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The End of a Zamasu-flavored Era (Low 2-C CRT)
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also yeah hard disagree, I find akm's logic to make sense, and the logic of the crt is relatively weak because of it
Nullflowerblush
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The private instructor only goes over parallel worlds in the manga.
Gowasu claimed that Zamasu might have been trying to become the universe. Of course, the timeline provided by Toei later confirms that this was indeed was his goal but in-universe, Gowasu himself was not even sure. Using him as a reference in general just seems a bit shotty.
The timeline that Toei provided also never confirmed whether or not Zamasu fused with the universe.
They just stated that he was in the process of assimilating it into himself.
Whether or not it is "redundant writing", nothing confirms that Zamasu managed to completely take over the universe.
Also,
- Why would Goku call Zen-Oh in hopes of getting him to erase Zamasu if Zamasu had already become the universe? Goku is not an idiot, and he would have realized that if Zamasu came through and actually did became the universe, and Zen-Oh erased Zamasu, he would erase the universe. He called Zen-Oh regardless.
- When Zamasu assimilated the planet into himself, his essence engulfed the skies, causing the clouds to become green and plastering his face all over the Earth. If Zamasu completely assimilated the universe, would the same not apply to that? The background of the cosmos was unaffected.
His faces were in the same place they were when Gowasu originally made the statement.
Was Zamasu merged with the universe from the start?
I concede to that point.
But, what does this have to do with affecting space-time?
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Ok but we don't even a proof for him merging with time tho. We saw just physical space and nothing else.
Plus what said above.
Nullflowerblush
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I took a peak at the artbook to see if I could find anything interesting, but that only mentioned him taking over the Earth.
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the justifications on his profile seem to show blatant evidence that he was taking over the universe
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It’s evidently not blatant, as OP is contesting that evidence
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hmmmm
oh, that translation thing
how can we confirm which one is more reliable then?
oh, that translation thing
how can we confirm which one is more reliable then?
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wait, I was mistaken
apparently the translation thing had nothing to do with the universe statement. So that was correct, and we know and agree that eventually he would have completely became the universe. So how is it even debatable? Also, if time travel is just parallel multiverses in db, then wouldn't zamasu still be be low 2-C because of the fact that each universe is a different spacetime, and therfore so would a parallel universe 7?
apparently the translation thing had nothing to do with the universe statement. So that was correct, and we know and agree that eventually he would have completely became the universe. So how is it even debatable? Also, if time travel is just parallel multiverses in db, then wouldn't zamasu still be be low 2-C because of the fact that each universe is a different spacetime, and therfore so would a parallel universe 7?
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Keep in mind that he said that only in the very beginning when Zamasu did not even take over the Earth yet. In the very next statement of being justice and order (which won't be possible by just taking over the Earth as opposed to the universe), he said it with surety which shows that he was confident in his own analysis. Gowasu's analysis was proved to be true when Zamasu started spreading away from the Earth as well.
Goku also knew Zeno could destroy multiple universes just because he got annoyed a little, he still called him. So yes, according to your logic, Goku is an idiot. Or maybe, Goku was just trying a last resort because there was nothing else to do. Maybe Goku was being sane and hoping for Zeno to finish off Zamasu in some way without destroying everything else.
When Zamasu started spreading in the sky, his faces were green. But when Zamasu started spreading in space, his faces were red. Different visual effects were used for spreading too.
When Gowasu made that statement, Zamasu hadn't even covered the Earth, and the face was the sky face, not the space face. He started spreading through the universe a few minutes after that where he was shown spreading continuously through space. After that when we see a shot of space, he was no longer spreading.
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It's implied that Zamasu finished merging with the universe when his face covered all the sky and he stopped expanding and then started attacking and also that he started appearing in different timelines which implies he already finished with the one he's in.
Zamasu affected space time is undeniable since he still appeared in the present timeline, this was through his own power and not some kind of time ring or dimensional travel, meaning merging with the universe = merging with space time.
And for the first time, I am in agreement with AKM sama, his logic is sound.
Zamasu affected space time is undeniable since he still appeared in the present timeline, this was through his own power and not some kind of time ring or dimensional travel, meaning merging with the universe = merging with space time.
And for the first time, I am in agreement with AKM sama, his logic is sound.
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also
this thread, even if it were completely solid logic wise, still fails to eliminate the possibility of a "3-A, possibly low 2-C" option as well
this thread, even if it were completely solid logic wise, still fails to eliminate the possibility of a "3-A, possibly low 2-C" option as well
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It would, tho. Zamasu fully becoming the universe automatically makes him Low 2C unless he had some anti-feats
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Especially when said time ring was destroyed, meaning Zamasu had no other means of time travel.
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Unless its an official source, we really shouldn't be using other wikis as sources.
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I believe this interpretation stems from the logic "well since Zeno destroyed the entire multiverse, that must mean Zamasu fused with the multiverse. Why else would Zeno destroy the entire multiverse, he isn't evil or stupid", which fails to understand that Zeno has destroyed multiple universes over minor annoyance. Zeno also had no way of knowing that Zamasu in fact fused with the entire multiverse, even if that were to be the case, so that logic doesn't really fit.
Zamasu becoming the multiverse is an unfounded assumption with nothing substantial backing such a big claim.
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This makes sense, but I think we can assume that he at least became a universe, tho that might also be somewhat iffy
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I mean, I do think he did. The show gave us a direct statement of it.
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this makes my brain hurt so maybe
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Can we even prove Zamasu’s AP increased from his ugly form to IZ?
This whole feat seems like a change of existence, and nothing indicates he got stronger.
didnt blue Goku imply with a sensu bean he’d beat his ass? I highly doubt a sensu bean is a 3-A to low 2-C jump.
I think the feat should grant 4D HDE and nigh-omnipresence at most. The whole idea he got stronger makes 0 sense IMO.
This whole feat seems like a change of existence, and nothing indicates he got stronger.
didnt blue Goku imply with a sensu bean he’d beat his ass? I highly doubt a sensu bean is a 3-A to low 2-C jump.
I think the feat should grant 4D HDE and nigh-omnipresence at most. The whole idea he got stronger makes 0 sense IMO.
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He said that he might be able to do something, he was clueless about how powerful Zamasu was at the time
He did go from 3-A to Low 2-C between his fight with Toppo and the Tournament
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You’re assuming goku was 3-A in the first place
He’d just be an extremely weakened low 2-C perhaps, and iirc they still held back one of his attacks so
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Yeah but a sensu bean takes you to your peak, it doesn’t make you stronger.
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zenkais exist
Hasty12345
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I’m not assuming anything, upgrade pre FT arc Goku to low 2-C if you think he was that strong prior to IZ.
Hasty12345
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It’s crazy you’d accept that a zenkai is an aleph 1 jump in power before accepting Zamasu didn’t get stronger AP wise….
you’re also better off arguing Goku didn’t know how strong IZ was than arguing Goku scales to IZ.
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Well I mean it’s
it’s an assumption by definition but alright
Also saying that infinite zamasu isn’t stronger than normal zamasu implies that goku with a senzu actually could fight with it so
EmilioRory10
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If training for like a day is an aleph 1 jump and zenkais are usually better than short trainings in DB then I don't see why not.
I know, and I was also arguing that
Hasty12345
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No, the profile has Goku at 3-A. Upgrade Goku to low 2-C pre-IZ if you want to make this point.
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I was literally just using your own points bro
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Wait a minute this is the wrong thread for arguing goku low 2-C
Man things get confusing when 2 of these are open simultaneously in my notifs
Man things get confusing when 2 of these are open simultaneously in my notifs
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Now this is just embarrassing
Hasty12345
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You’re scaling backwards, you’re not using my own points.
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Idk man now I’m just confused
I feel like I’m onto something somehow though
What were we talking about again?
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Oh wait I remember
So we all agree that infinite zamasu is low 2-C in size right?
So we all agree that infinite zamasu is low 2-C in size right?
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