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Given what Stephen, the most knowledgeable person on the matter, has said, I would extent that to the axiom
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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You would rely on a mistranslation to extend it to the axiom?
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You say that as if Ultima has a reputation for being ultra-strict in regards to high-tier beings.
lol
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I've seen Ultima outrightly deny several high tiers from reaching a certain level. Heck, even he used to disagree with the Root reaching High 1A before he became enlightened.
That reminds me our lord and saviour, Deagonx, would be here to definitely "help" Nasuverse reach tier 0. Man I really forgot he still existed. How am I gonna keep my sanity once the tier 0 Root thread releases?
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He kind of is? I mean he outright denied Tier 0 for one of the verses he actively reps and favors
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See I have nothing to add, but I am very strict myself when it comes to tiering and I can say Ultima is on my level of strictness, if not above. It's just I'm right and he's wrong in most things we argue over.
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Didn't expect that to be controversial, even he agreed with it xd
All evaluating staff for these high-tier things land within a certain range of not being completely insane. Out of the ~15 regular evaluating staff for high tiers we've had over the last ~7 years, I think he's in the 20% least-strict.
In comparison to some battleboarders sure he's strict. But things like "He's rejected a few upgrade attempts!" and "He once rejected a tier 0 upgrade for a verse he liked!" aren't special, they're basic sanity checks.
All evaluating staff for these high-tier things land within a certain range of not being completely insane. Out of the ~15 regular evaluating staff for high tiers we've had over the last ~7 years, I think he's in the 20% least-strict.
In comparison to some battleboarders sure he's strict. But things like "He's rejected a few upgrade attempts!" and "He once rejected a tier 0 upgrade for a verse he liked!" aren't special, they're basic sanity checks.
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Is there a possibility that there will be a change effect in Transformers?
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Agnaa we all know you're pulling random numbers. Ultima qualitatively answered your question pretty well in the previous discussion thread. He won fair and triangle let him have the lemonlight.
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transformers should be like High 1-B+
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Transformers is probably like, 1-A given singularity Ablyss
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Transformers could've been tier 0, if they posited their shit correctly. They were actually cooking with Ein Sof, but it has composition so its not Tier 0
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How well is Ein Sof described? Ultimate consider Ein Sof 0 but you gotta have some basis and not randomly invoke names especially if it's not fitting the idea that Ein Sof isn't the most powerful thing in their verse.
If you have scans I would love to check them.
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What is bro yapping about
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If this is how it's being described then 0 can be in a discussion.
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Ultima himself said I have qualitative superiority over him thus anything I say supersedes his words. So if I say no, then I'm automatically right and he's wrong. Again, not my words, his.
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Basic context here is that the character is traversing the tree of life, and is reaching the crown, highest point in the kabbalah, uniting with the source of all beings
But as I said, the verse posits it incorrectiy as it has spatial properties and composition
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Yeah, if it does have properties and composition then it most likely won't qualify.
But as I said, the verse posits it incorrectiy as it has spatial properties and composition
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It is wild to me that anyone thinks this.
Right, by this metric "ultra-strict" can basically be used to describe anyone who does not blindly rubber stamp any and all upgrades.
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If you're not approving every upgrade under the Sun, then clearly you're strict 
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Tell me Deagon, what verse do you even like? Is there any verse where you're willing to let even the slightest bit of anti-feat slide for an upgrade? Like I've never seen you agree to any upgrade ever and you only make downgrade crts. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. Just curious.
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I mean, I do think it's normal to allow a lil bit if bias for your fav verse when it comes to extremely minor antifeats that could be dismissed. Maybe It's just me.
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I was joking earlier about Ultima being strict. However, clearly, when anti-feats are there can be discussion made for those rather than berate Ultima as someone whose lenient. That just gives off the wrong impression that he's an easy person to sway, which may come off as the wrong rub to some people. So I rather, go with having a little bias and less prejudice toward the source material than this notion of being concretely strict with everything that goes nowhere. That's my two cents.
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Really it just comes down to personal scaling philosophies imo. Like at the end of the day, powerscaling is supposed to be - get this - fun
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This is really ironic because of the portion of people who believe in the doctrine of “strictness” that a little sway would be ultimately a catalyst to them. So they just take the fun out of power scaling because they think everything needs to be reviewed down to the nook and cranny.
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I mean people find enjoyment in striving for what they believe to be the most accurate versions of these characters' stats and abilities. But obviously, yeah, it becomes a drag when it gets to the point of taking the fun out of it
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I mean it goes both ways especially if we're being too open to giving ratings that are not supported by source material. However, there are some clear, for lack of better words, “party poopers” in the scaling community. nudge nudge Agnaa.
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I'm a big fan of DC, I'm also a big fan of Type-Moon and Re:Zero.
Antifeats rarely are what drive a downgrade. Most often it's that the reasoning for the upgrade was bad or the evidence doesn't actually say what it's made out to say in the profiles.
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You clearly haven't read my dissertation on which fictional vampires would regenerate from circumcision.
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Well? Which ones?
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Ultima: Ignores my blatant attempts to defend his reputation.
Also Ultima: Wants to know if vampires can regenerate from circumcision.
Also Ultima: Wants to know if vampires can regenerate from circumcision.
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Depends on what type of blade is used to cut the foreskin.
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Regeneration from circumcision is a matter of utmost importance, Toddler
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9-B at best
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