The Problem with Storm/Clouds Calculations

[Mr. Bambu]

Or rather, why not just use whatever formula you want?

Deal.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

So is the method that Ugarik proposed in OP fine to use? If so, does that mean that only a method of determining the radius changes?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, in that case somebody experienced needs to update the relevant calculation pages, preferably DontTalkDT, if he is fine with it.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So wait, what calc do we use to calculate distance, and is distance the only part of calculations that change

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

So wait, what calc do we use to calculate distance, and is distance the only part of calculations that change

I wanna know about this as well

 

[Hellbeast1]

Also while I'm here I'd like to point out this affects Soul Calibur as well (I smell Tier 6) as well as EMH and the MCU

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Who in mcu? Pretty sure the witches calc did not use horizon.


Regardless, I don't think lifting off verses should be done here.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Thor both in his Pre and Post Sakaar forms plus didn't the Witches use that?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, Thor's assumes the size of Manhattan and Asgard, while the witches asumes London.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Ah I see (never mind)

 

[BlackeJan]

Lol it seems when we figure out something relatively easy then something else pops up and then we gotta try to figure that out

 

[Ugarik]

I wanna know about this as well

You can use the same calc as before. However you also need to find distance to the horizon from clouds altitude and add that value to distance to he horizon for your eye altitude. Yes, that's the only thing that changes

 

[BlackeJan]

So would that mean we r done?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

How do we calculate Cloud altitude again

 

[Andytrenom]

@Demon Cloud altitude isn't really calculated it's something you have assume based on the type of cloud.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Alright, then what would be a Storm Clouds height

 

[BlackeJan]

Ok so are we done and that the new standard has been applied?

 

[Antvasima]

The calc group members still have to update the Standard Storm calculations and Cloud Calculations pages.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Bump

 

[Ugarik]

I think everything has been concluded. We just need to update Standard Storm calculations and Cloud Calculations pages

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but some experienced calc group member or former calc group member has to handle it.

 

[Kaltias]

The big thing left to do is finding the cloud height for the various types of cloud

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Are the rest of you willing to help out with this?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, sure, but i don't know exactly where i could find those informations. I found that nimbostratus clouds range from 0 to 2 km of altitude (of the cloud base) so there is that

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[AguilaR101]

The most basic cloud used for large storms is the Cumulonimbus which according to the page can range anywhere between 200m and 4000m above the ground, needless to say that there needs to be an agreement as to which value should be assumed given how much it affects the calculated volume of the cloud.

 

[Kaltias]

The standard assumption is actually nimbostratus (Or at least it should be).

Cumulonimbus clouds are used for thunderstorms (Which are still a significant portion of the storm feats, so yeah we need to agree on that)

 

[Ugarik]

I think we should always assume lowest clouds altitude as a low-ball unless height of the observer is higher like here

 

[Kaltias]

I agree, for cases where we have a set altitude.

If it's "ranges between these two values", i'd use the average

 

[Ugarik]

Shouldn't we use lowball value insted of the average especially if those values varie that much?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, i'd use the average exactly because it varies.

Calcs aren't supposed to be as low as possible, they are supposed to be reasonable approximations.

Cumulonimbus clouds can reach 2 km of height, but we still use 8 km because it's the typical thickness.

I wouldn't say that assuming that every nimbostratus is 0 m above the ground is a reasonable approximation

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Not a calc group member, but I agree with Kaltias about using the average value instead of the lowest one.

 

[Hellbeast1]

For what it's worth I also concur

 

[Andytrenom]

Average seems the best.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Both are acceptable, but strictly speaking, it is likely more accurate to use average. Even if the wiki is in the mindset of lowball is the best, and that would be safest, that does not make it the best.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Been pretty busy lately. How are things going?

Have a few people checked the math behind the formula we are planning to use? (Has it been decided which formula to settle on?)


Regarding cloud height assumptions: I would use the most common or the lowest reasonable assumption. Generally we should extent the cloud thickness table with the entire ranges of values.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I just found this thread. Has any decision been made? If so, could someone summarize it?

 

[Kaltias]

@DT

I think that your formula looks fine, although the one using Pythagoras' teorem also seems to work when the height used isn't too extreme (Kinda like regular KE vs relativistic KE at low speeds).

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Nvm I just read it.

Welp, guess I'm never gonna be able to do another storm calc again...

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh great more AGK and All Might storm revisions