The Fate of the World (Neo Metal Sonic vs Yhwach) [13-8-1]

[TauanVictor]

if you can absorb an inorganic black mass that's incorporeal then you can absorb machines.

I'm favor of putting this text as an example in the NLF thread.

 

[Hellscream]

you don't seem to agree with verse equalization, so i'd like to see an instance of metal acquiring "biodata" as in biology
Biology is a branch of science that deals with living organisms and their vital processes. Biology encompasses diverse fields, including botany, conservation, ecology, evolution, genetics, marine biology, medicine, microbiology, molecular biology, physiology, and zoology.

so please provide me proof of him copying a soul

 

[omegabronic]

you don't seem to agree with verse equalization, so i'd like to see an instance of metal acquiring "biodata" as in biology
Biology is a branch of science that deals with living organisms and their vital processes. Biology encompasses diverse fields, including botany, conservation, ecology, evolution, genetics, marine biology, medicine, microbiology, molecular biology, physiology, and zoology.

so please provide me proof of him copying a soul

why would he need to?

 

[Hellscream]

why would he need to?

because like you guy said, if you don't have any proof of him being able to copy anything besides biological data, then he's not copying yhwach in any way.

 

[omegabronic]

because like you guy said, if you don't have any proof of him being able to copy anything besides biological data, then he's not copying yhwach in any way.

yes he is? yhwach is a biological being, plus the copy doesn't depend on biological aspects, he could copy omega who is an non biological being after all

 

[Hellscream]

yes he is? yhwach is a biological being

is he?
he's a soul though?
so can you provide me with proof of him copying a soul?

 

[Hellscream]

biological manipulation does not give you soul manipulation just pointing that out

 

[omegabronic]

is he?
he's a soul though?
so can you provide me with proof of him copying a soul?

i saw the "soul physiology" page and there is nothing there about him being an inorganic being or not being biological

 

[Hellscream]

i saw the "soul physiology" page and there is nothing there about him being an inorganic being or not being biological

Within Bleach most of the major (and even minor) characters are Souls, constructed of Reishi particles and given inherent characteristics that're gained through being a soul in the series, this blog will index all the abilities gained through these characteristics.

you were saying?

 

[omegabronic]

biological manipulation does not give you soul manipulation just pointing that out

so?

 

[Hellscream]

So now sonic can't even copy yhwach at all, can sonic even interact with souls?

 

[omegabronic]

Within Bleach most of the major (and even minor) characters are Souls, constructed of Reishi particles and given inherent characteristics that're gained through being a soul in the series, this blog will index all the abilities gained through these characteristics.

you were saying?

the same thing i said earlier, nowhere in the page does it say anything about them being inorganic beings, inorganic physiology is not a power listed there after all

 

[omegabronic]

So now sonic can't even copy yhwach at all

yes he can

can sonic even interact with souls?

yes, he can hit ghosts

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Hellscream been missing a lot this thread but he is right that Metal needs feats of copying a soul. He also needs a soul to use the abilities.

 

[Hellscream]

No, he's not copying a soul sadly enough 0 proof, only thing he's copied are living biological beings

 

[omegabronic]

Hellscream been missing a lot this thread but he is right that Metal needs feats of copying a soul. He also needs a soul to use the abilities.

the souls are not non biological beings seeing the soul physiology page, so he should be able to copy it, and he can copy the energy to use them no problem, he did something similar when he copied shadow after all

 

[omegabronic]

No, he's not copying a soul sadly enough 0 proof, only thing he's copied are living biological beings

so are you going to ignore and not address what i said now?

 

[Hellscream]

the souls are not non biological beings seeing the soul physiology page, so he should be able to copy it, and he can copy the energy to use them no problem, he did something similar when he copied shadow after all

stop with the NLF
He's never been shown to "biocopy" a soul, only living objects

You didn't address anything

 

[AnonymousBlank]

the souls are not non biological beings seeing the soul physiology page, so he should be able to copy it, and he can copy the energy to use them no problem, he did something similar when he copied shadow after all

Does Metal have feats of copying souls? The energy to use the abilities requires a soul. If he has no soul, he can’t use them.

 

[Hellscream]

Does Metal have feats of copying souls? The energy to use the abilities requires a soul. If he has no soul, he can’t use them.

He doesn't, they're pulling NLFs

 

[AnonymousBlank]

He doesn't, they're pulling NLFs

NLFs on this thread are nothing new my guy, you been tossing em around for 4 pages.

 

[Hellscream]

NLFs on this thread are nothing new my guy, you been tossing em around for 4 pages.

please do point them out

 

[omegabronic]

stop with the NLF
He's never been shown to "biocopy" a soul, only living objects

yes he is? yhwach is a biological being, plus the copy doesn't depend on biological aspects, he could copy omega who is an non biological being after all

also don't ignore what i said, the souls in bleach are not considered non biological beings here, if they were there would be "inorganic physiology" in the soul physiology page, there isn't, so they are considered biological beings here

You didn't address anything

i say the same to you

 

[Hellscream]

souls are inherently non biological like what are you even saying mate..

 

[omegabronic]

Does Metal have feats of copying souls? The energy to use the abilities requires a soul. If he has no soul, he can’t use them.

well souls are not considered non biological here, so he should in this case, plus it was said earlier in the thread that yhwach resists all of his hax, so metal wouldn't need to use anything really

souls are inherently non biological like what are you even saying mate..

not in bleach here since inorganic physiology is not a listed power to them

 

[AnonymousBlank]

please do point them out

I was referring to your failed attempts to claim others were committing NLFs, not that you were committing NLFs.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

well souls are not considered non biological here, so he should in this case,

So I’ll take that as no.

plus it was said earlier in the thread that yhwach resists all of his hax, so metal wouldn't need to use anything really

Who said that? Yhwach resists some of his hax but he certainly doesn’t resist everything as the reason he lost is cuz he didn’t resist one of his powers.

 

[Hellscream]

I was referring to your failed attempts to claim others were committing NLFs, not that you were committing NLFs.

Yeah well, i assumed that hax working on a character that's infinitely above another is an NLF but apparently it's not

 

[omegabronic]

So I’ll take that as no.

i would like an elaboration please

Who said that? Yhwach resists some of his hax but he certainly doesn’t resist everything as the reason he lost is cuz he didn’t resist one of his powers.

Yhwach can do the same exact thing, and yhwach resists his own hax

welp if he doesn't then thats that i guess

 

[omegabronic]

just to point out that even if metal can't copy, it doesn't matter much since he can still one shot him with boost and bfr/seal him

 

[AnonymousBlank]

i would like an elaboration please

If he has no feats of doing so, then saying he can is a baseless assumption.

just to point out that even if metal can't copy, it doesn't matter much since he can still one shot him with boost and bfr/seal him

Ooc, what’s the one shot argument exactly?

 

[omegabronic]

If he has no feats of doing so, then saying he can is a baseless assumption.

if he is still a biological being, then he should be able to

Ooc

not really, in heroes he used chaos control when he saw necessary, and here he copied sonic and shadow's abilities and fighting styles, which include using chaos control very frequently

, what’s the one shot argument exactly?

yhwach is tier 4, metal is low 2-C

 

[Smashtwig]

well souls are not considered non biological here, so he should in this case, plus it was said earlier in the thread that yhwach resists all of his hax, so metal wouldn't need to use anything really

Yeah, I don't think that's how it worked, its not so black and white binary. Just because you copy a machine doesn't mean you're just now able to copy anything that isn't flesh and blood. Can Metal copy the Sun's power of nuclear fusion and starting being his own sun- and if not why hasn't he just copied... idk, an observed supernova or smth? You gotta prove that Metal can copy Souls specifically because that's... kinda how this Wiki works- you gotta be super specific like that. And no, seriously Bleach characters are not flesh and blood

Also. Can Metal even see Souls and therefore Yhwach? (Maybe I missed it)

 

[YungManzi]

Yhwach is invisible? I thought quincy weren't?

 

[omegabronic]

Yeah, I don't think that's how it worked, its not so black and white binary. Just because you copy a machine doesn't mean you're just now able to copy anything that isn't flesh and blood. Can Metal copy the Sun's power of nuclear fusion and starting being his own sun- and if not why hasn't he just copied... idk, an observed supernova or smth? You gotta prove that Metal can copy Souls specifically because that's... kinda how this Wiki works- you gotta be super specific like that. And no, seriously Bleach characters are not flesh and blood

then why don't they have inorganic physiology?

Also. Can Metal even see Souls and therefore Yhwach? (Maybe I missed it)

extrasensory perception, he can feel yhwach, plus the homing attack that instintively attacks him in a weakspot

 

[AnonymousBlank]

if he is still a biological being, then he should be able to

So he hasn’t copied souls so why would we say he can copy them here. Basically what Smashtwig said.

not really, in heroes he used chaos control when he saw necessary, and here he copied sonic and shadow's abilities and fighting styles, which include using chaos control very frequently

Lol. The ooc meant “out of curiosity” not “out of character”. Shoulda been clearer.

yhwach is tier 4, metal is low 2-C

… its the tier 2 key? Peeps should really stick to the same tier smh.

Yhwach is invisible? I thought quincy weren't?

Normal Quincy aren’t but Yhwach been dead for a 1000 years and has only ever been made of reishi (makes him invisible) for as long as we have seen him on panel outside of one flashback prior to his original invasion of SS. Basically any Quincy in TYBW besides the Ishidas get invisibility.

then why don't they have inorganic physiology?


extrasensory perception, he can feel yhwach, plus the homing attack that instintively attacks him in a weakspot

ESP probably doesn’t work. SK Yhwach absorbed the SK who is Transcendent, stopping people who can sense souls from sensing him with their spiritual sense. Basic Transcendent > Spirit Ribbons > basic souls.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

so they touched the mech where metal sonic emerged from, literally proving my point that he needs physical touch in order to biocopy just like in this screenshot

Sonic Rivals 2 shows he doesn’t need to be anywhere near the enemy to copy their powers. It’s not a contact-based ability.

 

[Undylan]

Ghosts do also exist in Sonic’s world. I wouldn’t be surprised if Metal Sonic could potentially scan one.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.

It doesn't equalise physiology traits.

Objects having souls is Bleach exclusive. You can forcefully give souls to Metal Sonic, it's not his physiological trait.

 

[Theuser789]

Hasn't Grace ended?