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The most controversial debate continues... Son Goku vs Superman (7-20-16).

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You forget that Goku literally gets oneshot since he is starting in base
And also gets one shot'd at SSJ and SSJ2 forms

Goku can sense and transform faster than Superman can close the gap and no, he doesn't get one shotted in either of those forms IIRC.

And that's forgetting Superman doesn't go all out from the start either.

Yes he does, the AP diffrence is that high

Any hit at 650 kilofoes would break him apart
 
DTG499 said:
@EmporerRorepme

No decent/smart fighter would tank an attack that they have never dealt with before, period. Goku would be able to tell that something is up with his HV from the insane heat it gives off. He has never dealt with anything close to that level of heat, he would not know if he would be able to take it or not and he is not going to test it by tanking it or blocking it. Goku has never tanked anything that he didn't know for sure want going to damage him. There are no scans you can show me of him testing a new type of attack by tanking or blocking it and it leading to lethal damage.
Thought I'd bring this back up
 
This is the same dude that gradually used all his forms against Jiren, despite Jiren being above them all by a sizable amount.
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
You forget that Goku literally gets oneshot since he is starting in base
And also gets one shot'd at SSJ and SSJ2 forms
Goku can sense and transform faster than Superman can close the gap and no, he doesn't get one shotted in either of those forms IIRC.
And that's forgetting Superman doesn't go all out from the start either.

Yes he does, the AP diffrence is that high
Any hit at 650 kilofoes would break him apart

No, he doesn't, the AP gap isn't that big once Goku transform and Goku arguably has the AP advantage too then.

And once again, Superman does the same thing Goku does with testing the waters.
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Base Goku is literally around 1-6 kilofoes....
The calc i saw on the previous thread put him above that and then you stack the SSJ2 multipliers and it give a significant AP advantage to Goku, especialy in SSJ3.
 
CBslayeR said:
What are the win conditions for both? I'm new to the thread lol
Superman is hitting with with heat vision i guesse.

Goku is hitting with a big attack at SSJ2 or 3 i guesse.

Since we are not on the previous thread anymore i'm not really sure what the argument was anymore.
 
Do you think supes would go for the one shot kill via HV right off the bat?

He legit won't even bloodlusted
 
DTG499 said:
NormalPerson87 said:
Oh yeah, BTW, Supes FRA.
Do you think supes would go for the one shot kill via HV right off the bat?
I mean, does Supes goes for HV first thing in character? If so, then yes, it's a easy stomp. If not, then Goku will still probably get killed due to Supes having a convincing AP advantage at the start. Could be wrong, though.
 
NormalPerson87 said:
DTG499 said:
NormalPerson87 said:
Oh yeah, BTW, Supes FRA.
Do you think supes would go for the one shot kill via HV right off the bat?
I mean, does Supes goes for HV first thing in character? If so, then yes, it's a easy stomp. If not, then Goku will still probably get killed due to Supes having a convincing AP advantage at the start. Could be wrong, though.
No, he mostly doesn't but even if he did, Goku can easily dodge, they start at 4 kilometer away from each other, more than enough for Goku to sense Superman and transform to the appropriate form even if we ignore that Superman tend to test the water like Goku instead of going full power from the start.
 
Yes he would if Supes AP would one shot him otherwise. Goku can sense Supes ki and thus his power.

Also by scaling Goku only need SSJ2 to reach Supes AP or surpass it
 
He would go ss1, it's in character to test the waters with it. That would make his AP relative to supes.
 
Dragomer said:
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Gilad Hyperstar said:
Goku transforms before Supes reaching him since speed is equalized
He wont go straight up to SSJ3
And Superman won't straight up use his full power either.
"Weaknesses: Goku seeks strong opponents and will therefore allow his opponents to reach their full power for the sake of a good fight. He often drops his guard and leaves openings for his opponents whenever he gets distracted, lowering his durability."

This what I saw from his profile.
 
NormalPerson87 said:
Dragomer said:
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Gilad Hyperstar said:
Goku transforms before Supes reaching him since speed is equalized
He wont go straight up to SSJ3
And Superman won't straight up use his full power either.
"Weaknesses: Goku seeks strong opponents and will therefore allow his opponents to reach their full power for the sake of a good fight. He often drops his guard and leaves openings for his opponents whenever he gets distracted, lowering his durability."
This what I saw from his profile.
If goku had an AP advantage that argument would be moot since he still uses a good deal of his power when fighting opponents.

Thing is that unless he goes SSJ3 at the bat one hit from Supes blasts him into a million pieces
 
for the guys saying Supes has an AP advantage, he doesn't. SSJ Goku is already on or superior to his level.

Any vote I didn't count for Supes?
 
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