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Introduction
The topic of Infinite Zamasu's tier has been stuck on my mind for a week or so at this point, and I have been attempting to figure out why this feat was considered Low 2-C but not Goku and Beerus' feat from the Battle of Gods Saga was not because, y'know, I'm a loser.And, it has just come to me that he does not qualify for that rating.
Keep this in mind.
Arguments
#1. Zamasu did not (completely) merge with the universe
Nothing in the original scene or the dialogue in said scene suggests that Zamasu took over the entire universe yet.
Original Japanese | English Translation (DeepL) |
|---|---|
| トランクスの剣により真っ二つに引き裂かれたザマスは、半狂乱になり、わめき散らしながら砕け散った。ついにやった。トランクスたちは喜びを噛みしめていた。と、その時、突如、地鳴りとともに不気味な気の奔流が空へ噴きあがる。そこには、ザマスの顔が無数に浮かび上がり、笑い声を響かせながら拡がって空を覆う。悟空たちは気弾を放ち攻撃するも、全く歯が立たない。逆に、空からエネルギー波が激しく降り注ぎ、街を跡形もなく消し去っていく。絶望的な状況の中、悟空は自分の懐の中に何かが入っていることに気づく。 | Torn in half by Trunks' sword, Zamasu went half-crazy, ranting and raving as he shattered. He had finally done it. Trunks and the others were biting back their joy. Then, suddenly, with a rumbling of the earth, an eerie rush of energy erupted into the sky. There, Zamasu's face appeared in countless numbers, spreading out and covering the sky with his laughing voice. Goku and the others attacked with chi bullets, but they were completely helpless. On the contrary, energy waves poured down from the sky, wiping out the city without a trace. In the midst of the desperate situation, Goku realizes that there is something in his pocket. |
Nothing in this scene suggests as such other. We still see Zamasu attempting to extend his presence, but nothing suggests he has merged with the universe.
Zamasu dominated the planet Earth, spreading out and engulfing the skies with his being, and then his presence began to spread out into space. However, never is it later shown or stated that Zamasu managed to merge with the universe. That was his intention, according to Gowasu, but nothing in any episode or any website or any artbook confirms whether or not he accomplished it.
"If Zamasu had not merged with the universe, why would Zen-Oh have erased it?"
Good question, but there is one bit you kind of left out. Zen-Oh did not swoop in and just erase Universe 7 before leaving. No, he erased the entire timeline.
Zen-Oh was already annoyed by Zamasu (see left) and on top of that, Goku -- someone he does not know because this is the future timeline -- randomly pulled him away from whatever activity he was doing to take care of Zamasu. It has already been established that Zen-Oh has a very short temper; in the past, he erased six universes because he was in an "unpleasant mood", and Whis has stated before that he could and would end up erasing everything from existence if he ever got sour. Him erasing the entire future Multiverse because he was ticked off by Zamasu is just par for the course with Zen-Oh.
"Gowasu stated that Zamasu was attempting to become justice and order which suggests that Zamasu was becoming the entire universe."
Regardless of whether or not he planned to do it, nothing confirms that he did do it. Also, what?
#2. Zamasu's little face bubble is not enough
Time travelling in Dragon Ball is not at all like time travelling in Back to the Future or something. Time flows in one direction in Dragon Ball, and no matter what, that timeline keeps on trucking. Should one go back in time under any capacity and change anything, a whole new parallel world would be created, branching off of the original world's timeline. These are just alternate universes, akin to different Earths in DC Comics. You are never truly going back in time unless you have an ability like Whis' Temporal Do-Over and even then, he is rarely allowed to use it and can only go back as far as five minutes.
For example, in the original Dragon Ball, Future Trunks used a time machine his mother Bulma built in order to travel back in time by seventeen years after his world was ravished by the villainous and unstoppable Androids. However, rather than actually travelling back in time, he actually travelled to an alternate dimension where our main cast lives. By going "back in time" and saving Goku's life by giving him the cure to his eventual deadly virus, Trunks altered the future of this world, allowing the main cast to live happily ever after... after Cell was dealt with. But, nothing in his world changed, because the two, while related, are not the same worlds. The present timeline is not the actual past version of Future Trunks' timeline and as a result, nothing in that timeline affects his own.
Hell, the Supreme Kai are capable of travelling through timelines with their teleportation ability, Kai Kai.
Infinite Zamasu appearing in the present timeline is no more than a Dimensional Travel feat. Besides, he travelled through a warp in time to get there. Impressive on its own, but this means nothing in the context of a Low 2-C rating, especially considering Zamasu had not even merged with the future universe yet, nor did he significantly affect anything time-related in any of the timelines. That is the make-it-or-brake-it keyword: "significantly". In order to qualify for Low 2-C this way, you would have to significantly affect both the spatial and temporal axis.
"Beerus said Zamasu was affecting the past, though."
This comment is being taken way too literally. Beerus does not even know what this "something" is. This is just saying, "They ****** up over there, and now we have to suffer from it" without saying, "They ****** up over there, and now we have to suffer from it".
Beerus did not state that Zamasu was literally affecting the present's temporal axis. He was just expressing concern over the now-dire situation.
And again, it was not very significant either.
#3. There is no third argument.
Conclusions
Infinite Zamasu did not significantly affect any universal-sized spacetime continua, or an "area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space", and as a result, he is being downgraded back to 3-A, with a "possibly higher over time".Everyone who is Low 2-C by scaling off of Infinite Zamasu will be downgraded to 3-A.
This includes:
- Everybody from the Tournament of Power who is not Ultra Instinct Goku and Jiren
- Everybody from the Broly movie who is not Beerus or stronger
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