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The Rain Guardian vs The Pirate Hunter (Takeshi Yamamoto vs Roronoa Zoro)
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What you mean?
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He has versatility, flight, range and is a combat genius
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Well he can fly and spam attacks... Even tho Zoro has observation haki and ranged slashes
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First of all, Zoro is more skilled than Yamato. I think you are misremembering Zoro's past. Zoro didn't came to the Dojo for training, his true objective was to challenge the Dojo which resulted in him being defeated by Kuina, who was stated to be second strongest in the dojo, especially stronger and more skilled than most Adults. Upon hearing Kuina's death, Zoro trained more diligently to fulfill his promise with kuina, and mainly focused on; stamina, strength and speed.
Regarding his "proper sword teacher", you never once saw the supposedly teacher helping Zoro out, the only thing he did was giving him a valuable lesson on the breath of all things - the pinnacle of swordsmanship, Zoro at that particular point didn't understood what he meant by "breath of all things". Basically, Zoro the whole time was a self-taught genius, he really never had anyone teach him anything besides the "breath of all things" in fact he developed his own style - the three swords style something that only Zoro came up with and which he became notoriously known for, either Roronoa Zoro with the three swords or pirates hunter Roronoa Zoro.
His skills as swordsman was so well-known to the point that; Crocodile wanted to hire him by sending two people from the baroque works a shichibukai from the grandline by the way, Alvida asked her subordinates if the boy was the notorious pirates hunter zoro, Buggy asked Zoro if he was after his bounty (Buggy wouldn't ask this question if he didn't know about Zoro's skills), plenty other pirates and bounty hunters praised Zoro's skills even outside of the east blue, you cannot deny that fact. Especially, we are using Zoro after Alabasta arc who has reached the pinnacle of swordsmanship - the breath of all things, before you say how does "cutting through steel make you skilled"; Zoro learnt to convey his will to his blade, or to control his weapon; he can make it cut when he wants, and have it not cut even when he swings it at something as fragile as a leaf or paper, the ability to not cut is the power to cut steel aka the power to protect those you wish to protect with your blade.
Nobody disrespected Yamamoto, but you seems to be a little disrespectful towards Zoro.
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Zoro FRA
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If it wasn't clear enough, i vote for Zoro.
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I vote zoro too btw.
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Part of this is a fair argument, not the east blue stuff, but with regards to Zoro's backstory and having an actual teacher (Although he still was taught lessens even back then and later on trained by Mihawk). It doesn't take away from my original point, which was that Yamamoto has a lot of Zoro's same skill feats with nowhere near the amount of training or experience.
The problem I have is saying "Zoro is far more skilled than Yamamoto" If you believe Zoro's more skilled, all the power to you, but you have to back that up with something beyond him being able to cut through steel or instantly copy sword techniques or even styles.
Most of Monkey's counter argument was really just "Zoro can do that too." and just asserting things are true.
Like how he said Zoro's three sword style swordsmanship pre-timeskip is more impressive than copying hundreds of sword styles after seeing them once and implementing them into your own sword style to create the ultimate sword art.
Anyway, If Zoro really one-shots 420 megatons this is pretty much an AP stomp for him, as my inconclusive relied on them being pretty equal physically without Asura. You'd get a more fair fight from just using Yamamoto's High 7-A version. Since the difference there would actually be quite a bit smaller than here.
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I'd have to say Zoro wins, but high-diff. The issue is that while Yamamoto could hold him off with his superior arsenal of abilities (Flying and slowing opponents down is very good defensively), I don't think he could put Zoro down. Zoro's AP and Durability advantage is just too much, and Zoro has demonstrated endurance far higher than what Yamamoto has. If it were High 7-A Yamamoto, then I think it would be a stomp in his favor.
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An ongoing revision for the whole verse will put this version of Zoro at baseline 6-C in base so maybe that match could be made in the future.
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Cut through steel? You do know that it has nothing to do with power but only skill and your will to be able to cut anything and nothing.
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You are misunderstanding the "cut through steel part" during his fight with Mr.1, Zoro already put everything he had into that Santoryu attack and Mr.1 made it crystal clear that strength mattered little. Upon remembering Kuina's father's words he learnt the breath of all things, Zoro while gravely injured and was barely conscious used Shishi sonson (he defeated Mr.1, not with strength but with Skills) that's the power of those who have reached the pinnacle of swordsmanship, that has literally nothing to do with strength.
There is more evidence of Zoro being more skilled than Yamamoto. Normally, swordsmen are weak without their swords. However, in Zoro's case, he even created an entirely new style - the no sword style. Zoro created a Tornado with bare hands, why it is special you may ask? because in One piece it's not something that every swordsman can do, especially the fact that by One piece standards Zoro is a "Human" who shouldn't be capable of creating a tornado with bare hands except he ate from a devil fruit, and the technique he used with his bare hands is basically Tatsumaki (龍巻き Tatsu Maki?, literally meaning "Dragon Twister") without his infamous three swords.
Furthermore, Zoro defeated Kaku. Zoro couldn't overpower Kaku, nor could outspeed him, the fight in a nutshell was who was more skilled. And in the end, Zoro defeated (i'm aware that he only defeated Kaku via Asura) but it doesn't necessarily mean that Zoro didn't keep up with him throughout the fight, considering the fact that Kaku was faster and stronger in his Hybrid form yet Zoro gave him some trouble.
Zoro defeated Zombie Ryuma with Brook shadow. Even in this fight, you cannot claim that Zoro defeated him with strength or speed. Zoro was on equal footing with zombie Ryuma, without using Asura. At the end of the fight, a legendary samurai of Wano kuni acknowledged Zoro's skills, and passed his sword Shusui to him. A sword that can only be mastered by a master swordsman.
Copying hundreds of sword styles after seeing them once is good and all, but that's something Zoro theoretically can do as well. I personally think, there's more to skills than just copying other people's fighting styles, such as the listed reasons above for example.
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I almost forgot Mihawk's monke army that copied Zoro's fighting styles. Mihawk was extremely confident that each of the Monke could defeat a skilled swordsman such as Zoro, when Zoro told him he defeated all of them (despite the fact they used his fighting style against him and he was still heavily injured from Luffy's pain and pacifista's laser beam), Mihawk for the second time on-screen was surprised at something, we are talking about the same guy who showed big disinterest in the events of marineford, the world strongest swordsman didn't expected that Zoro in his current state could beat at least one of them.
Sorry, but Zoro dealt with 20+ "Animals" who perfectly imitated his three-swords-style and most of his techniques after seeing them once, while Zoro was heavily injured.
Sorry, but Zoro dealt with 20+ "Animals" who perfectly imitated his three-swords-style and most of his techniques after seeing them once, while Zoro was heavily injured.
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the Monkey solos Takeshi Yamamoto with only skill
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Bump
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Wouldn't really matter since Zoro has dura neg
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Yes cause he wins for the most part because of his AP gap. I believe Yamamoto still has defensive techniques to protect him or at the very least mitigate damage from Zoro, hence why I want to know if I should use High 7-A Yamamoto, or just restrict Zoro's AP buffs.
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