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You're saying that Akainu used Haki even though he said his Fruit has the ability to consume the flames of the Mera-MeraThe Calaca said:
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The Death of Portgas D. Ace
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Logias don't cancel each other's intangibility, so either Akainu or Ace should have used Haki to interact with each other.
Akainu said that his magma is superior, but it doesn't mean he can negate his intangibility through magma as that's not stated.
Akainu said that his magma is superior, but it doesn't mean he can negate his intangibility through magma as that's not stated.
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The Calaca said:
Translation:Only for being a Logia...You don't think that it's being too much careless You are only "fire"...I,on the other hand,am magma,with the power to consume even fire itself
Ace Death
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Proves nothing. We already know the Magu > Mera. I told you the SBS.
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The SBS that tells the fruits that advantages over others?
You guys are so focused on AP stomps you never think about Hax stomps
You guys are so focused on AP stomps you never think about Hax stomps
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Because the hax you're arguing it's not related to the DF.
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Yes,yes
Look,the fruit burned straight through Ace even though it shouldn't
What other thing desconfirms?
Look,the fruit burned straight through Ace even though it shouldn't
What other thing desconfirms?
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Because the Magu is superior to the Mera.
Fire gets smothered by magma. As simple as that.
At this point I don't know what are you trying to get here.
Fire gets smothered by magma. As simple as that.
At this point I don't know what are you trying to get here.
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.......The Calaca said:
Can...i hear that.....again?
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The Prince of Counters said:
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Oh yeahThe Calaca said:
Magma
A thick substance
You know how this substance is created?
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Melting stone.
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Magma can deprive fire of it's oxygen and smoother said fire. This is common sense, basic science and somethig that's even noted in the profile. Fire is intangible but once you pour a thick substance such as molten rock it'll put out said fire.
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What it's the one thing fire needs?The Prince of Counters said:
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Oxygen, which can't quite happen whenever there's a thick substance putting over the flames. What point of being able to smother fire thus depriving it of oxygen aren't you understanding mate? You seriously might want to take a crash course regarding science in general.
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-OxygenThe Prince of Counters said:
-Substance
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The ? is the thing i want focus and it based on substance
Also are you calling me dumb?
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.... I quite literally can't explain it to you in any other way, what exactly here aren't you understanding mate? I've been repeating myself for the enitre thread only for you to continue. Any thick, heavy substance is gonna be able to smother fire. Again this is basic science that you continue to ignore. And no, far from that but it does seem that you aren't understanding what I'm saying here so that's a genuine suggestion.
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Okay my sir i'm saying to all of you so clean your ears of any mess it may haveThe Prince of Counters said:
(BREATHES IN)
MAGMA IS A MOLTEN ROCK AND CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED BY EXTREME TEMPERATURES SO WHEN IT ENTER CONTACT WITH FIRE,IT WILL SMOTHER,YES,BUT ALSO FUEL PART OF IT
FURTHERMORE,FIRE IS A REGENERATIVE FORM OF ENERGY SO MAGMA WON'T STOP IT'S BURNING
(breathes out)
So that was it
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Eh, not necessarily. If it gets smothed it means the oxygen isn't there. Without oxygen to burn, fire can't happen.
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Okay
Yeah,that makes sense
But wait,i have a retort
Logia users can create more of their element,right?
AND they can regenerate,right?
So when Akainu pierced Ace,he should have attacked Akainu without a problem
Yeah,that makes sense
But wait,i have a retort
Logia users can create more of their element,right?
AND they can regenerate,right?
So when Akainu pierced Ace,he should have attacked Akainu without a problem
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Off topic: Shouldn't Kizaru in his Logia form be outright immune to Matter Manipulation? Iirc light has no matter which would make matter manipulation useless.
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Except that Ace is inferior to Akainu, so no, he couldn't.
Akainu has facility for piercing bodies, has the elemental advantage and Haki to negate the intangibility. Ace couldn't counter that.
Akainu has facility for piercing bodies, has the elemental advantage and Haki to negate the intangibility. Ace couldn't counter that.
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Ok let's work with comparisons
Let's create two characters with resistance to heat-One physical and One metaphysical
What you are saying is that the Mera and Magu relation is a physical resistance
What i am saying is that the Mera and Magu relation is a metaphysical resistance
Who do you think got support by Akainu words in the manga?
Let's create two characters with resistance to heat-One physical and One metaphysical
What you are saying is that the Mera and Magu relation is a physical resistance
What i am saying is that the Mera and Magu relation is a metaphysical resistance
Who do you think got support by Akainu words in the manga?
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What the hell are you talking about?
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Basically Ace has a hax resistance since he is fire. This is different from someone like Whitebeard who can resist heat with his durabilityThe Calaca said:
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Fire isn't hax.
Ace already has that resistance as well.
Ace already has that resistance as well.
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> AND they can regenerate,right?
Logia's don't technically regenerate. They just normally bypass conventional damage with their intangibility.
Logia's don't technically regenerate. They just normally bypass conventional damage with their intangibility.
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(sighs)
Okay,let's go through that one more time
Magma>Fire because Magma can smother flames right?
Except,there is a problem
The only way to smother a flame completely is to cover her Whole
If this doens't happen,the fire can proceed
Let's go through Ace death again
Akainu made a hole in him,it was fatal,and he died
Except,with the knowledge we have,he should have withstanded and created more of his Logia body to cover the damage
The only way for that hole to be permanent was to Negate Ace Fire Intangibility which is supported by Akainu words of "My magma can consume your Flames"
That's is one of my last defenses
Okay,let's go through that one more time
Magma>Fire because Magma can smother flames right?
Except,there is a problem
The only way to smother a flame completely is to cover her Whole
If this doens't happen,the fire can proceed
Let's go through Ace death again
Akainu made a hole in him,it was fatal,and he died
Except,with the knowledge we have,he should have withstanded and created more of his Logia body to cover the damage
The only way for that hole to be permanent was to Negate Ace Fire Intangibility which is supported by Akainu words of "My magma can consume your Flames"
That's is one of my last defenses
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> Except,with the knowledge we have,he should have withstanded and created more of his Logia body to cover the damage
That's not how Logias work.
That's not how Logias work.
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"A Logia user, when in their elemental form, can be shattered, split, or otherwise separated into multiple parts, sometimes down to the size of dust, and reform their bodies without injury, making them immune to dangers that would normally hurt or kill a regular human, or even Paramecia and Zoan users."Damage3245 said:
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Except if a Logia actually takes damage, then they cannot repair that damage.
If Akainu surpassed Ace's resistance to heat (which we know he did since he explicitly said his attacks were hotter than Ace's), then he would have damaged Ace's true self. In which case being a Logia would do nothing for him.
If Akainu surpassed Ace's resistance to heat (which we know he did since he explicitly said his attacks were hotter than Ace's), then he would have damaged Ace's true self. In which case being a Logia would do nothing for him.
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SupremeGilgamesh said:
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Can i post some final defenses before though?
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Look let's go through Logias again
They allow the user to create,control and become a natural element
When they turn into a element,they gain Elemental Intangibility which uses of Regenerationn to work
Now let's look at Ace
His power is the Mera Mera no Mi(Litellary Meaning:Burning Burning Fruit)or the Fire Fire Fruit which allows him to become Fire
Fire is from the fourth state of matter,Plasma which has energy on it meaning Ace must have High Regenerationn
The only way to Ace to be pierced in this state is to be able to touch energy which falls on Intangibility
And...
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Look,what i am trying to say is following the statement of Akainu of Consuming Flames,Fourth State of Matter and Elemental Intangibility,it's just makes sense
They allow the user to create,control and become a natural element
When they turn into a element,they gain Elemental Intangibility which uses of Regenerationn to work
Now let's look at Ace
His power is the Mera Mera no Mi(Litellary Meaning:Burning Burning Fruit)or the Fire Fire Fruit which allows him to become Fire
Fire is from the fourth state of matter,Plasma which has energy on it meaning Ace must have High Regenerationn
The only way to Ace to be pierced in this state is to be able to touch energy which falls on Intangibility
And...
sighs...
Look,what i am trying to say is following the statement of Akainu of Consuming Flames,Fourth State of Matter and Elemental Intangibility,it's just makes sense
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As far as final defenses go, I don't think that was a good one. I'm not convinced and I think that this would be better off being closed now as both Calaca and myself have rejected this.
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None of that overwrites the fact that Akainu has Haki to do that.
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Did he say he used though?
