculous extent considering Garou's radiation, none of which he can do.
Yes, radiation can cause cellular damage, you know why?
Because high frequency radiation ionizes the atoms of DNA (Which is a macromolecule), ******* up your very genetic code that makes up & reproduces all your cells, destroying and mutating it.
Plasma is not beyond atomic tho, ionization is also a molecular phase transition, and it can be easily forced to gases.
And, Garou is tier 4, he doesn't need to hit ikki at point black range, the latter would still turn into plasma even at the outskirts of his nuclear blast because of the amount of energy from which is being originated.
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Garou vs Edelweiss when?
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Garou adapts/copies Ikki's Desperado physiology and proceeds to fate hax him into oblivion.
" and Ikki is ******* eviscerated.
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Garou twerks and Ikki gets vaporized
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Garou does gangnam style and Ikki instantly loses
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Okay I'm here. What's up?
So, ahem... Garou uses GRB and atomizes Ikki with the radiation while simultaneously blinding him permanently and dragging him into a black hole at the same time.
Seems like a pretty blatant stomp to me.
Also...
Portal creation completely negs Ikki. "Danger Sense" my ******* ass. Garou spams the shit out of it and it's AoE. Where's your proof that he can predict thought-based spatial portal placement? Not to mention he just spams portals in general. One portal to Ikki and it's over.
Hell, literally the moment he uses Nuclear Fission (Which is his starting move) the fight ends.
So, ahem... Garou uses GRB and atomizes Ikki with the radiation while simultaneously blinding him permanently and dragging him into a black hole at the same time.
Seems like a pretty blatant stomp to me.
Also...
Portal creation completely negs Ikki. "Danger Sense" my ******* ass. Garou spams the shit out of it and it's AoE. Where's your proof that he can predict thought-based spatial portal placement? Not to mention he just spams portals in general. One portal to Ikki and it's over.
Hell, literally the moment he uses Nuclear Fission (Which is his starting move) the fight ends.
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ikki have some fate hax right ? garou can't copy that thing,so how does that fate hax work
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it kills ppl which isn't really that potent since the timeframe is not identified, we only know that ones who face a desperado would be fated to die, eventually.
It has other active applications (that are actually decent), but aren't going to work as ikki is done for the moment the fight starts.
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Even ignoring some of the sussy Garou claims, he still neg diffs, like actually doesn't even have to try. Would sooner see a crippled toddler beat Mike Tyson ngl.
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My man "reconstruct" his cells, not "rearrange". And ikki already has atomic magic control by making water non conductive.
Indeed, but it's the cell damage that causes the death. If you can fix your cells you're still good.
I mean to some extent it kind of is, ionization by itself affects electrons which are what make up atoms so it technically is pretty close to it. Then again remembering that ikki manipulates ions too it may not even work.
Iirc there's no reason to believe his nukes are tier 4, it even mechanically works same as a nuke, it doesn't even take garou's strength as a factor as it just causes the same normal reaction as a nuclear explosion. Why would it be more potent let alone tier 4.
Timeframe is "til you decide to fight him".
Somehow he will pull off that long ass startup before dying?
You think portal placements are new shit to ikki? He has dealt with cuts in space before. With perfect vision too. And his danger sense are to the point where he starts seeing visions of his own death at some point.
And obviously there's still the amps to deal with. 1 danger sense and his head goes flying, what's he got against that?
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Not sure about everything else but on this, Garou was able to amp himself and copy someone who far surpasses Ikki in speed and power, the last thing Garou has to worry about is getting blitzed for this fight
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He cannot pull that off, as I said, once the amps happen, Garou dies before he can process any sort of thought. He cannot act due to the speed difference.
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Now ikki has atomic magic control tf? When did that get there?
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Garou surpasses them in less then a second.
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Again, Garou was able to copy someone in speed much faster than Ikki. Not to mention, what the hell is the speed of this verse? There are no calcs at all I can find for any of this. The previous Garou Key, utilizing his power mimicry was able to react to and then copy Saitama mid serious punch. Speedblitzing by Ikki should not be a problem for him
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Yea i can't find any speed calcs in the verse page
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It has literally always been there.
From Shizuku's profile:
can create ultra-pure water that doesn't conduct electricity
(which is actually done through purifying already existing water, so removing impurities at the atomic level).
And ikki surpasses Shizuku in magic control.
From Shizuku's profile:
can create ultra-pure water that doesn't conduct electricity
(which is actually done through purifying already existing water, so removing impurities at the atomic level).
And ikki surpasses Shizuku in magic control.
Which is already too long.
I mean if you can find me a scene of Saitama blitzing and insta killing garou before garou can react, yes pls go for it. If you can't then we have an issue cus that is false equivalency especially since you're arguing Garou can react to someone 600 times faster. Which by site rules is completely inconceivable.
They all actually scale from an SoL feat of dodging light beams. The amps are just mad consistent.
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No, my point is that Garou was able to react and copy someone much faster than him with his Power Mimicry after they had already begun throwing their attack. Saitama was over 1000x faster than Garou's base speed at that point, yet Garou copied and matched him in speed in order to clash attacks. Ikki's speed boost is much slower than that gap, so Garou being able to match his speed isn't inconceivable. Hence his Varies in speed with Power Mimicry
I'm looking for any calc, because the verse currently got none. Since if his AMP was something that put him above the gap Garou was able to close then I'd accept Ikki blitzing him. But as it stands there is nothing.
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The fact that he reacted would mean he scales in the first place, point is, in speed equal you're not reacting to something 600 times faster. Drop the argument.
Ikki in ittou rasetsu goes to 18000c. It all scales from a "likely SoL" feat. There's no calc cus it wasn't numbers based, it was "dodged a very thick light beam after it was shot", we can't say for sure which one would need to move more, the light beam to reach Stella, or Stella to get out of the light beam's range, so it can be Rel+ up to FTL, so we default to SOL. Although I may need to fix that later cus I actually have an idea on how to properly judge it this time, and it would make ikki, a bit slower, but still faster than garou, so don't worry even if i do that, things won't change here.
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Please prove that Ikki has the capability to heal himself after having all of his molecules split apart. He will literally be deconstructed by anything Garou does.
By this, I mean show me a time Ikki was actually reduced to that point, and could still heal himself back from it.
By this, I mean show me a time Ikki was actually reduced to that point, and could still heal himself back from it.
