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Didn't even know bro had a cult, I assumed it the Arcueid cult would be the ones pushing some agenda
How does that follow
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Not exactly. The absolutus(what Ultima believes to be Tier 0) are all-encompassing, but you wouldnt scale to the totality of something that encompasses you.
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the root not being tier 0/being tier 0 was discussed here
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
Beside, Ultima didn’t address Monad as a universal concept (that has been discussed in the past by a certain few people in the metaphysics field anyway). Yap Expansion: Malevolent Ramble.
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everyone uses the force
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Yeah the further you are as an emanation of something that is Tier 0 despite it being indivisible, the lower you are ontologically.
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But the degree at which they use it or have access to it depends, it's just like how everything is a part of the ultimate reality but that is not to say it's identical to the ultimate reality.
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tier 0 beings are indivisible right? So any use of their powers that aren't tier 0 would be a contradiction to that being being(?) tier 0
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By the same line of reasoning, any existence with autonomy is inherently a contradiction to Tier 0.
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Brother christ this is so bad
Nope, I don't know if emanationism is used for Tier 0 but supposing it is.
Everything is a weaker reflection of the totality of the ultimate reality, the analogy of the sun illuminating what it does is the easiest example for this. Everything receives the light of the ultimate reality, albeit it can depend to what extent are you closer to being a direct emanation of the ultimate reality.
An example of this is the distinction between magecraft and magic in the nasuverse, whereby magic is a direct emanation of the Swirl of the root but magecraft isn't but in the grand scheme of things they're all emanations of the same ultimate reality.
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It's hard to explain unless I go on a full on yap session but I'm too lazy for that
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I feel like the only appropriate response to this is "touch grass", but I appreciate you took the time to explain it.
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Don't worry, touching grass helped me one accolades for playing football but you're welcome.
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Hahahhaahah good stuff
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Why would you take Aoko's explanation over Shiki's?
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Hello as this is HammerStrikes219, formerly known as Starkiller 215. I am here to address certain issues regarding the Cosmology of the rather complicated Nasuverse due to misconceptions and differing interpretations being shown as the continuity of the Nasuverse will also been addressed. Un...docs.google.com
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Aoko: Huh, I didn't say? To get revenge on me and to touch the Root. You remember that talk about the Whirl of the Root, don't you?
Soujuurou: ....Was that the source of magecraft?
Aoko: Yes, and also our final objective. The Whirl of the Root is position where all knowledge is recorded, and all things are determined. If you can look, touch, understand it, even the word "impossible" can be remade. It has many names in legends, but it's basically the position where God is.
Soujuurou: By God, you don't mean the 8 million kami?
Aoko: It's because you say things like that sometimes that makes you troublesome. I mean, there are gods in every form, but I’m talking about the big underlying assumption that decided that.”
That is the quote from a novel named Mahoutsukai No Yoru
I added it to my outdated cosmology blog back then since it did seems important to take notes related to the Root and all
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Dante Divine Comedy, Cthulhu Mythos.
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Divine Comedy draws on Christian doctorines, so its kind of a given
Dk on Ctulhu Mythos, seems a bit inconsistent at times. Especially the continuity
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Indeed.
No, not really. Azathoth is the dreamer, don't take that quote about Yog-Sothoth being in a higher realm or beyond Azathoth fool you. It's not actually what it means.
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I'm pretty sure Aoko saying "position where God is" is only a metaphor. Shiki Ryougi is the only person to experience the Swirl of the root and she just calls it nothingness.
In that same explanation Aoko gives, she says she doesn't know what happens to people who touch it because they never come back and ends up only making hypotheticals as an explanation.
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This is what I meant by inconsistent
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The general quote itself just uses the swirl as a general term for what theology labels as god, not literally god itself from what im seeing
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What? Aint no way bro was yapping the entire timethe root not being tier 0/being tier 0 was discussed here
The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
Beside, Ultima didn’t address Monad as a universal concept (that has been discussed in the past by a certain few people in the metaphysics field anyway). Yap Expansion: Malevolent Ramble.
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The sacred palace was made through the power of ll Ilah a higher being and Solomon another higher being gave Ugo the ability to manipulate ll Ilah's power.
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Probably not because she goes on to say there's no evidence for Gods actually being there in plural, but this is what happens when you don't read the evidence you use to infer something, besides Ryougi who actually experiences the root says it's nothing.
The Good, the bad, the nasuverse fandom.What? Aint no way bro was yapping the entire time
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Shin Megami Tensei/Personaverse won't be tier 0?
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God knows
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Nah. The Great Reason being able to be surpassed is kinda consistent in Persona and Shin Megami Tensei.
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consistent how?
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In Persona (Persona 2 I think) it's said in some form humanity has the potential to surpass the collective unconsciousness as well.
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This was never outright stated. Loosely implied by Philemon and Nyarlathotep being the embodiments of it and being surpassable, but thats about it.
Dont think I have to explain that it doesnt extend to the axiom
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Given what Stephen, the most knowledgeable person on the matter, has said, I would extent that to the axiom
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You would rely on a mistranslation to extend it to the axiom?
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I've seen Ultima outrightly deny several high tiers from reaching a certain level. Heck, even he used to disagree with the Root reaching High 1A before he became enlightened.
That reminds me our lord and saviour, Deagonx, would be here to definitely "help" Nasuverse reach tier 0. Man I really forgot he still existed. How am I gonna keep my sanity once the tier 0 Root thread releases?
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He kind of is? I mean he outright denied Tier 0 for one of the verses he actively reps and favors
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See I have nothing to add, but I am very strict myself when it comes to tiering and I can say Ultima is on my level of strictness, if not above. It's just I'm right and he's wrong in most things we argue over.
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Didn't expect that to be controversial, even he agreed with it xd
All evaluating staff for these high-tier things land within a certain range of not being completely insane. Out of the ~15 regular evaluating staff for high tiers we've had over the last ~7 years, I think he's in the 20% least-strict.
In comparison to some battleboarders sure he's strict. But things like "He's rejected a few upgrade attempts!" and "He once rejected a tier 0 upgrade for a verse he liked!" aren't special, they're basic sanity checks.
All evaluating staff for these high-tier things land within a certain range of not being completely insane. Out of the ~15 regular evaluating staff for high tiers we've had over the last ~7 years, I think he's in the 20% least-strict.
In comparison to some battleboarders sure he's strict. But things like "He's rejected a few upgrade attempts!" and "He once rejected a tier 0 upgrade for a verse he liked!" aren't special, they're basic sanity checks.
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