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The Fate of the World (Neo Metal Sonic vs Yhwach) [13-8-1]

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For now, I'm voting for "Yhwach" here. It looks like Metal Sonic will physical attack and speed amp without using the time stop and copycat ability. (I think Metal Sonic doesn't start with a time stop and it's neutral for copycat.)
Metal Sonic does not know about Yhwachs abilitys. Metal Sonic will destroy Yhwach with his AP advantage. Yhwach will resurrect himself and along with Metal sonic absorb all of his abilities.
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Also, this match contains a lot of advantages for Metal Sonic.
Sonic have very high AP advantage, counter haxs and anti physiology.
If Metal Sonic wins or becomes incon. I don't think this should be added.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
So he hasn’t copied souls so why would we say he can copy them here. Basically what Smashtwig said.
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him being a soul is not the point, but him being an biological being, let us start with that, souls in bleach do not have inorganic physiology in the "sould physiology" page of the verse, so they are considered biological, you understood that part of my point correct?

AnonymousBlank said:
Lol. The ooc meant “out of curiosity” not “out of character”. Shoulda been clearer.
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oh.... okay sorry for the confusion lol

AnonymousBlank said:
… its the tier 2 key? Peeps should really stick to the same tier smh.
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they have no tier that is equal yet

AnonymousBlank said:
ESP probably doesn’t work. SK Yhwach absorbed the SK who is Transcendent, stopping people who can sense souls from sensing him with their spiritual sense. Basic Transcendent > Spirit Ribbons > basic souls.
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he can feel the attacks
 
neo metal sonic 11 (BEASTHEART880, Artorimachi_Meteoraft GlaceonGamez471 Dragonite007 Gilad_Hyperstar TauanVictor Maverick_Zero_X YungManzi Ikelaggan Setsuna_tenma Doggo)
yhwach 7 (Deceived3596 LaserPrecision Shmooply Smashtwig Hellscream CodeCCLL Axl233)
incon 1 (Robo)

just keeping the votes to make it easier for the op
 
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Why you all keeping the sonic votes tho? They gived a metal sonic a win, without knowing that Yhwa could bring himself back to life,teleport behind him and ooga bugaa his way with assimilation.
 
Axl233 said:
Why you all keeping the sonic votes tho? They gived a metal sonic a win, without knowing that Yhwa could bring himself back to life,teleport behind him and ooga bugaa his way with assimilation.
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all o those were accounted earlier, metal can just chaos control out of the absortion, and yhwach wouldn't be able to use his fate manipulation to bring himself back because of the acausality type 4
 
omegabronic said:
all o those were accounted earlier, metal can just chaos control out of the absortion, and yhwach wouldn't be able to use his fate manipulation to bring himself back because of the acausality type 4
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"Chaos control out"
How?if you get absorbed, you die and you becomed part of him, how is he gonna Chaos Control while dead?

"Not bring himself back because of the acausality type 4"
Thats not how type 4 works.it just gives resistence to fate manip,precog, etc.
 
Axl233 said:
"Chaos control out"
How?if you get absorbed, you die and you becomed part of him, how is he gonna Chaos Control while dead?
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yhwach absorbs power/energy, which metal infinite of and thus he would have time to get out of it, plus he can sense the attack and counter immediately

Axl233 said:
"Not bring himself back because of the acausality type 4"
Thats not how type 4 works.it just gives resistence to fate manip,precog, etc.
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yes it is, metal is in an different system of cause and effect, thus yhwach cannot change the effects that are caused by metal since he is on a different system, he wouldn't even see the future caused by metal at all for that matter
 
Axl233 said:
"Chaos control out"
How?if you get absorbed, you die and you becomed part of him, how is he gonna Chaos Control while dead?

"Not bring himself back because of the acausality type 4"
Thats not how type 4 works.it just gives resistence to fate manip,precog, etc.
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To change the fate of a type 4 killing you, you'd need to change the fate of that type 4, no?

I don't even get how you can argue this point.
 
YungManzi said:
To change the fate of a type 4 killing you, you'd need to change the fate of that type 4, no?

I don't even get how you can argue this point.
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No, he's not affecting sonic's fate at all, all of his actions still happened nobody said that.
The fact remains that yhwach himself can still manipulate the entirety of his fate, he can still change and manipulate the future when he's dead.

Sonic killing yhwach will obviously affect yhwach's causality, which he can then change and manipulate to his will.
 
omegabronic said:
yhwach absorbs power/energy, which metal infinite of and thus he would have time to get out of it, plus he can sense the attack and counter immediately


yes it is, metal is in an different system of cause and effect, thus yhwach cannot change the effects that are caused by metal since he is on a different system, he wouldn't even see the future caused by metal at all for that matter
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Yhwach's power absorption is instant, maybe you could say that absorbing his energy takes time but his power absorption is the main aspect and argument for yhwach.
 
Hellscream said:
No, he's not affecting sonic's fate at all, all of his actions still happened nobody said that.
The fact remains that yhwach himself can still manipulate the entirety of his fate, he can still change and manipulate the future when he's dead.

Sonic killing yhwach will obviously affect yhwach's causality, which he can then change and manipulate to his will.
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How do you change the fate of a type 4 killing you?

Any fate induced by the type 4 is unchangable by fate manip.
Like if a type 4 shot you with a pistol, and you have fate manipulation, do you think that you could change the action of the bullet hitting you or being fired just because you’re not directly manipulating the fate of the type 4?

That’s certainly not how we treat the power.
 
Hellscream said:
Yhwach's power absorption is instant, maybe you could say that absorbing his energy takes time but his power absorption is the main aspect and argument for yhwach.
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the energy absorption is not really useful when the oponent has infinite energy, yhwach is not absorbing all of it, nut the power absortion is something i am curious, how does it work? as in, what is the explanation in verse? like metal's powers comes from his programing, how can yhwach absorb programing?

Hellscream said:
No, he's not affecting sonic's fate at all, all of his actions still happened nobody said that.
The fact remains that yhwach himself can still manipulate the entirety of his fate, he can still change and manipulate the future when he's dead.

Sonic killing yhwach will obviously affect yhwach's causality, which he can then change and manipulate to his will.
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if all of his actions still happened, then the action of him killing yhwach will still happen no matter what, metal is in a different system of cause and effect, yhwach cannot change the effects of metal's actions
 
Sonic punches yhwach is the cause, the effect is his fist going through yhwach's body
This directly affects yhwach's own causality as for yhwach the effect on his body would be a hole being created from sonics punch.
Yhwach can change and alter the entirety of his OWN fate, therefore he can alter the effect that sonic's action made on his own body which is the hole..
The only thing yhwach cannot affect is sonic throwing the punch itself and it going through his body, but he doesn't need to change that...
he would still see the hole that's taking place on his body, which he can obviously alter.
 
Hellscream said:
Sonic punches yhwach is the cause, the effect is his fist going through yhwach's body
This directly affects yhwach's own causality as for yhwach the effect on his body would be a hole being created from sonics punch.
Yhwach can change and alter the entirety of his OWN fate, therefore he can alter the effect that sonic's action made on his own body.
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no he can't, for him to change the hole being made he needs to change the cause from happening, acausality type 4 means that metal is an different system of cause and EFFECT so he cannot change the effect(the hole made by the attack) at all since it is part of a different system

Hellscream said:
The only thing yhwach cannot affect is sonic throwing the punch itself and it going through his body, but he doesn't need to change that...
he would still see the hole that's taking place on his body, which he can obviously alter.
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no he can't, for one he would not even see said future from him to be able to change, and secondly his power is to alter the future's events and not reality warping, if he can't change the event that leads to the hole being made, then he can't change the hole at all
 
It doesn't matter whether he's part of a different system man.... it simply affects his own causality
the fact remains that the attack made by sonic affects yhwach's causality which he can manipulate.

And yhwach didn't change the events of him being killed, he was for a fact still killed he simply stated that he can still rewrite the future even when he's already dead.
 
Hellscream said:
It doesn't matter whether he's part of a different system man.... it simply affects his own causality
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which is cause and effect, which means that yhwach cannot change the events, aka causes(metals attacks) and effects(metal making a hole in his body or simply destroying his body) of metal's actions, so he cannot manipulate fate to stop himm from dying, he will not even see himself dying at all

Hellscream said:
the fact remains that the attack made by sonic affects yhwach's causality which he can manipulate.
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so? if he cannot manipulate metal's then he cannot change the future where he is dead since that is an effect from metal's actions

Hellscream said:
And yhwach didn't change the events of him being killed, he was for a fact still killed he simply stated that he can still rewrite the future even when he's already dead.
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him being killed is an effect caused by metal, so he cannot change it since it is tied to metals own system of cause and effect
 
can you provide me the threads where you're getting this info from?

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

this grants them resistance how exactly does this affect yhwach's own causality? Sonic is the one with an irregular system of cause and effect, not yhwach.
Yhwach's causality still gets affected and changed just fine. The effect is sonic affecting Yhwach's causality which Yhwach can change.
This literally just means that yhwach can't affect sonic at all with his fate manipulation. Nowhere does it state that beings with acausality also alter the causality of the beings that are affected by it. Those said beings are still tied and affected by it.

The hole that's in yhwach's body is still within his own sphere of causality.
 
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Acasuality is getting giga wanked here, idk why it would negate Yhwach using almighty on himself to ressurect despite the fact that metal sonic has never showed feats of his attack negating fate based ressurection, type 4 only gives resistence to fate manip and casuality and nothing more.Plus he has mid-godly in his profile.
 
Axl233 said:
Acasuality is getting giga wanked here, idk why it would negate Yhwach using almighty on himself to ressurect despite the fact that metal sonic has never showed feats of his attack negating fate based ressurection, type 4 only gives resistence to fate manip and casuality and nothing more.Plus he has mid-godly in his profile.
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This is yhwach without his sternritter abilities the mid and high godly regen come from his sternritter abilities, otherwise it's a stomp
 
If Grace did end, then the match should be added. If anyone has any problems with it they can just ask it to be removed
 
except for that every character in bleach has reiatsu and that reiatsu crush is one of the most common abilities, and that this yhwach is way stronger than that version of aizen which means his reiatsu is obviously higher as that's the source of their power meaning his reiatsu crush in this stage is even more potent than Aizen's back then
 
Axl233 said:
Acasuality is getting giga wanked here, idk why it would negate Yhwach using almighty on himself to ressurect despite the fact that metal sonic has never showed feats of his attack negating fate based ressurection, type 4 only gives resistence to fate manip and casuality and nothing more.Plus he has mid-godly in his profile.
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For Fate based resurrection to work here, you would need to change the affect of a type 4’s actions.

which in itself is giga wank.
 
Hellscream said:
except for that every character in bleach has reiatsu and that reiatsu crush is one of the most common abilities, and that this yhwach is way stronger than that version of aizen
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Nop, Yhwach has EE just via Yamamoto's Bankai. Just Aizen has his Soul Crush EE.

So, no Yhwach can't soul crush Sonic
 
Honestly we should make this type 4 vs fate it’s own thread. Can you undo the effects of a type 4s actions with fate without affect the character themselves
 
YungManzi said:
For Fate based resurrection to work here, you would need to change the affect of a type 4’s actions.

which in itself is giga wank.
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No he doesn't lol

Like i said before
The hole being made in yhwach's body happens within his own sphere of causality which he can change.
 
Hellscream said:
Actually i forgot soul crush can affect inanimate objects
Reiatsu crush GG?

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so now mecha sonic.. a robot.. no soul.. now he is affected by something that destroys your soul?.. just because bleach verse does this?.

literally someone said that physiology can't be matched a few pages back... why are you bringing this up?

not that i care about sonic or bleach but... you are posting something that was already argued.
 
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